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To think someone's sexual predilections reflects on their broader character?

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MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:11

Just that really. I feel like I came of age in a time when we were encouraged to believe that someone's 'intimate preferences' were just that, and that they were completely isolated from that persons wider self and personality. I just don't think that's true though. I suppose I'm wondering two things here, firstly if IABU I'm thinking this now but secondly - am I the only one who has felt the pressure not to judge someone on what 'they're into' providing it was always fully consensual.

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ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 11:47

MounjaroMounjaro · 31/05/2025 11:41

But I don't think a normal person wants to hit people. I don't think normal people will have an orgasm when they've hurt someone.

This response is problematic. Calling someone “not normal” for liking something you don’t isn’t adding to the debate, and isn’t fair.

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 11:47

MounjaroMounjaro · 31/05/2025 11:41

But I don't think a normal person wants to hit people. I don't think normal people will have an orgasm when they've hurt someone.

I don't hit people who don't want to be hit. I hit people who want to be hit and have asked me to hit them.
At a very basic level, hitting can release endorphins, which feel nice. When someone feels nice, they make excited faces and noises. Those excited faces and noises are pleasing, and maybe arousing. It's not always that deep.

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:46

DontTouchRoach · 31/05/2025 11:44

It’s about consent, though. Getting off on hurting someone who gets pleasure from being hurt is very different from getting off on hurting someone who hates it and wants it to stop.

But often it involves a pretense of hating it and wanting it to stop. It's a simulation of that scenario

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Weclomehome · 31/05/2025 11:46

Ive never thought of this before but it's an interesting discussion. I think that it would depend on the fetish/kink, for example a shoe or foot i don't think would really say anything about them as a person day-to-day, but if you're into degradation of yourself or a partner during sex then it probably does tell you something about them as a person and how they value themselves or others.

Dangermoo · 31/05/2025 11:45

I was once told by a psychologist that we are all. All capable of torture. Interesting.

DontTouchRoach · 31/05/2025 11:44

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:26

So if someone gets off on hurting someone, it doesn't affect their broader character? There way that speaks to some kind of sickness in their soul (for want of a better term). If you really believe this can you explain why? Why is this aspect so segregated from the rest of the person? Surely it doesn't linger there in isolation

It’s about consent, though. Getting off on hurting someone who gets pleasure from being hurt is very different from getting off on hurting someone who hates it and wants it to stop.

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:44

Honon · 31/05/2025 11:29

I disagree with this, it's not reflective of my personal experience and is a simplistic way of reading the development of someone's sexuality, which is complex and not really understood by science yet. Most people with kinks couldn't tell you how they formed them but it's certainly not as straightforward as "I hate women deep down so I want to degrade them in the bedroom".

Similarly it's very common for women to want to be dominated sexually, this doesn't mean they are complete doormats in other areas of life, it's just not that straightforward.

I think my issue is that a good person would not indulge fantasies that involve degrading or hurting women. They would invest in trying to develop better expressions of sexuality. Rather than lean into it and the inevitable ratchet effect

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BountifulPantry · 31/05/2025 11:43

I think it’s an interesting question about where kinks/ preferences come from.

There’s a massive difference between someone who likes their partners feet and someone who commits criminal offences. The law reflects that.

I actually do think some kinks are strictly bedroom with consenting adults only. Others perhaps do bleed into real life in a negative way. Surely this is based on the character of the individuals involved?

MounjaroMounjaro · 31/05/2025 11:41

But I don't think a normal person wants to hit people. I don't think normal people will have an orgasm when they've hurt someone.

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 11:38

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:30

But there is a psychology behind it. Some seem to believe they simply appear in a vacuum

There is a psychology.

Maybe more people with kinks would be more willing to talk about it if people didn't start talking about 'trangressions' and peados and rapists in the same breath as the question.

I like to hit and (sometimes) be hit. My friends know all about my reasonings/psychology behind it because I talk about it a lot. They're also not assuming that I'm some kind of psycho because of it, and that IRL I'm just a normal person.

MounjaroMounjaro · 31/05/2025 11:38

I agree with you, OP, particularly if the guy is into hurting women, choking women or underage people.

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:30

menopausalfart · 31/05/2025 11:11

Understanding the psychology behind a person's kinks is hugely complex. Unless you've studied this area, you're not going to find many relevant answers on here.

But there is a psychology behind it. Some seem to believe they simply appear in a vacuum

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Honon · 31/05/2025 11:29

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:37

I am not - I am saying that if men get thrills from degrading women, or indeed being degraded - that this trait surely must bleed into or manifest in other ways. That they can't otherwise be a good guy

I disagree with this, it's not reflective of my personal experience and is a simplistic way of reading the development of someone's sexuality, which is complex and not really understood by science yet. Most people with kinks couldn't tell you how they formed them but it's certainly not as straightforward as "I hate women deep down so I want to degrade them in the bedroom".

Similarly it's very common for women to want to be dominated sexually, this doesn't mean they are complete doormats in other areas of life, it's just not that straightforward.

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 11:29

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 11:15

I'm not sure I've got the psychology skills to analyse your fictional woman I'm afraid.

I probably could give you a run down of my sexual preferences and what they say about me, but I won't. I don't think it's necessary for the conversation and I just don't really want to discuss my predilections with a (quite aggressive) stranger on the internet.

What do you think it says about your character that you're the only one on the thread who's referenced 'moral superiority' a number of times and also the only who has asked both the OP and now me to describe our sex lives to you? I think that's probably a far more interesting question that what I like in bed tbh!

OPs sex life and her views on sex are entirely relevant to the thread. See, the OP has stated that those of us who do have some kinks/fetishes are 'transgressing', which implies a moral boundary. I'm just really trying to understand where that boundary is. I for instance don't participate in some sexual activities as I think for me personally they are degrading. I do some things which would make your eyes water. I just want to understand exactly where I'm going wrong. If I took my foot out of my partner's mouth, and instead swallowed his ejaculate, would that be okay? How do I stop transgressing?

I find it really interesting that OP would come on here and cast her judgement far and wide about other people's sex lives, without being willing to discuss her own.

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 11:25

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:17

But that's the thing

OP is making out kinks define you as a person

Which they don't

They are just a part of you

They aren't YOU

I agree, they don't define you in isolation. People are extremely complicated, no-one is only their kink, but everyone's kink is a part of them.

For example, I don't think that every man who watches rape porn or acts out rape fantasies with a consenting partner will go on to become a rapist. But if you look at the internet history/past behaviour of a rapist you will almost certainly find rape porn/rape play in there. Enjoying a woman saying 'no' while you penetrate her doesn't dictate that you become a rapist, but it's certainly a red flag for future behaviour.

pinkdelight · 31/05/2025 11:21

womanwithissues · 31/05/2025 10:35

I think you cannot choose what turns you on. I have known many "kinky" people and plenty of them felt guilt and shame at what they liked sexually. Although they did it consensually they still struggled with the desires because of the fear that they would be judged just as you are judging OP. And I can speak from personal and practical experience - some of the nicest people I've known have sexual predilections that would make you blush.

Completely agree with this.

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 11:21

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:37

I am not - I am saying that if men get thrills from degrading women, or indeed being degraded - that this trait surely must bleed into or manifest in other ways. That they can't otherwise be a good guy

You’re talking crap , it’s like pp said , if you like to play Dom/Sub , does that mean whoever likes to play dom in the bedroom has a controlling personality outside of the bedroom ( no it doesn’t ! ) or the submissive in real life, is meek & needs to be constantly guided in life ?? as in has that type of personality .. Also no ..
People have kinks, & enjoy certain things sexually that has no reflection on their personality ….

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:21

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:05

You already know. You do know. You pretend you don't but there wouldn't be such a frisson associated with transgression if you weren't acutely aware of what you were transgressing.

This is coming across now as some quasi religious BS of shame

User32459 · 31/05/2025 11:20

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:26

So if someone gets off on hurting someone, it doesn't affect their broader character? There way that speaks to some kind of sickness in their soul (for want of a better term). If you really believe this can you explain why? Why is this aspect so segregated from the rest of the person? Surely it doesn't linger there in isolation

It depends on what it is. Look at Tate. He's all about being degrading and violent to women sexually and that's the kind of person he is.

A good therapist/psychologist could likely break down someone's sexual kinks in relation to their overall personality.

Holly485 · 31/05/2025 11:18

Are you talking with a particular person in mind OP? An ex that liked weird shit in bed and turned out to be horrible all round? I'm not sure where you're going with this?

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:18

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:11

Age play is creepy

It may not be for you, it doesn't make it creepy

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:17

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 11:06

They don't dictate every facet of your personality, but they do of course contribute to who you are more widely. Every single thing you do /think/feel is a part of you are, including what turns you on sexually, what you do with an intimate partner, what you read/watch/search for on the internet. It's all a part of who you are.

The idea that sexual kinks exist in a seperate bubble and are no reflection of/have no impact on who you are is laughable.

But that's the thing

OP is making out kinks define you as a person

Which they don't

They are just a part of you

They aren't YOU

Dangermoo · 31/05/2025 11:17

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:11

Age play is creepy

Creepy but not illegal.

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 11:16

OP i find use of the word “transgression” interesting. It implies you believe there are some moral rules when it comes to sex…

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 11:15

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 11:06

Okay, so take a woman who enjoys putting her partners penis in her mouth, likes missionary sex with no extras, and doesn't ever insist on orgasming herself. (I insist every time, I'm just dreaming up a 'standard' sex life - sorry if I got it wrong. Not in to boring sex myself)

What assumptions can we make about this woman and how does it reflect on her character? Could you give me a run down of your sex life and tell me what it says about you?

I'm not sure I've got the psychology skills to analyse your fictional woman I'm afraid.

I probably could give you a run down of my sexual preferences and what they say about me, but I won't. I don't think it's necessary for the conversation and I just don't really want to discuss my predilections with a (quite aggressive) stranger on the internet.

What do you think it says about your character that you're the only one on the thread who's referenced 'moral superiority' a number of times and also the only who has asked both the OP and now me to describe our sex lives to you? I think that's probably a far more interesting question that what I like in bed tbh!

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