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To think someone's sexual predilections reflects on their broader character?

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MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 10:11

Just that really. I feel like I came of age in a time when we were encouraged to believe that someone's 'intimate preferences' were just that, and that they were completely isolated from that persons wider self and personality. I just don't think that's true though. I suppose I'm wondering two things here, firstly if IABU I'm thinking this now but secondly - am I the only one who has felt the pressure not to judge someone on what 'they're into' providing it was always fully consensual.

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OkPedro · 31/05/2025 13:42

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 11:38

There is a psychology.

Maybe more people with kinks would be more willing to talk about it if people didn't start talking about 'trangressions' and peados and rapists in the same breath as the question.

I like to hit and (sometimes) be hit. My friends know all about my reasonings/psychology behind it because I talk about it a lot. They're also not assuming that I'm some kind of psycho because of it, and that IRL I'm just a normal person.

Why do you "talk about it a lot" ? to your friends? I think that's what a few pps were talking about getting off on talking about your kinks

AbsolutelyragingImsocross · 31/05/2025 13:39

Oh thank goodness @FruityCider I can stop raging now.
The sarcasm went right over my head. Apparently I need it to slap me in the face before I notice it!

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 13:30

AbsolutelyragingImsocross · 31/05/2025 13:14

You’re entitled to your own boundaries and preferences, but calling women who enjoy oral sex “insecure” or accusing them of “perpetuating the patriarchy” is insulting, reductive, and frankly, misogynistic. Sexual acts aren’t inherently degrading—it’s the attitude behind them that matters. What’s degrading is the idea that women can't make empowered choices about their own sexuality without being pathologized.
Just because something isn't for you doesn’t mean it’s wrong or shameful for others. If you really care about dismantling the patriarchy, try starting by not judging other women for what they choose to do with their own bodies.

I'm sorry that the dripping sarcasm of my post wasn't obvious. I absolutely agree with what you said. I don't really or actually judge/think ill women who do it, or I'd think ill of nearly everyone - it's very common!

Glad that you agree that it's nobodies business but the person who's doing it. I like hitting and being hit, I like being called names and calling other people names. Plus a lot of other things that would make people on here squirm. It's not inherently degrading. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person, or that any of the lovely men I've met who like to hit me are bad people.

Again, I was being very sarcastic to make a point and think I've made it.

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 13:28

TasWair · 31/05/2025 13:19

Even with this opinion, I think you have to acknowledge that choking has gone wrong many times, and women have been strangled whilst having sex. Your laughing emojis are in poor taste.

Yes , you are right ..
I should have thought of that before I posted ..
Sadly , that occurs too ..
When things are taken too far ..
I just meant normally , that’s all …

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 13:23

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 13:16

Unfortunately, I don't think women being choked against their will or to death is as rare as we might hope. Certainly, not rare enough for it to be something so funny it makes you cry laughing. That's probably something you should address with someone!

Sense of humour also tells us a lot about people.

You do know PP , you are going way off topic here ..
Who is saying against someone’s will !
You stated that men who like to strangle women are not nice men , but the whole topic is what people are into in the bedroom consensually .. Op thinking it’s a reflection of a person’s personality what they are into sexually..
Clearly, you joined the chat later than everyone else ..

TasWair · 31/05/2025 13:19

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 13:02

😂 😂 Strangling, I’m sure you’ll find it’s more choking , & not aggressively, & the woman has asked for him to do it ..
Can’t see many just lying there to be strangled some how 😂 😂

Even with this opinion, I think you have to acknowledge that choking has gone wrong many times, and women have been strangled whilst having sex. Your laughing emojis are in poor taste.

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 13:16

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 13:14

I’m saying in general , play sex , choking & all that with every day couples . Doesn’t mean the guy is not a nice guy !
You’re talking extreme & rare cases ..

Unfortunately, I don't think women being choked against their will or to death is as rare as we might hope. Certainly, not rare enough for it to be something so funny it makes you cry laughing. That's probably something you should address with someone!

Sense of humour also tells us a lot about people.

whitewineandsun · 31/05/2025 13:16

SeaFloor · 31/05/2025 10:24

You mean, if you like to submit in bed, are you in fact a cringing, put-upon type who can’t say boo to a goose in RL?

If that's what OP means, it's a laughable take.

AbsolutelyragingImsocross · 31/05/2025 13:14

FruityCider · 31/05/2025 10:49

In some ways I agree. For instance I do not perform oral sex on men because I feel it's degrading. I'm presuming that noone who has this morally superior sex life would ever think of something as disgusting as putting a penis in their mouth. They pee out of those holes! I think women who enjoy that must be insecure and are in many ways perpetuating the patriarchy.

You’re entitled to your own boundaries and preferences, but calling women who enjoy oral sex “insecure” or accusing them of “perpetuating the patriarchy” is insulting, reductive, and frankly, misogynistic. Sexual acts aren’t inherently degrading—it’s the attitude behind them that matters. What’s degrading is the idea that women can't make empowered choices about their own sexuality without being pathologized.
Just because something isn't for you doesn’t mean it’s wrong or shameful for others. If you really care about dismantling the patriarchy, try starting by not judging other women for what they choose to do with their own bodies.

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 13:14

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 13:08

Given that women have died when the line between choking and strangling has been crossed, it's a strange thing to be crying laughing about.

I’m saying in general , play sex , choking & all that with every day couples . Doesn’t mean the guy is not a nice guy !
You’re talking extreme & rare cases ..

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 13:08

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 13:02

😂 😂 Strangling, I’m sure you’ll find it’s more choking , & not aggressively, & the woman has asked for him to do it ..
Can’t see many just lying there to be strangled some how 😂 😂

Given that women have died when the line between choking and strangling has been crossed, it's a strange thing to be crying laughing about.

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 13:02

2024onwardsandup · 31/05/2025 12:54

Of course they do - men who are aroused by strangling women are not nice men for example

😂 😂 Strangling, I’m sure you’ll find it’s more choking , & not aggressively, & the woman has asked for him to do it ..
Can’t see many just lying there to be strangled some how 😂 😂

2024onwardsandup · 31/05/2025 12:54

Of course they do - men who are aroused by strangling women are not nice men for example

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:51

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 12:42

This could be an interesting conversation topic but I fear the OP started this with an agenda (probably religious, that there is a “right” way to do sex and everything else is immoral)

i dont think we’ll get the open and interesting conversation we could have had…

How about I shuffle off and you can lead that conversation without my interference?

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MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:50

gannett · 31/05/2025 12:31

I actually posted before I saw the OP bring the Lostprophets guy into it. Good lord.

In the context of responding to someone asking me if anything consenting adults can do would be wrong. Good lord indeed.

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Wishing14 · 31/05/2025 12:50

I think that a lot of who we are, what we are ‘naturally’ into or drawn to is very much moulded by pornographic content, which seeps into all parts of society and media (including family films). I find it scary that many women (myself included) are (secretly or otherwise) turned on by things that can hurt or damage them, that soft, slow and loving sex feels ‘boring’ because we have seen and been exposed to/ experienced more ‘hard core’ sex. I think that the brain is malleable and the concept of pleasure and pain changes. So it might become ‘natural’ or something you can’t help/ have always felt, but that doesn’t mean you would have always had said ‘kink’ if your situation/ life/ society had been different. I don’t think anyone should take offence by people questioning sex, ethics etc. even if it is with consenting adults. Ethics is more than consent (eg it could be morally acceptable but unethical). Because as a society we are producing (and rewarding) more and more Bonnie Blues and I just don’t think that’s a ‘good’ thing (personally).

ZoggyStirdust · 31/05/2025 12:42

This could be an interesting conversation topic but I fear the OP started this with an agenda (probably religious, that there is a “right” way to do sex and everything else is immoral)

i dont think we’ll get the open and interesting conversation we could have had…

gannett · 31/05/2025 12:31

I actually posted before I saw the OP bring the Lostprophets guy into it. Good lord.

gannett · 31/05/2025 12:28

Anti-sex feminism is so tiresome. Also enraging when a false link is drawn between consensual non-vanilla sexual predilections and non-consensual sexual assault.

Yes OP, the only acceptable sex drive is vanilla and preferably for procreation purposes only. Famously no women ever have any other sort of sexual desire.

FWIW I have met many more men who wanted to be dominated than to degrade women, and know of many more women (including myself) who want to be in the dominant role. There's an inherent power dynamic to sex; some people are turned on by leaning into it, some by subverting it. It doesn't reflect on their broader character - though your judgy and reductive take certainly reflects on yours.

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 12:26

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 11:57

Are you trying to tell me that women en masse are watching porn where men are hurt? Because I don't believe that. That porn is made for men.

Watching porn is also a different thing

And not all porn is made for men

Missj25 · 31/05/2025 12:26

NuffSaidSam · 31/05/2025 11:25

I agree, they don't define you in isolation. People are extremely complicated, no-one is only their kink, but everyone's kink is a part of them.

For example, I don't think that every man who watches rape porn or acts out rape fantasies with a consenting partner will go on to become a rapist. But if you look at the internet history/past behaviour of a rapist you will almost certainly find rape porn/rape play in there. Enjoying a woman saying 'no' while you penetrate her doesn't dictate that you become a rapist, but it's certainly a red flag for future behaviour.

And sometimes things just aren’t that deep with something underlying !
I had a FWB one time & I love role play , game was , car broke down outside his house , so I knock on his door for help, he comes out , invites me in, we start to chat , before you know it we are having a few drinks, but then when I go to leave , he won’t leave me & we played rape …
It was hot & we both really enjoyed..
Everyone has a sexual side to them
Nothing sinister underneath it all , just two regular people who liked to have fun 🤷🏻‍♀️😊

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:25

pinkdelight · 31/05/2025 12:20

How can you conflate consenting adults with what the Lost Prophets guy did? Either they're consenting adults and it's all an act or they're doing what he did and there's a non-consenting non-adult involved. To mix the two things is just falsely stacking your argument to make the former seem akin to the latter in the most extreme and pretty sick way. But consenting adults acting out is simply that and no one else is getting hurt or even aware of what they're doing with each other.

Edited

I'm not conflating the two and it is really frustrating that some people can't understand what I'm saying and think I've said something I clearly haven't. I was trying to avoid being too graphic because this is a dreadful subject matter. But for the avoidance of doubt - if two consenting adults wanted to simulate the rape of an infant with one being the offender and the other the infant and they are getting enjoyment from this activity - I think that's deplorable. Maybe you deliberately chose to misunderstand me because when put so plainly it does make your position look very questionable.

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Dangermoo · 31/05/2025 12:24

OP, are you writing a thesis and looking for contributions?

ScholesPanda · 31/05/2025 12:22

I don't believe this is true- if you could accurately predict personality traits from sexual interests e.g. so and so enjoys being degraded so their personality must be xyz; then the opposite would also be true e.g. so and so has personality xyz so there's a reasonable chance they enjoy being sexually degraded.

I've seen no evidence that supports this and I don't think I could predict this for friends, colleagues etc. Then again, I don't have a prurient interest in other people's sex lives.

I also don't like the heavy dose of victim blaming inherent in this belief, or it's implications for safeguarding- so if a women complains her bf chokes her, the answer is she shouldn't have dated a dickhead, as his intentions would have been clear from his personality? And of course that guy can take the kids on a day out with no checks, he's got such a charming personality, definitely not a wrong 'un.

MonTuesWeds · 31/05/2025 12:21

HuffleMyPuffle · 31/05/2025 11:21

This is coming across now as some quasi religious BS of shame

Am I wrong?

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