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To think someone's sexual predilections reflects on their broader character?

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MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:11

Just that really. I feel like I came of age in a time when we were encouraged to believe that someone's 'intimate preferences' were just that, and that they were completely isolated from that persons wider self and personality. I just don't think that's true though. I suppose I'm wondering two things here, firstly if IABU I'm thinking this now but secondly - am I the only one who has felt the pressure not to judge someone on what 'they're into' providing it was always fully consensual.

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pinkdelight · 31/05/2025 12:20

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:11

Of course I do. I don't think it's good for those involved to be doing anything scatological, or simulating historical racial disparities or all manner of activities. If adults wanted to consent to acting out what that man from the LostProphets did - I would think they were wrong to be doing so. And I'm fascinated by those who argue otherwise

How can you conflate consenting adults with what the Lost Prophets guy did? Either they're consenting adults and it's all an act or they're doing what he did and there's a non-consenting non-adult involved. To mix the two things is just falsely stacking your argument to make the former seem akin to the latter in the most extreme and pretty sick way. But consenting adults acting out is simply that and no one else is getting hurt or even aware of what they're doing with each other.

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 31/05/2025 12:20

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 10:30

Well you brought it up.

Do tell. What sexual positions do you enjoy and how do you think they reflect on you as a person?

I don’t think she’s on about positions, more people that want to have their sexual partner role play a defenceless baby. Come on now.

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:13

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 12:03

And what are your own opinions on what they do ? What’s your view on “kinks”? Are they all transgressions and immoral or are some ok?

I don't think it's good for the people involved. It doesn't contribute to their flourishing. But they are free to do it.

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Greenfinch7 · 31/05/2025 12:12

pinkdelight · 31/05/2025 12:09

People who think of themselves as balanced and healthy often seem to be the least self-aware. Gotta wonder what they're hiding from themselves.

Lol, if you are referring to me- I never said I was balanced or healthy-

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:11

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 12:04

So there some acts between consenting adults that you do think are wrong?

Of course I do. I don't think it's good for those involved to be doing anything scatological, or simulating historical racial disparities or all manner of activities. If adults wanted to consent to acting out what that man from the LostProphets did - I would think they were wrong to be doing so. And I'm fascinated by those who argue otherwise

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pinkdelight · 31/05/2025 12:09

Greenfinch7 · 31/05/2025 12:03

This seems to me to be a good example. People whose jobs and sex lives are built on inequality; people who spend their lives in a world dictated by hierarchy are people who do not seem balanced and healthy to me.

People who think of themselves as balanced and healthy often seem to be the least self-aware. Gotta wonder what they're hiding from themselves.

LoveSandbanks · 31/05/2025 12:07

I'll admit to having a very vanilla sex life but I think There are kinks and kinks. Generally speaking practicing your kink with a consenting partner, in private, is none of anyone's business and really doesn't say anything about you. If you and your partner practice ethical monogamy, fair play to you. If you're into swinging and sex parties or role play that's entirely up to you. If a "kink" involves using prostitutes, for example, then you demonstrate that you're happy to pay to use someone else's body and that does speak of your general character (in my opinion)

If your kink involves dishonesty, then yes I do think that speaks of your general character.

On the other hand I suspect that many people have fantasies and kinks they never explore because they're just not brave enough so you could say that practicing your kink does speak of your character but in a positive way - it is brave and courageous to explore that side of yourself

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 12:04

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:02

There is a difference. It just don't think it's as big a difference as the people engaged in these activities would like.

So there some acts between consenting adults that you do think are wrong?

Greenfinch7 · 31/05/2025 12:03

blacksantanapkin · 31/05/2025 10:55

I remember a programme years ago called ‘my phone sex secrets’ or something like that about women who worked on adult chat-lines, and the dominatrix type lady said it was often men in fairly high power jobs who spent all day being dominant themselves who were clients.

This seems to me to be a good example. People whose jobs and sex lives are built on inequality; people who spend their lives in a world dictated by hierarchy are people who do not seem balanced and healthy to me.

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 12:03

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:01

I'm not prohibiting anyone from doing anything. But it seems like you don't think I'm entitled to have my own opinions about what they do. I've seen David Lynch films. I know you walk among us.

And what are your own opinions on what they do ? What’s your view on “kinks”? Are they all transgressions and immoral or are some ok?

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:02

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 12:00

But consent makes a huge difference!

Hitting someone in a scene where they have control and can stop it and then cuddling afterwards as aftercare is not the same as battering your partner because they forgot the milk and they are shielding themselves from you and begging you to stop and then going "I only do it because I love you"

One can find the first exciting and still be appalled by the second.

If you can't see why consent makes a difference then it's a you problem

There is a difference. It just don't think it's as big a difference as the people engaged in these activities would like.

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MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:01

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 11:53

And yes. I am a normal person. I live in a 'naice' area, in a nice house, with a nice job. I'm an upstanding member of society and if you met me you'd probably think I'm pleasant enough. I'm not mean or cruel to anyone IRL. I walk among you. But then I'm also a woman. Are women allowed to have kinks or is it just men with them we don't like? Because actually my husband is a normal person too. Promise.

I'm not prohibiting anyone from doing anything. But it seems like you don't think I'm entitled to have my own opinions about what they do. I've seen David Lynch films. I know you walk among us.

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HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 12:00

Weclomehome · 31/05/2025 11:47

It's different in that the person has a level of self - control and boundaries which is important but it still tells you that they enjoy and actually get turned on by physically hurting someone else, even if the other person consents.

But consent makes a huge difference!

Hitting someone in a scene where they have control and can stop it and then cuddling afterwards as aftercare is not the same as battering your partner because they forgot the milk and they are shielding themselves from you and begging you to stop and then going "I only do it because I love you"

One can find the first exciting and still be appalled by the second.

If you can't see why consent makes a difference then it's a you problem

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:57

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:55

It's interesting to pick up you only speak about hurting WOMEN

When a well-known kink subset is women who hurt men...

Almost like you have an agenda

Are you trying to tell me that women en masse are watching porn where men are hurt? Because I don't believe that. That porn is made for men.

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MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:56

Dangermoo · 31/05/2025 11:45

I was once told by a psychologist that we are all. All capable of torture. Interesting.

Yes we are. The line between good and evil runs through every heart. I thought this was a mundane truism?

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menopausalfart · 31/05/2025 11:56

@MonTuesWeds I can't see where anyone has said that kinks appear in a vacuum. Of course they are a part of who you are. As I said, though, the answers you're looking for are incredibly complex.

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:55

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:44

I think my issue is that a good person would not indulge fantasies that involve degrading or hurting women. They would invest in trying to develop better expressions of sexuality. Rather than lean into it and the inevitable ratchet effect

It's interesting to pick up you only speak about hurting WOMEN

When a well-known kink subset is women who hurt men...

Almost like you have an agenda

pinkdelight · 31/05/2025 11:54

Weclomehome · 31/05/2025 11:46

Ive never thought of this before but it's an interesting discussion. I think that it would depend on the fetish/kink, for example a shoe or foot i don't think would really say anything about them as a person day-to-day, but if you're into degradation of yourself or a partner during sex then it probably does tell you something about them as a person and how they value themselves or others.

if you're into degradation of yourself or a partner during sex then it probably does tell you something about them as a person and how they value themselves or others.

That is such overly simplistic reasoning I don't know where to start, except to say that whatever you think it tells you is likely to be very wide of the mark.

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 11:53

And yes. I am a normal person. I live in a 'naice' area, in a nice house, with a nice job. I'm an upstanding member of society and if you met me you'd probably think I'm pleasant enough. I'm not mean or cruel to anyone IRL. I walk among you. But then I'm also a woman. Are women allowed to have kinks or is it just men with them we don't like? Because actually my husband is a normal person too. Promise.

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:52

MounjaroMounjaro · 31/05/2025 11:41

But I don't think a normal person wants to hit people. I don't think normal people will have an orgasm when they've hurt someone.

Who are you to decide what is "normal"?

Are you saying boxers and martial artists and stunt people are not normal because they hit people, or pretend to?

AgnesX · 31/05/2025 11:51

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:26

So if someone gets off on hurting someone, it doesn't affect their broader character? There way that speaks to some kind of sickness in their soul (for want of a better term). If you really believe this can you explain why? Why is this aspect so segregated from the rest of the person? Surely it doesn't linger there in isolation

What if someone gets off on being hurt or subjugated which seems to be a thing.

So, no, I don't think it follows someone out of the bedroom unless it's in a very abstract fashion.

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:50

MounjaroMounjaro · 31/05/2025 11:38

I agree with you, OP, particularly if the guy is into hurting women, choking women or underage people.

Being into underage people isn't a kink...

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:50

We don't know where kinks come from

I'll tell you a story.

The first time I experience "excitement" from a kink was watching a FAMILY film where a character gets whipped (it was Will Turner in Dead Man's Chest). It caused a reaction in me I didn't understand until much later because at the time I wasn't familiar with the kink world. Nothing "influenced" me beyond the fact I found it exciting.

I don't and have never gone around whipping people for fun however...

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 11:49

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:44

I think my issue is that a good person would not indulge fantasies that involve degrading or hurting women. They would invest in trying to develop better expressions of sexuality. Rather than lean into it and the inevitable ratchet effect

Inevitable ratchet effect?

so someone fantasising will inevitably progress to acting out and then doing something bad/harmful? That’s not correct at all

Weclomehome · 31/05/2025 11:47

DontTouchRoach · 31/05/2025 11:44

It’s about consent, though. Getting off on hurting someone who gets pleasure from being hurt is very different from getting off on hurting someone who hates it and wants it to stop.

It's different in that the person has a level of self - control and boundaries which is important but it still tells you that they enjoy and actually get turned on by physically hurting someone else, even if the other person consents.

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