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To think asking people if they have grandchildren is like asking if they are pregnant - just don't!

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Liesmorelies · 31/05/2025 20:38

I was talking to a colleague last week and she suddenly asked if I had grandchildren. I think she already knew I had children but not their ages - I don't know her well and we weren't discussing our children at the time.

It really took me aback and, I admit, offended me a bit. I'm 49 and have been told a few times I look younger. Not because I'm so attractive (I'm not!) but my skin is pretty good and no grey hair and, while I'm quite insecure about my looks, looking older than I am is not among them. Or wasn't. It is now.

I know you can have gc at 49 but it's quite unusual and no one where I work who is the same age as me has gc- all have dc around the same age as mine (late teens).

If someone was clearly in their 40s/50s but I wasn't sure of their age I just wouldn't ask it unless I knew for a fact they had adult dc, just like I wouldn't ask if someone was pregnant just because their figure suggested they might be!

It also makes me worry that she was being a bit snide, which is also an upsetting thought.

OP posts:
WearyAuldWumman · 01/06/2025 16:53

Catinthereallysmallhat · 01/06/2025 16:39

You were asked at 64 if you still get your period?

No. (Ironically, I was being investigated for post-menopausal bleeding.) I was specifically asked whether there was any chance that I might be pregnant.

Obviously, the gynae knew that it was a ridiculous question - but it seems that they're required to ask. (I suppose that there's an outside chance that a woman of my age might be using someone else's embryo, but even so...)

3 yrs earlier, I was asked the same when I got my flu and Covid jabs.

tuvamoodyson · 01/06/2025 16:43

Trendyname · 01/06/2025 13:03

What year was then? Because majority of the current royals had kids after they turned 30.

Well the King is 75….

Catinthereallysmallhat · 01/06/2025 16:39

WearyAuldWumman · 01/06/2025 16:30

I was asked that when I got my hysteroscopy last year at the age of 64 and the doctor had my records in front of him. As you suggest, it's a standard question for women.

I burst out laughing and told him I'd be selling my story to the tabloids if I were. He told me he wanted 10 per cent...

You were asked at 64 if you still get your period?

WearyAuldWumman · 01/06/2025 16:30

BIossomtoes · 01/06/2025 15:50

I’m still pathetically grateful for the ‘could you be pregnant?’ type questions when I give blood

Seriously? My eyes roll out of my head when they ask me and I’m considerably older than you. My response is laughter and pointing out that the age of miracles is past. They’re not asking you because they think it’s a possibility, they’re asking you because you’re female.

I was asked that when I got my hysteroscopy last year at the age of 64 and the doctor had my records in front of him. As you suggest, it's a standard question for women.

I burst out laughing and told him I'd be selling my story to the tabloids if I were. He told me he wanted 10 per cent...

OhNameHgcaher · 01/06/2025 16:27

Trendyname · 01/06/2025 14:10

Is that what happens when you have kids early? You lose any patience and social etiquettes, and think it’s ok calling people who have different opinion or feel differently to you butt hurt and haggard? I hope that’s not how you talk to your children or grandchildren at least.

I actually didn't call her haggard, I said she was butt hurt because her colleague thought it 😅

Nothing to do with her having a different opinion, more that she was hellbent on being offended.

I 100% don't call my children haggard 🤣

EmeraldShamrock000 · 01/06/2025 16:22

Liesmorelies · 01/06/2025 15:33

@Catinthereallysmallhat My background is a bit weird - my mum's family was working-class with her parents in the merchant navy and a cleaner. My dad's family were wealthy farmers on his dm's side and a hospital manager on his df's side, so very different from dm's. But neither of my parents went to university, though df ended up in a management role and a lot of his colleagues in comparable roles were younger with degrees, while he'd worked his way up. My dm was a medical secretary. Both encouraged me to value education and I did get a degree and post-grad qualification and am in a profession.

But I really didn't see the question as class-related. Colleague will know I must have a degree from the role I do. Her role doesn't require one but I don't know whether she has one. I was more bothered about the implication, as I saw it, that I look considerably older than I am. I maintain it's not a standard question to ask someone unless you know for a fact how old they and their children are, and even then, probably best not to, as others have said.

I disagree.

You made it about class markers being of a certain age before having children.
Not @MiracleCures
At 49, it is possible to have a grandchild. You're assuming that she meant you were old, youthful skin doesn't hide age, you're still 49 with good skin.
As a wc person, I found @MiracleCures quotes refreshing.
Restored my faith, not all degree educated ladies are judgemental with a superiority complex.

WearyAuldWumman · 01/06/2025 16:21

MiracleCures · 01/06/2025 13:58

Oh dear did I touch a nerve? Grin

I don't look down on anyone. I take my hat off to people who had a much harder path to climb to get degrees and career success. Indeed I spend a chunk of my free time volunteering as a trustee for a charity that helps fund training and other opportunities for people who have had a difficult start on life.

But there were a whole host of assumptions made about younger parents and grandparents and who they are and it's perfectly reasonable for some of us to come out and counter those stereotypes.

It so happens that I'm from a working-class background. (Mineworking and being 'in service'.)

My parents were ambitious for me and I should certainly imagine that that was the case for my contemporaries at uni. So far as I'm aware, my friendship group there - in the late '70s and early '80s consisted mainly of middle-class students (many of whom had been privately educated). I recall being surprised at the dearth of working-class students.

Most of the girls that I knew at uni married and had families in their 20s.

Catinthereallysmallhat · 01/06/2025 16:19

PorgyandBess · 01/06/2025 15:47

That’s nuts. I’m 52 and would be offended if someone asked if I had a grandchild! It would imply that I looked old, because in my middle class circle, people don’t become grandparents at this age.

I’m still pathetically grateful for the ‘could you be pregnant?’ type questions when I give blood 😂

Yeah they become grandparents in their 80s or are already dead at that point.

K0OLA1D · 01/06/2025 16:08

Trendyname · 01/06/2025 13:01

While it is biologocally possible, society had changed from the times when soon after becoming adults women will have children.
I wouldn't be asking anyone this question because while there are women who have early children, but there are also those who are having kids much later. I would definitely not ask in a corporate environment.

Op, I don't know a single woman who is a grandmother at the age of 49. Maybe my own grandmother but she is not 49 in year 2025. Someone being a grandmother at the age 49 in year 2025 tells me they are a family of unambitious women. Perhaps that's the kind of environment your colleague has come from?

It tells me that you're wrong.

K0OLA1D · 01/06/2025 16:04

ChocolateGanache · 01/06/2025 11:38

it not.

It is

MidoriNoRingo · 01/06/2025 15:56

So funny how the old mums are banging on about degrees like that’s the absolute gold standard. Having a degree these days means fuck all because almost everyone has one! I have 2 degrees and a lot of post grad qualifications but I will not be encouraging my children to do the same. A vocational qualification or apprenticeship would be much more beneficial these days.

Tumbleweed101 · 01/06/2025 15:54

My friend is 49 and has one grandchild and one almost here.

I don't have grandchildren but two of my children are old enough to have had children of their own by now if they'd chosen to and the third is old enough to have children but would be a young mum (19).

I definitely consider myself at 49 to be a grandparent age.

BIossomtoes · 01/06/2025 15:50

I’m still pathetically grateful for the ‘could you be pregnant?’ type questions when I give blood

Seriously? My eyes roll out of my head when they ask me and I’m considerably older than you. My response is laughter and pointing out that the age of miracles is past. They’re not asking you because they think it’s a possibility, they’re asking you because you’re female.

PorgyandBess · 01/06/2025 15:47

That’s nuts. I’m 52 and would be offended if someone asked if I had a grandchild! It would imply that I looked old, because in my middle class circle, people don’t become grandparents at this age.

I’m still pathetically grateful for the ‘could you be pregnant?’ type questions when I give blood 😂

Catinthereallysmallhat · 01/06/2025 15:44

UniqueExpert · 01/06/2025 15:31

What the hell are you thinking are 'professional' jobs that are difficult to achieve from a working class background?

Are you from the past?

What are professional jobs for a start?

Do professional jobs require a degree?

And why are they a) not working class? And b) difficult for people from your view of working class to achieve?

Touched a nerve?

If you have read the entire thread you will see that there are classist comments stating that women who have kids young (in their 20s) are from “rough areas” and couldn’t possibly have went onto uni and get a professional job. Which we know, is not the case. Many MC and upper class don’t have jobs or a degree.

OP stated she didn’t know anyone who was a grandmother at 49/50, her age. More comments about class are posted…

Speculation about ops background then followed, so yes I think it is relevant for Op to give her background if she wishes to add more context.

MiracleCures · 01/06/2025 15:38

UniqueExpert · 01/06/2025 15:31

What the hell are you thinking are 'professional' jobs that are difficult to achieve from a working class background?

Are you from the past?

What are professional jobs for a start?

Do professional jobs require a degree?

And why are they a) not working class? And b) difficult for people from your view of working class to achieve?

You have to work solidly from university to the age of 43 without even so much as glancing at a baby if you wish to reach the lofty ranks of a Mumsnet professional apparently
While also ensuring you spend plenty of time travelling and exploring personal growth in a way that weirdly narrows your world view

Liesmorelies · 01/06/2025 15:33

@Catinthereallysmallhat My background is a bit weird - my mum's family was working-class with her parents in the merchant navy and a cleaner. My dad's family were wealthy farmers on his dm's side and a hospital manager on his df's side, so very different from dm's. But neither of my parents went to university, though df ended up in a management role and a lot of his colleagues in comparable roles were younger with degrees, while he'd worked his way up. My dm was a medical secretary. Both encouraged me to value education and I did get a degree and post-grad qualification and am in a profession.

But I really didn't see the question as class-related. Colleague will know I must have a degree from the role I do. Her role doesn't require one but I don't know whether she has one. I was more bothered about the implication, as I saw it, that I look considerably older than I am. I maintain it's not a standard question to ask someone unless you know for a fact how old they and their children are, and even then, probably best not to, as others have said.

OP posts:
UniqueExpert · 01/06/2025 15:31

Catinthereallysmallhat · 01/06/2025 15:21

So did you end up going to uni, getting a degree and go on to have a successful professional job from someone who was from a working class back round?

What the hell are you thinking are 'professional' jobs that are difficult to achieve from a working class background?

Are you from the past?

What are professional jobs for a start?

Do professional jobs require a degree?

And why are they a) not working class? And b) difficult for people from your view of working class to achieve?

VexedofVirginiaWater · 01/06/2025 15:26

I don't like being asked (I'm 70 so no offence about age) because almost every time, the person doesn't accept just no as an answer, they want to know why - and expect me to defend my children's life choices in some way. Then they say they are sorry for me when it's not needed. As a parent, what I want is the happiness of my children. If they don't want children of their own, that's fine, but I don't see why I should explain or defend this to any Tom, Dick or Harry. I guess the actual question - OK - but the follow ups are just rude.

Catinthereallysmallhat · 01/06/2025 15:21

Liesmorelies · 01/06/2025 15:18

You haven't touched a nerve, @MiracleCures . I don't care what class I am and am not stung to think you might consider me 'new-m/c,' but I do think it's a bit disingenuous to state that having children in ones 20s happens in all walks of life and for the majority of people a likely outcome would be multiple degrees, published books and contributions to scientific journals, followed by skiing and other amazing travel opportunities in the later years.

For the majority of people becoming parents early on did and does lead to reduced opportunities and often economic hardship. Not always, so anecdotes to the contrary are not relevant. But my point is, many people in the later half of the 20th century and beyond encouraged their daughters especially to put off having children until later on, and many daughters took that on board and in fact, more and more are deciding against having children all together. To make out this is due to snobbery and to point to examples of people from entirely different socio-economic groups to prove this is just silly.

But it's great that you do charity work for those less fortunate. I'm sure it's much appreciated by those who benefit.

So did you end up going to uni, getting a degree and go on to have a successful professional job from someone who was from a working class back round?

Liesmorelies · 01/06/2025 15:18

You haven't touched a nerve, @MiracleCures . I don't care what class I am and am not stung to think you might consider me 'new-m/c,' but I do think it's a bit disingenuous to state that having children in ones 20s happens in all walks of life and for the majority of people a likely outcome would be multiple degrees, published books and contributions to scientific journals, followed by skiing and other amazing travel opportunities in the later years.

For the majority of people becoming parents early on did and does lead to reduced opportunities and often economic hardship. Not always, so anecdotes to the contrary are not relevant. But my point is, many people in the later half of the 20th century and beyond encouraged their daughters especially to put off having children until later on, and many daughters took that on board and in fact, more and more are deciding against having children all together. To make out this is due to snobbery and to point to examples of people from entirely different socio-economic groups to prove this is just silly.

But it's great that you do charity work for those less fortunate. I'm sure it's much appreciated by those who benefit.

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LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 01/06/2025 14:50

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/06/2025 09:45

The average age of becoming a grandparent in the UK is 49, according to government stats. If you are surrounded by people with infant school children at 49 and you think 49 is an outlandish age to be a grandparent, then you are in a bubble.

Exactly this. Now that is a fact. It's not a 'fact' or 'statistically far more likely' that there are more first time mothers in their mid 40s, than grandparents age 49!

Illegally18 · 01/06/2025 14:34

Liesmorelies · 01/06/2025 07:58

Well that's me told. How charming.

It's pretty clear that I'm put out that someone has made me feel old, yes. That's what my post was about because I feel that's a rude thing to do. Unfortunately, most people have ignored that and just posted anecdata about the ages they and people they know became parents/grandparents, but never mind. If I saw someone I perceived to be in their 20s with a child I wouldn't ask whose it was / were they the nanny, despite being a parent at that age being unusual in my area/ circle. That would be similarly rude imo.

@lljkk I know what you mean and I don't mean to imply looking old in itself is a bad thing. I am happy to look my age but don't want to believe I look 10 years older, which is what the question implied to me.

OP, she was simply making conversation. And, many women start conversation talking about kids and grand kids. And she was coming from her norm, not yours, which is why it took you aback. It's not about you looking old. But this post has certainly touched a nerve with those who have kids in their twenties. They seem to have big defensive chips on their shoulders.

RandomUsernameHere · 01/06/2025 14:34

I would be a bit offended if someone asked me this at 49, even though it’s possible I could be a grandmother at that age!

Trendyname · 01/06/2025 14:27

Liesmorelies · 31/05/2025 21:34

Of course I know I'm old enough to have grandchildren - I said that in the OP. But I don't think it's that common these days and certainly not the norm, and most definitely not the norm in our workplace. As for saying she was making conversation - we were conversing quite happily and it actually came as a bit of a non sequitur. As a PP said, a more natural question to get to know me/keep the conversation going, would have been about my dc and their ages/what they're doing etc. Not leaping straight to grandchildren!

Yes, she is quite a bit younger than me - probably early 30s and her dc are in nursery/infants.

You should have responded by saying will you be a granny by age 49 in a joking manner?

Even if she had an older by 27, that kid would be 22 when she is 49. Of course there are exceptions, but usually women have children later than their mother because we are all impacted by society to some degree. And overall women are having children later than previous generations.

She didn’t ask anything about your children ( saying this because you say your children are 16 and 18, and she thinks you are a grandmother) and went on asking about grandchildren. Doesn’t seem like she even knows if children are make or female. For me that tells me this woman was not making a normal conversations.

A lot of posters are ignoring that.