Teacher pay

Whereas what you say is accurate and reliable?

Think it’s an easy job ? Well paid and with loads of holidays ? Please come join us as there are so few of us left.

So basically they just asked the teachers and we just accept their word as fact?

As a teacher in London I see the impact teachers wages have on recruitment and it is not positive. It is fine for teachers whilst they are happy to house share, but if you want your own space, rented or owned, then the only option is to move away. Even shared ownership is now getting out of reach. Every year we lose staff who move out of London purely because of finances, either to buy a first home, or to swap a tiny flat for a good sized house. Even on a headteachers salary it is difficult to afford more than a flat.

I wish people would stop saying teachers aren't paid for the holidays.

Teachers are paid for 195 days/1265 hours per year. This is directed time. There is also non-directed time which is when a lot of planning/marking etc is done. This may be done at weekends, evenings or holidays. This is on top of the 195 days.

Teachers' holiday entitlement is 5-6 weeks, the same as everyone else.

https://www.sec-ed.co.uk/content/news/more-than-52-hours-a-week-teacher-workload-continues-to-rise/

Then where do these facts and figures come from? As opposed to just, you know, your mates as a random person on MN.

@QwestSprout that makes me so sad. We have 38 days here and we could only dream of salaries like that. Can’t believe the difference!

Slightly biased as my partner is a teacher however that gives me better insight to have an opinion. He works hard, really long hours and works throughout the holidays too. That can be planning, marking, doing a course or going in school to give struggling children extra tuition. He also does a few weekends a year attending shows around where his school is, he’s a music teacher and his students perform at these things. That means packing up tons of equipment and lugging it to venues on his days off. I’m used to it now but in the early days it nearly broke us. He had zero time for us. Teachers deserve this pay rise 100%

Ah I see we are now responsible for the whole of society 😂. I’ll remember that next time a parent screams at me that I should be fired for telling little Jonny off for smashing the face of another student. All my fault obviously.

Children come to school with no respect. That starts in the home.

The way society is, I'd say they are paid to much and before anyone says what have they got to do with society, they have alot do do with it!

8hrs a day children are in school and look at the UK it's a shit pit and children have no respect, girls are out of hand and boys are growing up weak (parents could be a factor also but teachers definitely are too)

No payrise should be given.

The abuse teachers are subjected to day in day out is forcing teachers out of the job they love. That and ridiculous workload & micromanaging.
It's not the pay in my opinion. It's the conditions.
I say that as a teacher of 30 years

Literally no teacher I know is working these utterly fictions 12 hours days. They just aren’t and coupled with the “we don’t get paid for the holidays” (ok, but then your hourly wage is much greater than you are claiming) narrative does make it look like intentional misleading.

I’ve been teaching 30 years, I’m committed and love it and I’m good at my job. Yes there are flashpoints in the year when it gets busy - I commute so there is the odd day when I leave the house at 6.40 and don’t get back until 8. However, I’ve never really done any work in the evenings and do very little beyond reading(I’m an English teacher) in the holidays. I had three kids while teaching full time and it just wouldn’t have been sustainable to work that hard.

Trouble is that someone has to pay for wage rises for all, so that either increases taxation or prices. Thus people end up no better off.

The problem is that they are not funded and there is little or no room in the budget for these pay rises meaning that many teaches won't actually get them.

Maybe my child's school isn't great, but honestly they DO repeat. Second child is now being taught by the same teacher as 1st child was, and it's identical. There's no differentiation whatsoever - kids came in being able to read and were still given those books without words, and those that are struggling are left behind (ie my junior school dyslexic child still expected to do the y3/4 spellings, when she's at Y1 level, and then winders when she gets upset...).

Yes they do more than their hours, and I'd be delighted to give them pay rises, but in return, I'd love to see them treated as individuals not just identikit cohorts. I can literally predict the work they'll do each week.

“Am I being unreasonable to think they deserve a pay rise in like with inflation?”

They are being offered a pay rise that is in line with inflation (actually greater than inflation). What’s your problem?

I wasn’t throwing insults - it was a genuine observation.

The teachers that I know of that the academies got rid of were either expensive, old or not willing to be treated like crap.

It had very little to do with being up to scratch.

Although this does nothing for inflation, I think most people deserve pay rises atm. It seems teachers are paid quite well and have perks (set holidays, good pensions, lots of jobs out there)
i think most of us think we have stressful parts of our jobs and are understaffed (like it seems my teacher friends say)

And my best friends and cousin too? Perhaps they are actually just better teachers/more organised if you're going to throw insults.

I didn't say they never do any work at all outside of school but it certainly isn't every night/weekend like some are claiming. I don't try and invalidate your experience as I can appreciate everyone is different as shocking a concept as that is.

That's absolutely ridiculous. Here in Scotland FE lecturers start on 40k and after 5 years are on 48k. In September that's going up to 42k start and 50k after 5 years. If you're a promoted lecturer you earn 55k, 57k in September.

We also get 62 holidays a year just like the schools and the full six weeks in the summer.

I've not read the full thread but I'm a teacher and quite low on the pay scale. I would rather miss out on a pay rise and keep my TA. Schools are skint, I already spend a good chunk of my own money on resources. People don't appreciate teachers anymore and how much we do for their kids. I've spent two days of my half term writing reports and planning. I could have worked so much more but I actually want to see my own kids. Equally, I struggle month on month so I need a pay rise but heyho. We get paid enough apparently.

Nope paid for 1265 hours per year.