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To think someone's sexual predilections reflects on their broader character?

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MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:11

Just that really. I feel like I came of age in a time when we were encouraged to believe that someone's 'intimate preferences' were just that, and that they were completely isolated from that persons wider self and personality. I just don't think that's true though. I suppose I'm wondering two things here, firstly if IABU I'm thinking this now but secondly - am I the only one who has felt the pressure not to judge someone on what 'they're into' providing it was always fully consensual.

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Circe7 · 01/06/2025 14:53

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 01/06/2025 14:42

How would any man or woman know for absolute sure their partner is fully consenting and into any kind of sex?

This (and completely vanilla penetrative sex without a condom is higher risk than most bdsm activities). How do you know (say) that your partner isn’t just consenting to sex because they want financial stability/ a baby / to stay married?

I’m financially self-sufficient, successful in most areas of my life, not looking for marriage or children with someone and articulate and quite assertive about my desires. I have non-bdsm options for sex if I want them (as do most women). No one could be certain that my sexual preferences aren’t borne out of some kind of trauma / self-esteem issue but I don’t think they’d be unreasonable to believe me when I state my consent to something. But a good dominant partner will also put the brakes on if they feel that something will be too much for you, even if you’re asking for it.

gannett · 01/06/2025 14:48

Still patiently waiting for the anti-kink (and anti-sex tbh) crew to acknowledge that dominant women exist? Or are we just going to be called mentally damaged, like submissive women.

We are truly back in the days when any sexual desire at all was seen as evidence of deviancy and derangement in women. Please just stop pretending this is any sort of "feminism" or that you have women's interests at heart at all.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 01/06/2025 14:42

thestudio · 01/06/2025 14:32

The thing is - how would a 'dominant' man know for absolute sure that his submissive 'partner' were truly consenting from a position of strength, stability and self-worth?

They can't.

And they don't care. That's part of the thrill. It's the whole fucking point.

They're sadists. They only limit it to the realm of sexuality because they'd be arrested otherwise.

How would any man or woman know for absolute sure their partner is fully consenting and into any kind of sex?

thestudio · 01/06/2025 14:32

The thing is - how would a 'dominant' man know for absolute sure that his submissive 'partner' were truly consenting from a position of strength, stability and self-worth?

They can't.

And they don't care. That's part of the thrill. It's the whole fucking point.

They're sadists. They only limit it to the realm of sexuality because they'd be arrested otherwise.

Plasticwaste · 01/06/2025 14:27

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 09:06

You're the one deciding who is a man based off anonymous posts

Do you think there aren't men on this thread? That's very naive. They love a MN sex chat. Drawn to it like ducks to bread.

So if it quacks like a sexual libertarian...

2024onwardsandup · 01/06/2025 13:51

anytipswelcome · 01/06/2025 13:35

Thanks for clarifying (I think, based on your replies?) that you don’t find the idea of a man pretending his sexual partner is a baby while having sex with her / him (or yes, a woman pretending her sexual partner is a baby while having sex with her / him) is creepy as long as she consents.

I am absolutely baffled as to how you can hold that opinion, and find it a troubling one to say the least, but it is obviously your right to do so.

Agree. It is so unbelievably grim. This is a part kf
thst man’s personality.

NeymeChenge · 01/06/2025 13:49

anytipswelcome · 01/06/2025 13:40

Some kinks cannot be participated in safely.

There is no safe way to strangle someone, for example.

https://ifas.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/There-is-No-Safe-Way-to-Strangle-Position-Statement-September-2024-5.pdf

I don’t disagree. Some people have fetishes for cutting off body parts and/or being cannibalized; there’s no safe way to do that. Someone else brought up feederism— obviously harmful.

Personally I like a hand on my throat without any actual strangulation going on (because actual strangulation makes me panic) because I like the idea that my partner could do that if they wanted to. It gives a little thrill, but also establishes intimacy in a way, because you’re trusting your partner not to actually harm you.

anytipswelcome · 01/06/2025 13:40

NeymeChenge · 01/06/2025 13:21

The whole thing about consent and safe words is that the other person stops whatever they’re doing if they don’t like it or aren’t okay (or just need to pause the scene for whatever reason.) Just like if someone didn’t want to participate in an aspect of a kink and expressed to their partner they don’t want that, and their partner doesn’t do it.

I also think it’s silly to assume people participating in kink don’t actually know what they want or how to do it safely.

Some kinks cannot be participated in safely.

There is no safe way to strangle someone, for example.

https://ifas.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/There-is-No-Safe-Way-to-Strangle-Position-Statement-September-2024-5.pdf

NeymeChenge · 01/06/2025 13:38

StormyPotatoes · 01/06/2025 13:33

I don’t think that’s silly at all. Many people (women) have ended up doing things they aren’t really happy about to make their partner happy. I’m hardly alone in consenting to something and hating it but not really knowing how to back out again. It can take a lot of confidence to advocate for yourself properly (we see it on here constantly and that’s just saying no to dinner plans - not feeling the immense pressure to please a partner).

And I will add that ‘safe words’ are completely irrelevant when it comes to choking. Even signalling can be difficult to make that clear and understood.

Edited

Yes, sometimes people are push overs and people pleasers. It doesn’t logically follow that all people engaging in kink are people pleasers and doing things they don’t want. It’s important that you feel comfortable and safe with your kink partner, and that you make them feel the same way, so that both of you know you can object without consequence.

It can also take a lot of confidence to tell your partner you have a kink and want to engage in it with them.

When you can’t speak in a scene, it’s vital to establish a cue that’s extremely difficult to miss and is out of place with the scene, just like safe words are completely out of place.

anytipswelcome · 01/06/2025 13:37

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 12:58

Why is the man creepy but not the woman?

Calling someone Daddy isn't asking them to pretend you're literally their dad btw

I would describe an adult of either sex pretending to have sex with a child / baby as ‘creepy’.

I would describe an adult of either sex pretending to be a child / baby being raped (because that’s what sex with a child / baby would be, obviously) as incredibly vulnerable.

anytipswelcome · 01/06/2025 13:35

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 13:01

DD/lg (or DM/lg or DM/lb or DD/lb because it isn't specifically just men wanting women to be babies) relationships often go far beyond just sexual and (since this is the standard we apparently judge by) are often very, very deeply caring relationships of mutual trust, consent and affection

It's not pedophilia and it's disingenuous to make those assumptions about ADULTS doing something

Thanks for clarifying (I think, based on your replies?) that you don’t find the idea of a man pretending his sexual partner is a baby while having sex with her / him (or yes, a woman pretending her sexual partner is a baby while having sex with her / him) is creepy as long as she consents.

I am absolutely baffled as to how you can hold that opinion, and find it a troubling one to say the least, but it is obviously your right to do so.

StormyPotatoes · 01/06/2025 13:33

NeymeChenge · 01/06/2025 13:21

The whole thing about consent and safe words is that the other person stops whatever they’re doing if they don’t like it or aren’t okay (or just need to pause the scene for whatever reason.) Just like if someone didn’t want to participate in an aspect of a kink and expressed to their partner they don’t want that, and their partner doesn’t do it.

I also think it’s silly to assume people participating in kink don’t actually know what they want or how to do it safely.

I don’t think that’s silly at all. Many people (women) have ended up doing things they aren’t really happy about to make their partner happy. I’m hardly alone in consenting to something and hating it but not really knowing how to back out again. It can take a lot of confidence to advocate for yourself properly (we see it on here constantly and that’s just saying no to dinner plans - not feeling the immense pressure to please a partner).

And I will add that ‘safe words’ are completely irrelevant when it comes to choking. Even signalling can be difficult to make that clear and understood.

whitewineandsun · 01/06/2025 13:24

NeymeChenge · 01/06/2025 13:21

The whole thing about consent and safe words is that the other person stops whatever they’re doing if they don’t like it or aren’t okay (or just need to pause the scene for whatever reason.) Just like if someone didn’t want to participate in an aspect of a kink and expressed to their partner they don’t want that, and their partner doesn’t do it.

I also think it’s silly to assume people participating in kink don’t actually know what they want or how to do it safely.

All of this.

NeymeChenge · 01/06/2025 13:21

ARainyNightInSoho · 01/06/2025 13:12

Several people on here seem to think that consent is a simple, unproblematic thing. But people consent to things that they don’t really want, or things that are not in their best interests all the time! And sometimes they don’t even know they don’t really want it. They consent because it’s difficult to say no, because it seems normal as everyone around them appears to be doing it (or social media gives that impression) or because they want to be a ‘cool girl’.

We all consent to things every day that we aren’t really fully on board with. Tasks at work, wife-work, things to keep our family and friends on board and to maintain a quiet life. Women used to routinely consent to ‘obey’ their husbands on marriage. Someone consenting to something is not the ultimate sign that it’s fine. The ultimate decider should be whether something is right or wrong. Choking someone or hitting them is wrong. That’s it really. I am not at all persuaded that having lots of consenting rules around violence in a relationship makes it ok. Insisting that you talk about it, you have safe words etc etc is like a perfume spray to cover a bad smell. The smell is still there.

And to answer the OP. Yes, of course what you do in the bedroom reflects your broader character. We are what we do. Whether that is at a work meeting, a family meal, at the pub or in the bedroom. That principle is what is meant by integrity. Being a whole person whose character and personality is congruent with their actions. We should all strive to have integrity. It’s the secret and key to good mental health and happiness.

The whole thing about consent and safe words is that the other person stops whatever they’re doing if they don’t like it or aren’t okay (or just need to pause the scene for whatever reason.) Just like if someone didn’t want to participate in an aspect of a kink and expressed to their partner they don’t want that, and their partner doesn’t do it.

I also think it’s silly to assume people participating in kink don’t actually know what they want or how to do it safely.

Dangermoo · 01/06/2025 13:18

What about women who act out being lesbians for sad men, who have never grown up? I'm not talking about trafficked sex workers. I'm referring to porn 'stars' who aren't gay but will go down on another woman because it pays well. Are you attributing some behaviour to them or is it just men who get the scrutiny? What does that say about those women in their every day behaviour? Can they just act out fantasies for men and leave that in the bedroom studio? i know i couldn't perform oral on another woman for any amount of money. This isnt a gay bashing post before that one gets thrown out.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 01/06/2025 13:15

ARainyNightInSoho · 01/06/2025 13:12

Several people on here seem to think that consent is a simple, unproblematic thing. But people consent to things that they don’t really want, or things that are not in their best interests all the time! And sometimes they don’t even know they don’t really want it. They consent because it’s difficult to say no, because it seems normal as everyone around them appears to be doing it (or social media gives that impression) or because they want to be a ‘cool girl’.

We all consent to things every day that we aren’t really fully on board with. Tasks at work, wife-work, things to keep our family and friends on board and to maintain a quiet life. Women used to routinely consent to ‘obey’ their husbands on marriage. Someone consenting to something is not the ultimate sign that it’s fine. The ultimate decider should be whether something is right or wrong. Choking someone or hitting them is wrong. That’s it really. I am not at all persuaded that having lots of consenting rules around violence in a relationship makes it ok. Insisting that you talk about it, you have safe words etc etc is like a perfume spray to cover a bad smell. The smell is still there.

And to answer the OP. Yes, of course what you do in the bedroom reflects your broader character. We are what we do. Whether that is at a work meeting, a family meal, at the pub or in the bedroom. That principle is what is meant by integrity. Being a whole person whose character and personality is congruent with their actions. We should all strive to have integrity. It’s the secret and key to good mental health and happiness.

So what does it say about a person if they enjoy anal and /or oral? Because OP has an issue with these things too (as well as swinging, threesomes).

NeymeChenge · 01/06/2025 13:13

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 13:01

DD/lg (or DM/lg or DM/lb or DD/lb because it isn't specifically just men wanting women to be babies) relationships often go far beyond just sexual and (since this is the standard we apparently judge by) are often very, very deeply caring relationships of mutual trust, consent and affection

It's not pedophilia and it's disingenuous to make those assumptions about ADULTS doing something

How can you pretend someone is a child and have sex with them, though?

ARainyNightInSoho · 01/06/2025 13:12

Several people on here seem to think that consent is a simple, unproblematic thing. But people consent to things that they don’t really want, or things that are not in their best interests all the time! And sometimes they don’t even know they don’t really want it. They consent because it’s difficult to say no, because it seems normal as everyone around them appears to be doing it (or social media gives that impression) or because they want to be a ‘cool girl’.

We all consent to things every day that we aren’t really fully on board with. Tasks at work, wife-work, things to keep our family and friends on board and to maintain a quiet life. Women used to routinely consent to ‘obey’ their husbands on marriage. Someone consenting to something is not the ultimate sign that it’s fine. The ultimate decider should be whether something is right or wrong. Choking someone or hitting them is wrong. That’s it really. I am not at all persuaded that having lots of consenting rules around violence in a relationship makes it ok. Insisting that you talk about it, you have safe words etc etc is like a perfume spray to cover a bad smell. The smell is still there.

And to answer the OP. Yes, of course what you do in the bedroom reflects your broader character. We are what we do. Whether that is at a work meeting, a family meal, at the pub or in the bedroom. That principle is what is meant by integrity. Being a whole person whose character and personality is congruent with their actions. We should all strive to have integrity. It’s the secret and key to good mental health and happiness.

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 13:02

LHR2JFK · 01/06/2025 12:33

As I say, in thrall to [your] kink.

As I say, close minded and pick and chose what counts as acceptable "harm"

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 13:01

anytipswelcome · 01/06/2025 10:13

Sorry to be clear I meant pretending to be the dad of the little girl / baby character in that scenario. I can’t get my head around anyone saying that isn’t creepy but @HuffleMyPuffleseems to think that as long as it is consensual it can’t be described as creepy.

DD/lg (or DM/lg or DM/lb or DD/lb because it isn't specifically just men wanting women to be babies) relationships often go far beyond just sexual and (since this is the standard we apparently judge by) are often very, very deeply caring relationships of mutual trust, consent and affection

It's not pedophilia and it's disingenuous to make those assumptions about ADULTS doing something

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 12:58

anytipswelcome · 01/06/2025 10:02

Surely even if consensual you feel some kinks are ‘creepy’ @HuffleMyPuffle?

Say a man likes his partner to pretend to be a little girl or baby while he has sex with her, or pretends to be her dad while he has sex with her, and she consents. Do you really not find that creepy?

I feel like because you want to defend the kink community in general, you’re disregarding examples that are very troubling.

Why is the man creepy but not the woman?

Calling someone Daddy isn't asking them to pretend you're literally their dad btw

LHR2JFK · 01/06/2025 12:33

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 09:15

Have I "defended anything"?

Because I'm pretty sure I, and others, have stated time and time again that consent is key and that anyone using kink as a front for abuse etc is not "someone with a kink" but an abuser

There are plenty of completely legitimate hobbies which can accidentally result in someone's death if not practiced safely or if an accident occurs. You don't go around calling all of them morally corrupt...

Death by strangulation during sex is called "death by misadventure" and has been so for a while.

You really cannot tell if someone is a "dangerous person" just because they like some extreme kinks. It's called prejudice

As I say, in thrall to [your] kink.

HuffleMyPuffle · 01/06/2025 12:31

MsDDxx · 01/06/2025 09:49

Not in my view.

She's even said and it was pretty obvious to me

ManyATrueWord · 01/06/2025 10:15

Agreed. Men who get off on violating women will bring that into the rest of life. Same with those who think of women as objects or like hurting women. Sex is a part of us. Kinks and perversions are part of your brain and you cannot leave your brain out of the rest of your life.

Dangermoo · 01/06/2025 10:14

ClaudeShowers · 31/05/2025 16:22

I have only been involved sexually with one person who had a kink that he preferred above all else, including straight sex. I was open minded about it. But actually it was really boring. He seemed to me like a train journey that had to run only on tracks, the route was always the same. And his character is exactly like this, he’s passing NT but actually he’s a hamster on a wheel living a repetition compulsion. His sexuality was a reflection 100% of who he was as a person.

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