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To be quietly hating my husband

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4seasons · 29/05/2025 06:23

I’ll try to keep it short. Married over 50 years , 2 adult children together. Recent major abdominal surgery for advanced ovarian cancer. Taking some time to get over this but doing ok. Had first chemo a week ago. Horrendous side effects. Last 2 days awful diarrhoea … I have a colostomy so makes life worse.
Am getting angrier and angrier with DH . Yes … he’s cooking our meals now but I did it without comment for years … including when there were 4 of us and I had a full time job .Whilst I was in the middle of a literal shit storm last night ( sorry if TMI) he was fannying around with a clip board writing down temperatures and times . Situation reversed I’d have rung for an ambulance for him but he seems very reluctant to do this . Perhaps I’m not “ ill enough yet “? Eventually he took himself off to bed ( own room ) as he was “ very tired “. I’ve been awake all night for obvious reasons and feel ill and exhausted. He’s still snoring away , nice and comfy.
I asked for an electrolyte replacement sachet yesterday. He got me blackcurrant ones … I’m allergic to blackcurrants. Got me an alternative which I took. I now see on the box it contains live bacteria … I am on chemo and not supposed to take it !!! So now I’m panicking about infection/ sepsis.
It all sounds horribly ungrateful but dear god …common sense, care. Surely it’s not too much to ask ? I’ve done it for years through his health issues.
Only a little thing , but enraging …Went downstairs ( I’ve bedbound for a few days ) …. he’s happily tucking in to a large roast lamb dinner with a glass of red . He looks irritated at my appearance and jumps up to reheat ( yes … REHEAT…. for a chemo patient) a piece of quiche for me. I didn’t realise it wasn’t freshly cooked . There just isn’t any thoughtful genuine care / concern is there ? Or am I just too ill to be rationale ??

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YourSignalFadedIntoAnotherWorld · 29/05/2025 15:23

thestudio · 29/05/2025 15:19

We are TAUGHT differently.

Putting a new fuel tank in a Land Rover is a fairly specialist skill. Giving a fuck about other human beings - especially one who has cared for you for 50 years - is not.

So in that case that can be the perfectly valid reason why OP's DH may not be very good at nursing his wife. He was TAUGHT differently and that is not his fault.

thestudio · 29/05/2025 15:19

YourSignalFadedIntoAnotherWorld · 29/05/2025 12:07

I don't agree. Most women on here couldn't walk out into their back garden and put a new fuel tank in a Land Rover for example. They wouldn't know where to start and, crucially, probably wouldn't even attempt it. DH just did this a few days ago though.

We are wired differently.

We are TAUGHT differently.

Putting a new fuel tank in a Land Rover is a fairly specialist skill. Giving a fuck about other human beings - especially one who has cared for you for 50 years - is not.

Gloriia · 29/05/2025 15:13

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No one is excusing an 'arsehole coasting through life', the op herself says he's been a good husband so far.

Her examples that have her hating him seem so very minor. She is clearly projecting all her fury onto him which is understandable but not fair.

Your last comment is awful. I'd ask mnhq to edit if I were you.

Justgorgeous · 29/05/2025 15:12

Just sending you a hug 🌼

HappySeven · 29/05/2025 15:09

I don't know where you live but most UK cancer services have a hotline you can ring for advice on when you become unwell. Maybe you could ask your husband to call that and they'll advise whether hospitalisation is necessary.

I'm really sorry you're going through this. It isn't easy on either of you.

Elektra1 · 29/05/2025 15:08

Where are your children? If you were my mum, you’d be complaining to me constantly about how useless my dad was and I’d be over there managing him into doing a better job.

Very sorry you’re going through what sounds like a hellish time. I hope you start to feel a bit better soon. But for God’s sake, rope your kids in to sort your DH out.

YourPinkBeaker · 29/05/2025 15:03

4seasons · 29/05/2025 08:51

Thanks again to everyone who has responded . I have no intention of LTB… I’ve invested too much in him !!
The thing is .. he’s been at all the appointments/ meetings with me and has spent time googling stuff . I think some of this is just inattention I.e. sloppiness and inattention to detail…someone mentioned internal misogyny of thinking detail
was menial ( something for women ). There’s certainly an element of this I’m seeing.
As for the lamb dinner ( cold lamb from a previous roast ) and glass of wine … I knew he was having that and was happy for him to have a decent meal . But … he’d said to come downstairs when I fancied something to eat , so I did !! I didn’t know he’d started his dinner.
He gets frequent praise for all he is doing … I’m probably over the top with this. When I did it all it was “ just the way it is “.
He also seems reluctant to say what he thinks. I asked about cancelling an appointment I had ( a home visit .. sort of medical )…. hoping for advice … but just got “
It must be your decision “.
He’s also just offered me scrambled eggs for breakfast having been told by nurses that eggs can be high risk items !!
Anyway , thank you all for your views / help . I think I needed to vent .

I want to give you a huge, huge hug.

My mum could have written your post 2 years ago. She had advanced cancer and watching my dad move into a caregiver role was hard - he is not as caring as your husband sounds but every bit as frustrating!

They were together for 40+ years and I remember how angry she was at him and I completely understand why. You know you'd do better than he's doing in this situation. I think someone mentioned above - some men can't anticipate the needs of those around them with the same fluency that some women can, and it's frustrating. All you can see are the shortcomings, and not the effort.

💐 i hope your treatment goes well

thing47 · 29/05/2025 14:58

When DH was very ill a few years ago (dialysis rather than chemo, but his eGFR was seriously low), he had loads of.dietary restrictions - about 20 foods that he should avoid completely and dozens and dozens of others which he should have only rarely. There's no way I could have remembered them all.

We.got his dietician to print out lists which we pinned to the fridge. Would that help here @4seasons?

Genevieva · 29/05/2025 14:57

4seasons · 29/05/2025 07:14

I think a lot of my internal anger is coming from fear and feeling so ill.
He’s been a good bloke over the years .. a damn sight better than some of my friends partners. To be fair though I helped knock him into shape !!
All this chemo business is new to us both . It’s scary … but I suppose I expected him to be more on top of things as the one who wasn’t ill and going through all this rubbish.
I’ve been very mindful of the fact that he is worrying and probably feels useless. I’ve insisted that he goes for his daily walk / coffee and gets out of the house a couple of times a day for his mental/ physical health. But I still feel like the carer not the cared for.
He proudly put a beef stew in the slow cooker yesterday . I was resting upstairs and could tell from the smell that it was overcooking and drying up . I had to point this out even though he was in the same room as the cooker , feet up engrossed in his book !! What was so difficult about keeping an eye on it ? It’s definitely because there are things that he’s just left to me. As I suppose there are things I’ve just left to him !
As for telling him about an ambulance. When he was taken ill a few years ago I just called one !! Why do I need to tell him what to do ??
I know when he finally wakes after 8 hours sleep he will bring me a cuppa but there will be nothing pro active about the rest of proceedings . That will be down to me however sick I feel.
I am already resenting the fact that this weekend there is a rugby match he will want to go to and I am thinking about how to facilitate this so I’m ok on my own. Did this a few weeks ago when I was feeling better than now. Years ago when the tables were turned he was horrified that I would even think of leaving him at home !! And that was just a broken leg !!
I’m a mixture of feelings at the moment. Won’t be all his fault. I need a bloody good cry and a doctor to make me better.

It sounds like you have a lot of innate knowledge that he just doesn’t have. He’s out of his depth and learning the hard way, but he is trying, even if he’s getting it wrong. Try to relax and let these little irritations wash over you.

BobbyBiscuits · 29/05/2025 14:54

Pluvia · 29/05/2025 12:58

Here speaketh a person who has never cared for someone who has has had major abdominal surgery / bowel / digestion issues.

Well OP is phrasing it like she wanted some and is insulted by the quiche as an alternative. And no, you're right, I'm not a colorectal or bowel cancer nurse/specialist.

Lurkingandlearning · 29/05/2025 14:47

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GreenCandleWax · 29/05/2025 14:25

Lucythesquirrel · 29/05/2025 10:39

I’m sorry you are going through this, it sounds very hard and you are likely to be very frustrated at the closest people around you, anyone would be!

I am a nurse and work very closely with people with cancer and their families, this is an incredibly common story. I actually do not think he sounds like an ‘arse’ whatsoever, it sounds to me as if he is trying his best, honestly I think men are just wired differently, he likely wouldn’t have even thought about bacteria or allergies he thought oh right this is what she needs let’s get her it. You’ve likely been running the house for years and now he’s had to step up and it’s all new to him. I reckon as long as he is trying and not completely abandoning you then give him a little break, maybe just be quite direct in telling him what to do! He will be worried and scared for you as well but probably trying to keep things quite ‘normal’. Tell him directly what you need from him then see if things get better. Carer stress is a very real thing, if you don’t need him at that specific point then let him have his own time (maybe rugby?), give him time to vent to his friends, and he will come back more prepared and ready to help. I honestly don’t think he’s doing this on purpose. The point you mentioned about him jotting down temperatures etc oh my goodness I have seen this so many times!! You’re not alone.

good luck and I hope you feel better soon xx

To all those saying he isn't doing this deliberately ! or that he is "doing his best" - that's not the point. The point is that OP needs proper care and isn't getting it. Also she needs proper emotional care and isn't getting it. Stop making excuses for him and men like him. Having said that, vent on here OP then let the anger and stress go as much as you can.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/05/2025 14:22

I wonder, OP, if you are more specific with him he will do better?
Can you give him a very specific list of foods etc that you can have and might tolerate?
Tell him you need him to be more available to you and what you want him to do should certain scenarios arise?
I know it's shit and you shouldn't have to.
You sound lovely and that you've been the anchor in your family. 💪
Cancer fucking sucks. You deserve every kindness and gentle and loving care. Sending you a handhold during this brutal and scary time. 🩷

CapitalAtRisk · 29/05/2025 14:22

BobbyBiscuits · 29/05/2025 12:38

He roasted a joint of lamb to eat all for himself? And all the trimmings? Then offered you manky quiche?
That is bang out of order!

No, he didn't. It was a slice of cold lamb from a previous roast.

navelgazing · 29/05/2025 14:19

MyHouseInThePrairie · 29/05/2025 12:17

So how do you think the OP knows unless she has been told??

How do you explain he gave her stuff she is allergic to? The blackcurrant drink. That’s nothing to do with cancer right?

And btw, the role of the person accompanying the one who is ill IS to retain all that information so they can remind/tell the person who is ill what’s going on.

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I am actually interested in whether the no reheated food rule is real or just assumed. Not as an unkind gotcha or anything. But because I've never heard that about chemo patients. Even if hospital they serve them reheated food!

Enigma53 · 29/05/2025 14:18

@4seasons forgot to say, please do speak to your team re: side effects. They can help with sickness/ diarrhoea etc. Don’t suffer in silence, it’s hard enough as it is.

YourSignalFadedIntoAnotherWorld · 29/05/2025 14:17

navelgazing · 29/05/2025 14:15

I don't think we're wired differently as I know lots of women great with their hands and men great at cooking, tidying, etc... You're probably an old person or not from a very good background. But I do agree that we're socialised differently certainly, especially couples of OP's age

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'You're probably and old person or not from a very good background'

😂😂😂😂

SnoopyPajamas · 29/05/2025 14:15

I feel for you, OP. But I would say, this is why you don't marry a fixer-upper and spend the rest of your marriage 'knocking him into shape'. I know women married to men like this, and it's all fine and dandy complaining about their uselessness and enjoying being 'the competent one' in the marriage. Until something goes wrong, and they suddenly need him to be competent.

I'm not trying to come for you at a time when you already feel terrible. But the fact is, you've spent fifty years tolerating the bumbling inefficiency of this man. And now you're expecting him to do a complete 180, because you've been diagnosed with cancer. It would be nice if this was the wake-up call that stopped him being so lazy, and he stepped up to become a better husband. But he's had five decades of positive reinforcement for his uselessness. If he wasn't the sort of man who could remember basics like "my wife is allergic to blackcurrants" before, he's not going to change now.

He probably is trying, is the sad thing. The problem is, the bar has been set so low his whole life, that he probably thinks he deserves a medal for his current efforts. And doesn't realise they're nowhere near where they need to be, actually. I think your only hope is to have a family friend, or your adult children, tell him as much. He'll be more likely to believe an outsider, and can't dismiss them as being grumpy from chemo.

navelgazing · 29/05/2025 14:15

YourSignalFadedIntoAnotherWorld · 29/05/2025 12:07

I don't agree. Most women on here couldn't walk out into their back garden and put a new fuel tank in a Land Rover for example. They wouldn't know where to start and, crucially, probably wouldn't even attempt it. DH just did this a few days ago though.

We are wired differently.

I don't think we're wired differently as I know lots of women great with their hands and men great at cooking, tidying, etc... You're probably an old person or not from a very good background. But I do agree that we're socialised differently certainly, especially couples of OP's age

doublec · 29/05/2025 14:15

Many of the 'rules' around what is safe to eat for patients undergoing chemo is similar to pregnant women. Also, chemo kills all the good gut bacteria, so diarrhoea, terrible wind and other related gastric issues are pretty much a certainty. The type of chemo OP is having also kills all the rapidly growing cells in her oesophagus, so acid reflux is a certainty. Hopefully lansoprazole has been prescribed.

@4seasons Drink as much water during the infusion itself as possible, and for the rest of the first 48 hours of each chemo cycle. This will help your gut. Also, ask for a better anti-sickness tablet, I found the one of the ones I was given made me unwell, but ondansetron was better. I also refused steroids. This alone made my stomach so much better. Due to this, was also prescribed levomeprmazine which helped me sleep through the worst of the first week's chemo cycle.

Sadly, your husband doesn't really know how to cope with things, but at the same times, not many people really know what to deal with someone else undergoing chemo. Tbh, taking note of your temperature during the first few days of chemo is the most effective thing to do because in all likelihood, you don't need to rush to hospital due to chemo after effects.

I was somewhat lucky inasmuch as I underwent chemo when I was single, living alone and had to take responsibility for myself. I had a much better time keeping myself in check than another friend whose partner was an absolute pig to her during this time. Try to remember, your husband is trying, particularly in terms of cooking for you. Spell out what you can and cannot eat. You really can't expect anyone to know this. I know when I was in a similar position, I was very clear to those who wanted to help me what I was allowed and what I wanted, and what I did not. Ultimately, you need to rest and not be stressed. You have to tell your husband what you need from him at this time. Unfortunately, you can't rely on anyone to know what you want or need.

Wishing you well for the rest of your treatment and recovery.

Enigma53 · 29/05/2025 14:03

Sorry you are going through this hell OP. I’m also on chemo for sarcoma cancer and it’s fucking horrific. The fear, the frustration, the anger; all these emotions will be running high as this diagnosis details both your lives.

You will need to make it clear what you want and need food and drink wise as I’m sure things will change from hour to hour. He’s probably doing his best. If your temp is up, just call your cancer hotline for advice; that’s what I do. I wasn’t aware of reheating food being a no, but it’s important to be safe obviously.

Can your adult children help out at all? It’s an incredibly stressful time for all.

How is your relationship generally?

cumbriaisbest · 29/05/2025 13:46

tothelefttotheleft · 29/05/2025 13:43

Do you understand how under pressure services are? There will be no support available for someone in this scenario.

Correct.

tothelefttotheleft · 29/05/2025 13:43

Fraaances · 29/05/2025 07:44

Do you have some kind of “Adult Services”? He’s neglecting you. You are not managing and he is not remotely plugged into your caring needs. Call the hospital and ask to speak to a social worker

Do you understand how under pressure services are? There will be no support available for someone in this scenario.

Worriedsickmostofthetime · 29/05/2025 13:39

OP please can you let us know your ages. And let us know where your children are in all this?

Anyahyacinth · 29/05/2025 13:39

I can't believe the posters saying ...'aww poor thing perhaps he doesn't understand you are immunocompromised' 🙈...he is utterly failing as an adult if he doesn't understand that for someone going through chemo they have to avoid so many risks of infection, it's basic.

Really sorry you are having to manage your own care support whilst being ill. 💐💐Its dreadfully unfair and all the apologists for a lazy man ...make me despair

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