Should be more outraged at what I’d happening in Gaza?

No one is ever forced to take hostages.

In all honesty I’m way more concerned about what’s going on in the US than in Gaza. Gaza is one of over 100 current armed conflicts in which people are being killed daily, many of them women and children. The UN is powerless to stop them, and I certainly wouldn’t be in favour of committing UK troops on the ground there, would you? The US situation on the other hand has the potential to bring down the power of law and democracy in the largest armed power on the globe.

Forced?

Yes, all the brave Jewish folk speaking up against Netanyahu the psychopathic war criminal must be…. Anti Jewish? Antisemitic? I don’t know, just plain old confused?

Nothing to do with being a hypocrite, maybe that’s who you happen to surround yourself with?

Muslims as a whole will always be against the oppression of any other Muslim (generalising of course as not everyone is perfect lol) but just because Palestine is getting more “airtime” NOW after decades of being oppressed (and arguably ignored) why does that mean it’s a bad thing?

Palestine has now given people more to think about when it comes to other oppression. I noticed Macklemore who is outspoken about Palestine openly said he is now learning more about Sudan and DRC. It’s a knock on effect.

Many Muslim countries are not providing aid or support to Palestine, so how is it a Judaism vs Islam issue? Highlighting pro-Palestinian activism as antisemitism is a mockery of antisemitism itself.

Israel is committing war crimes and many communities are currently facing oppression, Palestine just happens to currently be at an extreme level because of the weaponry Israel has access to. If Palestine is the start of people’s activism, that can only be a good thing - thank goodness, if it opens their eyes and hearts to speak up against other oppression too.

This is nothing to do with IDF vs Hamas anymore.

@Didntask can't quote you but yeah any excuse to take against the Jews

You can disagree with Israel's actions without calling for the destruction of the country. Netanyahu is abhorrent and many many Israelis cannot stand him. Lots of Israelis and Palestinians were working together for peace. At the end of the day it all comes down to religion and the superiority complex it gives people. And the women and children just pay the price.

You do realise that the people dying in Palestine have no control over what Hamas do? It’s the same with what happened in Germany, lot of German people who lived there did not support Hitler and no control over the army. Lots of Americans and Britains did not support the Iraq war. Lots of Americans do not support Trump.

There is massive power assymmetry between the military capability of the state of Israel, and the militants of Hamas.

Because of this, Hamas is forced to leverage hostages and human shields in order to address that imbalance. It’s unpleasant and disgusting, but it’s all the leverage they have faced with a nation state intent on driving them out of their homes.

It’s awful, I’d have way more sympathy if they hadn’t taken the hostages/returned them immediately. The future should also bebe Hamas free.

The war in Gaza would likely cease tomorrow if Hamas released the remaining hostages, and the bodies of those they have killed. There should be massive pressure on them to do this. At the very least, they would take away one of the main reasons that Israel cites for its attacks. So can we see more outrage against Hamas please? Who use civilians as human shields and choose to prolong the suffering of civilians by refusing to release the hostages.

It’s disgusting. Tens of thousands of children murdered by the high tech weapons of a sophisticated first world state which cannot extend the kindness shown to them back when they were desperate to the people who share their borders. From settlers to white phosphorus bombs, it’s appalling.

Does it help to be outraged, then? Are we thinking emotion is useful in this situation?

Well no it hasn’t been a long time for many people who have been watching this play out from the start and who actually watch the news of the numerous wars going on around the world. Why are you so outraged now?

Lol, I got deleted (colour me surprised) but yeah, that's about the size of it.

Unless the Jews can be blamed, they're just not interested 🤷‍♀️

@BigTumSad The whole 'we are trying to eliminate hamas' is ridiculous. You cannot eliminate an ideology and the the more you bomb the shit out of innocent people, the more likely it is that you will throw wood on the fire. Hamas will return after this, it may be given another name. But people remember. They remember seeing their father blown to bits, their mum being ripped away from them, their house destroyed, their brother starving in front of their eyes. They remember and they will want revenge. Hamas will re-grow stronger.

1000%

I grew up in Belfast during the troubles and while living in England I would have people express their horror at the IRA the “terrorism”. Going on about how awful it was from their middle class English bubble.
Well yeah plenty of boys and men did get involved with the IRA, but plenty of them did it due to seeing their dad’s get shot by the British army, or they ended up living in the camps because they got burned out of their home in the middle of the night for being catholic, or their brother/ cousin was killed. Actions have consequences and the idea that one side is pure and good and one side is evil and not a product of their shit environment is nonsense.

How anyone can think indiscriminate bombing will stamp out a terrorist organisation is beyond me, every single air strike is radicalising more and more people from Gaza because they are brought up in appalling circumstances.

Agree.

Israel has the best intelligence service in the world. They knew from the beginning where key hammas leaders were (the most prominent weren't even in Gaza) and could quite easily have taken them out quickly as revenge for 7/10. At the beginning they knew exactly where key people were that they wanted eliminated. There was no need for a mass destruction campaign and the killing of so many innocent civilians.

What has, and is, happening in Gaza now is ethnic cleansing and genocide ... Netenyahu is Hitler.

The whole 'we are trying to eliminate hamas' is ridiculous. You cannot eliminate an ideology and the the more you bomb the shit out of innocent people, the more likely it is that you will throw wood on the fire. Hamas will return after this, it may be given another name. But people remember. They remember seeing their father blown to bits, their mum being ripped away from them, their house destroyed, their brother starving in front of their eyes. They remember and they will want revenge. Hamas will re-grow stronger.

Not only will those children left in Gaza (who will be deeply deeply traumatised) grow up to wish death on Israeli's, but internationally hamas (or similar emerging organisation) will have garnered much support.

You mark my words. What Netenyahu and the IDF are doing to Gaza now will come back to haunt Israel. Not only have they destroyed Gaza and traumatised it's people, but ultimately they have committed a future suicide upon themselves.

Totally this, for some people religion is everything and there is no point pretending otherwise. Each side wants to wipe out the other until there is no one left.

This, and I have said so to all my hypocritical Muslim friends who have got up in arms about Gaza but were nowhere when Muslims were being persecuted in these places.

Just because there is a lack of balanced support, it doesn’t mean we need to start fighting between ourselves. All oppression and genocide is wrong and it’s never too late to speak up. Gaza activists have been speaking out regularly for Sudan, Congo, Yemen, etc. This isn’t a competition. Nobody should be oppressed and left to die, and if Palestine is the starting point for people to open their eyes and realise the horrific injustices occurring, then it’s better than them staying blind to everything.

So Israel has managed to kill 10s of 1000s of innocent civilians - including journalists and aid workers - but they still haven’t managed to kill Hamas? The entirety of Gaza is rubble. Anyone who believes the ‘but Hamas’ justifications needs a reality check.

Hi - I am concerned about Gaza, but I am also concerned about what’s happening in the DRC, Sudan, Myanmar, Ukraine etc. The disproportionate focus on Gaza when so little was said about the Rohingha, the Yazidi, the Uighurs troubles me.

People will be nitpicky about your tone and the thread and the blah blah blah but at the end of the day, what is happening in Gaza is now a genocide being carried out by Israel and even its own people are protesting against the Israeli government so it’s embarrassing that people in the west are justifying the actions of Netanyahu when even his own people see him as a psychopath.

Label the ME as “savages” all you want but one day when it reaches your own front door there will be nobody - and I genuinely mean nobody - left to speak up for us lot because everyone else will be dealt with the way they are dealing with Palestine right now.

Im sure all the orphaned boys and babies will be soooo against Hamas, watching Israel blow their families up! They will NEVER want to join Hamas after witnessing all this, oh no, never! /sarcasm

Israel is - and this is fact - committing multiple war crimes as we speak.

They target and kill journalists.

they murder innocent families while they shelter in schools and hospitals.

They kill animals on the streets for jokes.

They rape prisoners and hostages.

They murder ambulance workers and aid providers, then bury them to hide the evidence even though there is proof.

They shot hundreds of bullets into a car with a 6 year old inside, surrounded by her dead family, and the official aid workers sent to save her - all murdered.

Israel is a terrorist state.