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fa556 · 28/05/2025 23:20

DH is a minimalist to the extreme, he has very little in terms of 'things'. Naturally I'm the opposite, a hoarder. Over the years I've conceded ground and downsized a LOT to pacify him, although it's probably fair to say that I still have too much stuff and it's also a bit messy and cluttered. Having kids has obviously brought more stuff to the house generally, but my own "stuff" is contained, with most of the house being tidy and (from my perspective at least) quite minimalist as he likes it. The "stuff" is in our bedroom (my side) to some extent, but mostly in my study which only I use.
In response to my compromises, instead of compromising too he seems to be going the other way. I'm increasingly finding my stuff in the bin, or things have just disappeared. I'm not talking about my most prized possessions, but they are things that I have bought, with my own money, for myself, that are on my side of the bedroom or in my study. I've always known not to leave things lying around in the kitchen or lounge or whatever for this reason, but it's like he's encroaching more and more on what I'd consider limited private spaces. To be fair, a lot of them are not big stuff. But even if it's just a receipt, it might be for some things I had meant to return or where I was going to claim something back as an expense. But to him, he's right and I'm wrong.
Even if it's actually something that is completely unimportant and doesn't matter to me, I still feel in principle that he shouldn't be throwing out my things from my study without checking or at the very least telling me. Am I being unreasonable?
When I pick him up on something specific, the response is always about the actual thing in question "what were you going to do with it anyway / it had a rip in it / you said yourself you have too many socks". Where for me, it's about the principle of it being up to me what to do with my own things. He says my clutter affects him as he lives here too, but he increasingly seems to be looking for it beyond surface level (while he is extremely private about his own things).
His 'need' to get rid of things also extends to perishable goods. So I might buy an expensive condiment (where he won't spend a penny more than he has to on anything), or I'll get a bottle of Baileys as a present from someone, he'll use them up as fast as he can, I'm talking days, not really 'enjoying' them as far as I can see, but just to get them out of the house. And inside I feel "hey they are my nice things", but am I just being selfish?
The other side is that I probably do have too much stuff and too much emotional attachment to 'things'. And gifts I receive like the Baileys could be in the cupboard for weeks/months otherwise. He says they're there to be used. Should I just give in?
At the moment I'm not giving in, at least not in my head, it's a huge source of frustration for me. But any effort to put a boundary in place on this, as with anything else really, is met with a bullheaded wall of stubborness ("I'm not agreeing to that"). I basically have to let it go time and again. But it's making me very anxious, what will be gone next?

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/05/2025 14:00

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:51

It may be normal for you. But the opposite view - it should be used and not sit around - is also normal. We don't have any alcohol sitting about. We buy it to drink it or gift it, then when we want more, we buy more. And drink that. It would never be in a cupboard for months.

And what is months? Three months? 36 months? It really depends on whether this is hoarding or just a fairly normal 'I'm saving that for Christmas'. And it will then be used.

We can look at his behaviour through the lens of living with a hoarder. We can look at him as a controlling abuser. Might be both.

You obviously don’t get special bottles of alcohol as gifts very often …

It is very normal to be given a bottle of alcohol for a special occasion and for people not to drink it immediately. Baileys is one example, for most people it’s not an everyday drink so it will be drunk over a course of weeks or months.
The same can be said for other spirits. We have bottles of whiskey and tequila which were bought as presents for significant birthdays and cost a lot of money. They are drunk on special occasions only so may last years. That’s is perfectly okay.
If my DH either threw out or drank the bottle of tequila ( which cost over £100) I was given for my 40th just to ‘get it out of the house’ there would be hell to pay. He doesn’t get to make that decision.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 29/05/2025 13:58

Hoarders and minimalists (or wannabe minimalists like me- hard when you have toddlers!) don't work very well living together.
You sound alot like my partner. His clutter and mess was taking over my home to the point it was hard to function so I threw him out. He does things like 'Saving for best' too. Ie a million aftershaves all with only a drop left, instead of using some up to save space and be tidy will drag them out as long as possible until they go off, evaporate and don't even smell good any more!
And yes I've thrown stuff of his away. Had to. But the difference was i gave him months upon months to sort through it and it was my home not his. So he can keep his mess elsewhere!!!
If he kept it clean, tidy and organised id be more tolerant, but he didn't it was just boxes and boxes of junk getting in my way.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 29/05/2025 13:56

fa556 · 28/05/2025 23:47

Thanks, relationship is pretty similar/bad generally to be honest. I feel a big need to try to make it work but it's very hard. I'm not without my own faults either obviously.

Your first post I could kind of see his side, but this one is just beyond. This is abusive behaviour, why would you want to stay with someone like this?

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:51

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/05/2025 13:34

Why is she not allowed to keep a bottle of Baileys for months? That’s normal!

It may be normal for you. But the opposite view - it should be used and not sit around - is also normal. We don't have any alcohol sitting about. We buy it to drink it or gift it, then when we want more, we buy more. And drink that. It would never be in a cupboard for months.

And what is months? Three months? 36 months? It really depends on whether this is hoarding or just a fairly normal 'I'm saving that for Christmas'. And it will then be used.

We can look at his behaviour through the lens of living with a hoarder. We can look at him as a controlling abuser. Might be both.

crumblingschools · 29/05/2025 13:49

@sandyhappypeople at what point has OP said she isn’t going to drink the Baileys. She just said it might sit in the cupboard for a few weeks/months, which if you are just an occasional drinker of Baileys is normal. She isn’t just admiring the unopened bottle as a friend bought it for her.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/05/2025 13:47

Naunet · 29/05/2025 13:41

Because we don't know if she is an actual hoarder or has just been made to feel like one by her bullying husband.

100% this…

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/05/2025 13:46

sandyhappypeople · 29/05/2025 13:43

I think the baileys is a bit of a red herring, it is just another example of OP forming an emotional attachment to something and not wanting to use it because of that attachment.

No one should really be saving something innocuous like a bottle of baileys for any other reason than they haven't got round to drinking it yet, or saving it for a special occasion (both fair enough).. but that isn't why OP keeps it and is a a symptom of a much larger problem that she knows she has, she wants to keep it in the cupboard because she has a problem with letting things (anything) go, it was a gift and she doesn't want to use it so it just sits there.

Her husband saying 'these things are to be used' and drinking it is the same reason he will throw away a receipt that has been sitting there, or ripped socks, it's not right for him to just do it IMO, but without knowing how much of an ongoing issue this has been, I can understand why he would now be at the stage of forcing the issue instead of letting it carry on unchecked.

There is a hell of a lot of assumptions going on here in an attempt to minimise her husbands shitty behaviour.

Allaboutmememe · 29/05/2025 13:45

Ive been on the other side of this.
Im a minimalist my ex was an horder we was together 2 years and i just could not put up with it anymore.

He had crap and clutter everywhere it was too much stuff he didnt use just sat there stuff in boxs etc.
He had 4 large boxs of t-shirts plus more in the bedroom just boxs even 4foot bird cage no bird.
My home looked a mess it was stuffy piles of crap everywhere every cupboard draw surface had something on it or in it.
Shelfs up all full pitchers all over the walls it was just to much.
Everytime i said maybe he should have a sort out i was meet with i might need it i want it it may come in handy.

Not to mention he had more at his mums he wanted to bring to mine in the end i told him to leave it took 3 van loads from my home.
And i still had a fair bit left that he forgot about i ordered a skip.
24 hours later the skip arrived and it was full by that night.
I binned 42 cups and drinking glasses that day about 13 boxs packed crap dont know what was in them i just binned.
Just boxs bags just crap.
7 years on im still a minimalist and love it wake up and everything is bright and fresh.
Clear walls and sides no clutter in sight.

sandyhappypeople · 29/05/2025 13:43

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/05/2025 13:34

Why is she not allowed to keep a bottle of Baileys for months? That’s normal!

I think the baileys is a bit of a red herring, it is just another example of OP forming an emotional attachment to something and not wanting to use it because of that attachment.

No one should really be saving something innocuous like a bottle of baileys for any other reason than they haven't got round to drinking it yet, or saving it for a special occasion (both fair enough).. but that isn't why OP keeps it and is a a symptom of a much larger problem that she knows she has, she wants to keep it in the cupboard because she has a problem with letting things (anything) go, it was a gift and she doesn't want to use it so it just sits there.

Her husband saying 'these things are to be used' and drinking it is the same reason he will throw away a receipt that has been sitting there, or ripped socks, it's not right for him to just do it IMO, but without knowing how much of an ongoing issue this has been, I can understand why he would now be at the stage of forcing the issue instead of letting it carry on unchecked.

Naunet · 29/05/2025 13:41

Summersun9 · 29/05/2025 13:35

I can't understand why people are justifying hoarding & think partners living in the same house should accept it as a character trait.

A hoarder doesn't merely hold on to a few unnecessary bits & pieces. They have a serious aversion to throwing away anything from worn out shoes to packaging. It must be a nightmare to suffer from this anxiety inducing affliction & equally difficult to live with.

Because we don't know if she is an actual hoarder or has just been made to feel like one by her bullying husband.

Summersun9 · 29/05/2025 13:35

I can't understand why people are justifying hoarding & think partners living in the same house should accept it as a character trait.

A hoarder doesn't merely hold on to a few unnecessary bits & pieces. They have a serious aversion to throwing away anything from worn out shoes to packaging. It must be a nightmare to suffer from this anxiety inducing affliction & equally difficult to live with.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/05/2025 13:34

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:31

OP said herself it would likely sit for months. That's the narrative she wrote - I am saying it's not possible to tell, OP may or may not be a hoarder. Dh may or may not be a selfish twat. That's why she should seek real-life help. He may be gaslighting her about a very normal amount of clutter. Or he may be driven to drastic measures by hoarding. We can't tell. A view from from an impartial observer might make a lot of difference to her.

Why is she not allowed to keep a bottle of Baileys for months? That’s normal!

sandyhappypeople · 29/05/2025 13:33

Naunet · 29/05/2025 13:21

A bottle of Baileys that will gather dust in the cupboard, but that you resent him drinking

How is that an example of OP being unreasonable?! She was gifted a bottle of baileys and HE drank it within 3 days of her having been given it. He's a selfish cock for that if nothing else. Don't start writing your own narrative that she would have left it gathering dust, just to justify his behaviour to yourself.

The other side is that I probably do have too much stuff and too much emotional attachment to 'things'. And gifts I receive like the Baileys could be in the cupboard for weeks/months otherwise.

In fairness, she said herself above it may sit there in the cupboard gathering dust as she has an emotional attachment to things, he doesn't like things just cluttering up the cupboard so will drink it instead, we have a rule on gifts in our house, if someone is gifted something other people do not have any right to open it/eat/drink it unless invited to, I always assumed that was basic courtesy tbf.

But then she also referred to 'perishable goods' when talking about baileys and condiments, and how she hangs on to those, and in fairness there are people who will use a bit of something then let it go off/mouldy as they don't want to get rid of it, baileys will go off in the fridge if opened and not used, so I don't think he is wrong for using it up once opened, knowing it will just go off and get binned if not.

It sounds to me like OP does have a problem with emotional attachment/hoarding, and he has now lost all patience with her way of doing things, and any love and respect is sadly now lacking, it could be a build up over time of resentment or he could just be a prick from the beginning, but either way they have a huge communications issue, neither should be forcing their own way of doing things on the other and expecting the other to just deal with it.

Naunet · 29/05/2025 13:31

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:31

OP said herself it would likely sit for months. That's the narrative she wrote - I am saying it's not possible to tell, OP may or may not be a hoarder. Dh may or may not be a selfish twat. That's why she should seek real-life help. He may be gaslighting her about a very normal amount of clutter. Or he may be driven to drastic measures by hoarding. We can't tell. A view from from an impartial observer might make a lot of difference to her.

Baileys lasts for 2 years - why is she not allowed to save it for a few months?

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:31

Naunet · 29/05/2025 13:21

A bottle of Baileys that will gather dust in the cupboard, but that you resent him drinking

How is that an example of OP being unreasonable?! She was gifted a bottle of baileys and HE drank it within 3 days of her having been given it. He's a selfish cock for that if nothing else. Don't start writing your own narrative that she would have left it gathering dust, just to justify his behaviour to yourself.

OP said herself it would likely sit for months. That's the narrative she wrote - I am saying it's not possible to tell, OP may or may not be a hoarder. Dh may or may not be a selfish twat. That's why she should seek real-life help. He may be gaslighting her about a very normal amount of clutter. Or he may be driven to drastic measures by hoarding. We can't tell. A view from from an impartial observer might make a lot of difference to her.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/05/2025 13:21

Why? Because I don’t agree that hoarding has no impact on others?

no because you seem to think his bullying behaviour is normal …

Naunet · 29/05/2025 13:21

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:14

This is one of those threads where I bet hearing your dh's side would be a real eye-opener.

I see the points about control and ignoring your voice. I do. Normally I'd be wary of anyone throwing out someone's stuff without permission. But then the examples... a receipt that you didn't need. A bottle of Baileys that will gather dust in the cupboard, but that you resent him drinking. A whole room given over to your hoard, plus half the bedroom he shares with you.

Hoarding is a terrible problem - I have seen it in family members. Likely they are much worse than you, but they all grew worse as they grew older. And it tends to provoke the opposite reaction in those that live with hoarders: carefully maintained minimalism.

If you truly are a hoarder, seek help. Seek an outside opinion on the state of your 'things' and your attachment to them. Because maybe you are completely within a normal range and dh is a control freak. But maybe not.

Either way, this is a fundamental incapatability.

A bottle of Baileys that will gather dust in the cupboard, but that you resent him drinking

How is that an example of OP being unreasonable?! She was gifted a bottle of baileys and HE drank it within 3 days of her having been given it. He's a selfish cock for that if nothing else. Don't start writing your own narrative that she would have left it gathering dust, just to justify his behaviour to yourself.

WestwardHo1 · 29/05/2025 13:18

He sounds like a prick.

Riaanna · 29/05/2025 13:15

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:14

This is one of those threads where I bet hearing your dh's side would be a real eye-opener.

I see the points about control and ignoring your voice. I do. Normally I'd be wary of anyone throwing out someone's stuff without permission. But then the examples... a receipt that you didn't need. A bottle of Baileys that will gather dust in the cupboard, but that you resent him drinking. A whole room given over to your hoard, plus half the bedroom he shares with you.

Hoarding is a terrible problem - I have seen it in family members. Likely they are much worse than you, but they all grew worse as they grew older. And it tends to provoke the opposite reaction in those that live with hoarders: carefully maintained minimalism.

If you truly are a hoarder, seek help. Seek an outside opinion on the state of your 'things' and your attachment to them. Because maybe you are completely within a normal range and dh is a control freak. But maybe not.

Either way, this is a fundamental incapatability.

Perfectly put.

Riaanna · 29/05/2025 13:14

Comtesse · 29/05/2025 13:03

Me too.

Why? Because I don’t agree that hoarding has no impact on others?

28Fluctuations · 29/05/2025 13:14

This is one of those threads where I bet hearing your dh's side would be a real eye-opener.

I see the points about control and ignoring your voice. I do. Normally I'd be wary of anyone throwing out someone's stuff without permission. But then the examples... a receipt that you didn't need. A bottle of Baileys that will gather dust in the cupboard, but that you resent him drinking. A whole room given over to your hoard, plus half the bedroom he shares with you.

Hoarding is a terrible problem - I have seen it in family members. Likely they are much worse than you, but they all grew worse as they grew older. And it tends to provoke the opposite reaction in those that live with hoarders: carefully maintained minimalism.

If you truly are a hoarder, seek help. Seek an outside opinion on the state of your 'things' and your attachment to them. Because maybe you are completely within a normal range and dh is a control freak. But maybe not.

Either way, this is a fundamental incapatability.

FrodoBiggins · 29/05/2025 13:12

@Sharptonguedwoman
Thanks for the response. The issue with me though is I could explain a lot of the items I have retained which are effectively garbage like that! It's not just one jumper and one train ticket, it's a lot of stuff which I strongly attach memories to. I could just take photos of these things and chuck them, and look at the photos, but that doesn't feel right to me! It might have some logic to it but it's not entirely logical which is why it helps when someone is kind about it.

I hope I get more minimalist when as I get older too ha ha!

Sharptonguedwoman · 29/05/2025 13:08

FrodoBiggins · 29/05/2025 12:55

Hmm well to take those examples (and in light of the fact that I've admitted it's annoying and I try to have a clear out even though I don't want to) - I like the jumper and might wear it again, I don't like buying fast fashion so I tend to keep clothes for ages. The train ticket reminds me of a happy day with good friends, that I think of every time I see it but otherwise wouldn't have a reminder of, and the jam probably a mixture of not having much food when I was growing up and so never throwing any out, and my mum made it and she's been unwell, so when I think of chucking it I guess I feel like I'm getting rid of things she gave me at a time when she's fading away anyway.

I can see why that would 'drive you insane'. Some people have little patience for others' foibles. As I said upthread my partner is very caring and patient about these things, as I try to be to him when he behaves irrationally in a way I might otherwise find annoying if I didn't love him. That means a lot to me (and helps me to actually chuck things!) and so I felt really sad that OPs husband reacts in such a dickish way instead.

I think your explanation helps hugely. From the original post it sounded like jumper(s) in plural that you would never wear again. I might keep the train ticket but I'd put it in my memory box and now I understand utterly about the jam. I too have one or two random bits to remember people by.
These things may not impact on your life at all but if they do (shortage of space) then they become a problem.
I think rich families had such treasure troves of stuff in the attics is because they have attics to put them in and most of us don't.
When I helped my ExDp clear his parent's loft there was stuff that belonged to him. He had never lived in that house. I thought his parents should have been tougher with him, he had a three bed house of his own.
I guess as I've got older, I go with 'experiences not stuff' for things like presents.
I didn't mean to be rude, people do what they do. I've just got quite minimalist as I've aged.

crumblingschools · 29/05/2025 13:05

@1SillySossij but do we know if it is actually worse than that. Her DH sounds controlling and slightly unhinged if you can only have a bottle of Baileys or other gifts in the house for a few days, and would have a colossal reaction if OP had the temerity to throw something of his away. I’m assuming OP has already witnessed some of his reactions over things she has done, not done etc.

I would say there is very much a likelihood that he is conditioning OP to think she is a problematic hoarder, rather than someone who has a bit of clutter.

I would also worry whether he has colossal reactions when DC do something he doesn’t like

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 29/05/2025 13:05

1SillySossij · 29/05/2025 12:59

You know very well if that was the extent of her hoarding there would be no issue.

You're going from a pov that OP's husband is by necessity a decent, reasonable, respectful person; and the only thing in question (although assuming the worst) is OP's character and behaviour.

Is there no possibility in your thinking that OP's husband just might be a selfish arse? You know, the kind who would help himself to her special gifts and then blame her for it; or the kind who would ban her from a family holiday as a punishment for not living her life in a way that he deems fully acceptable?