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To not let DD celebrate her birthday this year?

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BauerBorg · 01/06/2025 12:52

DD is turning 15 this week, but due to her behaviour over the past few months, we’ve told her there won’t be a party or any celebrations beyond a cake and a small present at home. She’s been pushing boundaries in every direction — talking back, lying, not pulling her weight at home, and even skipping school once. We’ve tried everything from grounding to talking calmly to involving school, but nothing has made a dent.

She was expecting a party and a shopping trip with friends, which we’ve now cancelled. She’s been in tears and saying we’re being unfair and ruining her birthday. I feel awful, but I also feel like we need to make a stand. She’s acting like she can do whatever she wants without consequence, and honestly, we’re both exhausted by it all.

DH agrees with the decision but keeps second-guessing it now that she’s giving us the silent treatment and making the whole house miserable.

AIBU? I don’t want to be cruel, but I also don’t want her thinking bad behaviour gets rewarded. Would love some outside perspective because it’s hard to see clearly when emotions are this high.

OP posts:
BIossomtoes · 01/06/2025 18:49

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 18:35

I am wondering if any of the people wittering on about standing your ground and so on have ever dealt with a strong willed and/or wayward teenager and how that may have worked out for them

I'm guessing the 'strong willed/wayward teenager' was a 'spirited' pre-schooler, 5/6/7 year old with a lack of boundaries.

Probably not. Do you not remember the shitshow of hormones kicking in?

PorgyandBess · 01/06/2025 18:43

You sound horrible.

15 is a hard age, especially for girls. She’ll remember and resent you for this - quite rightly.

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 18:35

I am wondering if any of the people wittering on about standing your ground and so on have ever dealt with a strong willed and/or wayward teenager and how that may have worked out for them

I'm guessing the 'strong willed/wayward teenager' was a 'spirited' pre-schooler, 5/6/7 year old with a lack of boundaries.

Fantailsflitting · 01/06/2025 18:30

This behaviour is fairly typical of teenage girls. You've hardly got a teenage hell raiser on your hands at present. However, your present course of action is hardly likely to turn her into a compliant cheerful teen, is it? What 15 year old girl wants a "family day out" instead of the birthday party shopping trip etc? She will never forget or probably forgive you for this. I am wondering if any of the people wittering on about standing your ground and so on have ever dealt with a strong willed and/or wayward teenager and how that may have worked out for them.

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 18:30

Gymnopedie · 01/06/2025 17:42

When did this become 'normal teenage behaviour'?

It wasn't when I was one. It wasn't when my niece and nephew were, which isn't nearly as long ago.

When did teaching become crowd control not education?

It bothers me that so many PPs are saying that this is normal.

The majority of the thread reads like a shit show. Soooo many people who clearly accept this from their teens. As I said in an earlier post, it's clear to see why so many teenagers are rude, entitled and can't cope with the real world when anyone dares say no to them. The evidence is all here. One poster actually said "sit down and negotiate with DD" 🙄

Pinty · 01/06/2025 18:07

shuggles · 01/06/2025 16:58

@BauerBorg OP, regardless of behaviour, do you not think a 15 year old is far too old to be having a birthday party? I thought birthday parties were things that children did in primary school.

Have you never been to an adults birthday party?
There is no age limit for a birthday party.
The type of party changes but it's still.a.party!

TrainGame · 01/06/2025 18:04

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 01/06/2025 16:05

She was expecting a party and a shopping trip with friends, which we’ve now cancelled. She’s been in tears and saying we’re being unfair and ruining her birthday. I feel awful, but I also feel like we need to make a stand. She’s acting like she can do whatever she wants without consequence, and honestly, we’re both exhausted by it all.DH agrees with the decision but keeps second-guessing it now that she’s giving us the silent treatment and making the whole house miserable.

Come on. You and DH have made the whole house miserable because you chose a punishment that publicly humiliates your daughter. What did you expect? Of course this was going to upset her deeply. Also it’s not the silent treatment when you are so upset you need space for a few hours.

Exactly.

TrainGame · 01/06/2025 18:01

That’s really sad she doesn’t talk to you or confide in you.

You’ve somehow created a them and us situation where you’ve got deep divisions between you now.

You need to change your language and the way you speak to her so she understands you love her, support her and then she can do the same for you.

Youre both deeply entrenched in your own world views.

Ask her how she is. How she really really is. Sit with her a while and ask her just to be with you, no talking needed, to just be together. Let things settle, let your presence together settle, we’re always rushing.

I see this so often, parents that haven’t had an open conversation with their kids for years. And often this same rebellious behaviour because you’re so far apart. They need you but somehow you’ve got too far away. Communication is the key to all good relationships. There are loads of resources online. Invest.

and tell her you love her, no matter what.

JHound · 01/06/2025 18:01

Stand your ground. And I feel sorry for you- but from what I hear there is light at the end of the puberty tunnel!

To me this seems like a completely reasonable punishment.

fedup1212 · 01/06/2025 17:58

Ridiculous. Teens have been pushing boundaries since the dawn of time.

pinkdelight · 01/06/2025 17:53

Although I have to add that I wasn't a troubled teen at all, I was fine then too, thanks. Because my mum didn't act like the OP and my punishments were just. The issue here that many people are finding - including the OP/DH I suspect - is that their punishment is too extreme for the crime, so I can imagine what that injustice would feel like to me as a teen. It didn't happen to me, but I empathise.

littleweedandherflowers · 01/06/2025 17:53

I couldn’t do that, I think that’s too far ! Let her celebrate her birthday in style ! She’ll never get her 15 th birthday again ! You could do another punishment ie no iPad no pocket money not going out for a week etc but don’t do that to her on her birthday that’s pretty cruel x

pinkdelight · 01/06/2025 17:49

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 17:44

Yours have 'plenty of boundaries' but here you are encouraging OP not to give her DD any. Mmmmhh. You sounded like a troubled teen. When my Mum disciplined me I took it on the chin and actually respected her a bit more for it, I didn't feel the need to 'punish' her for it.

You're so extreme. When did 'plenty of boundaries' have to include axing a kid's birthday party? And when did 'not axing a kid's birthday party' become not having any boundaries? Don't answer that, we're clearly on very different pages of parenting. I was taught moderation in all things and it's working out fine so far. Sure OP will take what she wants from the range of post and see what's apt.

BIossomtoes · 01/06/2025 17:46

Gymnopedie · 01/06/2025 17:42

When did this become 'normal teenage behaviour'?

It wasn't when I was one. It wasn't when my niece and nephew were, which isn't nearly as long ago.

When did teaching become crowd control not education?

It bothers me that so many PPs are saying that this is normal.

Well I’m over 70 and it was when I was a teenager. And it was when I was the mother of a teenager.

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 17:44

pinkdelight · 01/06/2025 17:40

Ha ha, I'm not scared thanks. Mine (17 & 14) have been fine, not skived and know not to give me shit. They have plenty of boundaries, but I wouldn't have gone to this extreme and if I had I'd be okay to negotiate an alternative with them. However I know that when I was a 15yo girl, if my mum had done what OP did and stuck to her guns, my anger would have been very hard to get past and I'd be more inclined to punish my mum back with what little power I had rather than meekly accept that it was all my fault and play nice at family cake time. Emotions are so strong at that age you need help to defuse not feed them.

Yours have 'plenty of boundaries' but here you are encouraging OP not to give her DD any. Mmmmhh. You sounded like a troubled teen. When my Mum disciplined me I took it on the chin and actually respected her a bit more for it, I didn't feel the need to 'punish' her for it.

Gymnopedie · 01/06/2025 17:42

When did this become 'normal teenage behaviour'?

It wasn't when I was one. It wasn't when my niece and nephew were, which isn't nearly as long ago.

When did teaching become crowd control not education?

It bothers me that so many PPs are saying that this is normal.

pinkdelight · 01/06/2025 17:42

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 17:22

Fucking hell. Don't do this OP.

Why not? Seems pretty sensible.

pinkdelight · 01/06/2025 17:40

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 17:14

The DD can bring it up as much as she likes. So what? It doesn't justify not giving teenagers discipline/boundaries. If you think giving into teenagers because you're scared of them is the better option then carry on. It wouldn't be me.

Ha ha, I'm not scared thanks. Mine (17 & 14) have been fine, not skived and know not to give me shit. They have plenty of boundaries, but I wouldn't have gone to this extreme and if I had I'd be okay to negotiate an alternative with them. However I know that when I was a 15yo girl, if my mum had done what OP did and stuck to her guns, my anger would have been very hard to get past and I'd be more inclined to punish my mum back with what little power I had rather than meekly accept that it was all my fault and play nice at family cake time. Emotions are so strong at that age you need help to defuse not feed them.

LimitedBrightSpots · 01/06/2025 17:23

I would ask her to write a letter explaining her view of why you're upset with her and to what extent she agrees with you, why she thinks you're reacting in the way that you are and how she could work with you to modify her behaviour going forward. I'd ask her to set out her view of how you can all work to make your home a happy and respectful one. I'd ask her to see if she can work with you to get to a point where you're not so reliant on punishments and you can reinstate the party without worrying that she'll think "she's got away with it" and continue to behave poorly.

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 17:22

StMarie4me · 01/06/2025 17:18

Teenagers will act out. It’s what they do. She will never have this birthday again. I would sit down and negotiate with her, so that you can enable the birthday but she has to make some commitments for the future.

Fucking hell. Don't do this OP.

StMarie4me · 01/06/2025 17:18

Teenagers will act out. It’s what they do. She will never have this birthday again. I would sit down and negotiate with her, so that you can enable the birthday but she has to make some commitments for the future.

ColinCaterpillarsNo1Fan · 01/06/2025 17:18

Do not back down now because if you do she'll know that there are no real consequences to her behaviour. My mum did this with my sister and it launched her into a 20 yr pattern of abusive behaviour. Stand firm.

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 17:16

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 01/06/2025 16:27

I've been there.

It will depend on the OP's DD's personality a lot.

I'm in my 50s and just reading this thread has brought it all back. I never forgave my parents for humiliating me like that. I never had another birthday party ever again, I just said I didn't want one as I wasn't giving anyone that kind of power over me again.

I have a 16 year old now - she's ND and has never been easy, and pushes boundaries all the time. I've spent years working with mental health experts as a result. Punishments should be immediate and proportionate. This is neither.

OP didn't mention her DD being ND.

BIossomtoes · 01/06/2025 17:15

Devilsmommy · 01/06/2025 17:06

Definitely. Fucking hell, missing one birthday party😱 if she didn't act like a twat then she'd have kept her party 🤷 life lessons

She’s not acting like a twat. She’s acting like a teenager. 🙄

Crackanut · 01/06/2025 17:14

pinkdelight · 01/06/2025 17:05

It's not over-dramatic. It's not about her being emotionally scarred for life, but it doesn't take a lot of forethought to think DD can bring this up in every argument from now on, as proof that OP is unreasonable and DD is justified in her actions. OP can stick to her guns if she wants a war. If she actually wants DD to not be shitty with her, to not skive and to have a more functional relationship, then guns won't win this.

The DD can bring it up as much as she likes. So what? It doesn't justify not giving teenagers discipline/boundaries. If you think giving into teenagers because you're scared of them is the better option then carry on. It wouldn't be me.

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