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To think MIL shouldn't have said this

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rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 01/06/2025 13:24

13 year old daughter just showed MIL a new dress she bought for a family wedding (strappy floral New Look thing).

MIL said she liked it but then said "you need to make sure you don't wear clothes like that when walking outside as men might harass you or worse".

Aside from the fact that she isn't likely to be walking around in public in said dress, I'm really not happy with MIL implying my daughter is responsible for men's behaviour. I can still remember having this said to me as a teen and how uncomfortable it made me feel. I also remember being catcalled by men on the street - never in party clothes but more than often than not in my frumpy school uniform or a tracksuit.

I asked my husband to have a word, but he said there was no point and 'that's just the way her generation think'. AIBU to think that's a massive cop out?

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Autumn38 · 03/06/2025 09:57

thepariscrimefiles · 01/06/2025 13:29

I don't agree with policing women's clothes because men can't control themselves. Women and girls should be able to wear what they want without having to factor in the reactions of inadequate men.

Yes they should be. And I agree with you. Except when it comes to my own daughter, who I will do anything to protect, including saying a version of what OP’s MIL said, and also encouraging her to ask a safe man to walk her around at night etc.

when it comes to my actual daughter, all my ‘women should be able to do what they want’ chutzpah will go out of the window, because more than I want her to stick it to the patriarchy, I want her to be safe. Thats reality.

justtaketheeffingpicture · 02/06/2025 20:42

Jadedpersuaded · 02/06/2025 19:33

Do tell me more about this dubious impression that women are giving of themselves. I'm absolutely fascinated to hear it

If you don't know then you must not have much common sense 🤷‍♀️

Jadedpersuaded · 02/06/2025 19:33

justtaketheeffingpicture · 02/06/2025 00:38

Really? You don't think that those images of young women we see with their tits and arses hanging out on High Streets on Saturday nights are not giving out a dubious impression ? Yes it may well be female empowerment or whatever other random reasons are chosen but the fact remains they are attracting attention to themselves. They are going to get the catcalls, the comments and the looks. You have to take some small iota of responsibility with this.

Do tell me more about this dubious impression that women are giving of themselves. I'm absolutely fascinated to hear it

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 11:31

@Butchyrestingface yes I'd be happy for her to walk around in public in that dress but might prefer she is with other people, at least until she is a bit older and able to handle herself more confidently.

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ohnonotthisargumentagain · 02/06/2025 11:05

There is a moment when a little girl comes out of cutsie children’s clothes and into teen clothes. This can be a shock for relatives who are used to seeing the little girl and protective instincts kick in. These thoughts should be kept in their heads but we all know that doesn’t happen nearly often enough!
this is a conversation for you and your dd along the lines of ‘I think granny was a bit surprised to see you looking so grown up ‘ to help her realise that it is actually about your MILs feelings rather than her dress.

on the unwanted attention front I think we could all do with remembering that while we feel frumpy in school uniform it is still a porn genre and therefore attracts attention even when girls are not rolling up their skirts.

The behaviour of revolting men is never a girl’s fault but they are a reality to be dealt with.

Shadowfacs · 02/06/2025 10:25

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2025 10:17

Which is what you said

Do we know for a fact that woman wearing skimpy clothes are more likely to be attacked. Maybe more likely to be leered at

I've seen schoolgirls of all ages on buses who's skirts are so short when they sit down you can see their knickers.
I've also see teenage girls on buses in "casual" wear (in the daytime) wearing crop tops, no bra and beige leggings that are tight enough to show the shape of their pudenda.

You can call me old-fashioned but I think it's unnecessary and inappropriate.

Moonlightexpress · 02/06/2025 10:25

justtaketheeffingpicture · 01/06/2025 13:25

What she said was true though.

I hate to say it too but it is true, but I too felt like you op, I didnt want my girls taking this on as their responsibility for men's bad behaviour so honestly that's the exact conversation I had with them. We have to tell them the hard truths and to some extent the rest is down to them as they start to get older. No its not our fault men are pervs but yes certain outfits choices do make men think its OK to be inappropriate. But its not ok. Its not OK and never will be OK. This is purely on them not us.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 02/06/2025 10:22

Your daughters dress is entirely appropriate for a 13 year old at a summer family wedding. I hope you all have a great time and that she enjoys her day.

The thread has taken a turn away from your original question 0p and nothing new is being said now.

Bbq1 · 02/06/2025 10:22

How old is mil? She didn't really saying anything wrong, she is trying to protect her gd. Of course a 13 year old should be able to dress as she likes. There are women who do dress for the male gaze You can't tell me white scrunch bum leggings or shorts cut to expose half your bum cheeks is for anything other than attention. A 13 year old should dress as she likes but with that sadly there comes the fact that unpleasant men may look at her etc. As a child in school uniform, I was never bothered.
As an adult throughout my 20s I was regularly stared at, called after, cars beeping their horns etc but I could handle it. I don't understood why any men would need to be looking at Children.. Nasty.

Butchyrestingface · 02/06/2025 10:21

Aside from the fact that she isn't likely to be walking around in public in said dress,

Would you be happy for her to walk around in public wearing the dress, @rainbowsbutterfliescompromise ?

BIossomtoes · 02/06/2025 10:17

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:54

I read it as, dress in the 'wrong' way, then expect to be treated disrespectfully. Was I wrong?

Which is what you said

Do we know for a fact that woman wearing skimpy clothes are more likely to be attacked. Maybe more likely to be leered at

Shadowfacs · 02/06/2025 10:10

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:58

What conclusion would a man jump to based on seeing my daughter in the below dress? That she's desperate for sex without consent? Dear God.

I can't see any dress...

justtaketheeffingpicture · 02/06/2025 10:08

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:58

What conclusion would a man jump to based on seeing my daughter in the below dress? That she's desperate for sex without consent? Dear God.

You seem very defensive on this now. Do you agree that some men may catcall at a young girl in a revealing dress ( I'm sure her dress isn't that revealing anyway , is it?) and it is worth having that chat with her ? No one is saying she shouldn't wear it but many are saying it may come with some unwanted attention.

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 10:07

It's like one of those magazine articles 'how to dress for the job you want' - fine. If it was 'how to dress to not get raped' - totally different and not fine.

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rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 10:05

Being turned away from an event or missing a promotion is a world away from being sexually assaulted though

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Shadowfacs · 02/06/2025 10:03

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:54

I read it as, dress in the 'wrong' way, then expect to be treated disrespectfully. Was I wrong?

In some areas of life, yes, that applies.

If Daryl Hannah was seen on the Red Carpet at Cannes Film Festival, say, with ripped jeans, greasy hair and a t-shirt, she could kiss good bye for another film part for some time.

If she dressed like that at home it wouldn't be an issue.

What's "right" or "wrong" in clothes often depends on the situation not the clothes.

That's why we have dress codes for some events.

I don't know why that makes you feel sick?

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:59

Some of you are telling on yourselves while trying to appear realistic and reasonable

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rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:58

What conclusion would a man jump to based on seeing my daughter in the below dress? That she's desperate for sex without consent? Dear God.

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Shadowfacs · 02/06/2025 09:55

Mareleine · 02/06/2025 09:52

Possibly because this has absolutely FA to do with OP's analogy so she drew a conclusion that your point was something more on-topic?

The point was that some people jump to conclusions based on appearance, which is wholly relevant.

I think OP is overthinking this.

Maybe OP can explain for themselves?

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:54

I read it as, dress in the 'wrong' way, then expect to be treated disrespectfully. Was I wrong?

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 02/06/2025 09:54

thepariscrimefiles · 02/06/2025 09:09

Your MIL is just an old fashioned misogynist. You have said that she likes to suck the joy/enjoyment out of things that she doesn't approve of.

Do you see her often? I would try and reduce the opportunities that she has to try and instill her sexist/fun-sucking values on your daughter. The dress is lovely btw.

Yes, She sounds delightful.

Mareleine · 02/06/2025 09:52

Shadowfacs · 02/06/2025 09:51

I can't read your mind but the point was that the dealership employees assumed on her first visit she was hard-up and couldn't afford a nice car because she was driving an "old banger". So they didn't want to waste time trying to sell to her.

When she came back looking like she had a bit of dosh, they couldn't wait to sell her a car.

I'm not sure why this makes you feel nauseous?

Possibly because this has absolutely FA to do with OP's analogy so she drew a conclusion that your point was something more on-topic?

Shadowfacs · 02/06/2025 09:51

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:46

@Shadowfacs I don't follow but if you're saying what I think you're saying then I feel a bit sick in my mouth (apologies if you're not)

I can't read your mind but the point was that the dealership employees assumed on her first visit she was hard-up and couldn't afford a nice car because she was driving an "old banger". So they didn't want to waste time trying to sell to her.

When she came back looking like she had a bit of dosh, they couldn't wait to sell her a car.

I'm not sure why this makes you feel nauseous?

SunComeBack · 02/06/2025 09:48

WTF I can get it if she was going to be walking around in a bikini (That should be ok but it’s not because of men) but a strappy dress floral from Newlook!?!
What should girls be wearing in summer, surely a strappy dress is standard summer wear?!?!
When I spoke to my step daughter about this topic (she loves showing off her bum cheeks in tiny shorts) I just explained…. You look lovely and you should be able to wear whatever you want but those shorts are going to get you attention that you are to young to deal with. It’s sad though that girls still have to be given this advice.

rainbowsbutterfliescompromise · 02/06/2025 09:46

@Shadowfacs I don't follow but if you're saying what I think you're saying then I feel a bit sick in my mouth (apologies if you're not)

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