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To be shocked at landlord’s allegations about me

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JustWowser · 28/05/2025 13:34

I am currently suing my previous landlord for very good reason.

She is defending the claim. Part of my claim is for emotional distress and stress which is clearly evidenced.

Got her defence this morning and it is pretty ridiculous but at the end she has stated the great stress she has been under since I was given her address (letting refused at first until I informed them if the law), that she has chest pains, couldn’t work and had to go to her GP for stress.

She also stated that she has had nightmares that I would burn her house down while her children were in it.

This has shaken me tbh, that someone would say this about me. I’m a regular Mum, never made any threats or abuse to her. It is a shocking thing to say.

What do you think the court is going to think of this?

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Pigsears · 28/05/2025 17:39

Crack on then OP.

Why shouldn’t I be angry? I teach my children it’s a healthy emotion if you deal with it in the right way.

For me it wouldn't be about landlord V tenant. Or someone 'getting away with it' ...

I'd rather spend my time on things I enjoy - rather than focusing on 'wanting a legal judgement against her'.

Imbusytodaysorry · 28/05/2025 17:36

@2ndbestslayer she has nothing in writing from you to say or for her to believe you would do that . Her only reason is to try make you look bad instead of herself. I think she sounds crazy and I’d think any judge would tell her she can’t dream and it be real or use it for a defence in court .

Lavenderflower · 28/05/2025 17:35

I think you need to stick to the facts and keep emotions out of it.

BoldBlueZebra · 28/05/2025 17:33

CoastalCalm · 28/05/2025 15:58

I’m just a bit sidetracked by the fact you work at home while simultaneously caring for two young children - taking the piss there

Ha ha ha yep those’d the bit that drew my eye

summerscomingsoon · 28/05/2025 17:31

What did you expect. Course she's going to defend the action.

All sounds a bit silly really. All the money it's going to cost you. Youdbe better using it as a deposit on a house then you won't have to put up with crap landlords again

JamieCannister · 28/05/2025 17:29

JustWowser · 28/05/2025 13:34

I am currently suing my previous landlord for very good reason.

She is defending the claim. Part of my claim is for emotional distress and stress which is clearly evidenced.

Got her defence this morning and it is pretty ridiculous but at the end she has stated the great stress she has been under since I was given her address (letting refused at first until I informed them if the law), that she has chest pains, couldn’t work and had to go to her GP for stress.

She also stated that she has had nightmares that I would burn her house down while her children were in it.

This has shaken me tbh, that someone would say this about me. I’m a regular Mum, never made any threats or abuse to her. It is a shocking thing to say.

What do you think the court is going to think of this?

It sounds like you'll be fine.

The court will likely think "is it proportional to get stressed because your former tenant has your address, which they are legally entitled to?" and "is it not rather convenient that having got sued she's counter-claiming the same thing?" and "on what basis did she fear arson, or does it sound like she is not being honest, in which case what else is she lying about in her defence?"

Londonrach1 · 28/05/2025 17:29

Keep to facts. If course she will give her feelings on this. Don't take it personally. Get a solicitor to represent you but you are unlikely get anything for stress. There always two sides to a story and it's the judge who will.listen to both and not get emotionally involved.

mathanxiety · 28/05/2025 17:28

JustWowser · 28/05/2025 16:21

Most landlords don’t seem to understand they are in a business agreement with tenants do they? They seem to think they are doing some kind of good deed.

I should imagine that if someone rented out a holiday villa and then had water pouring through the ceiling, contractors in and out which they had to stay in for and were disrupted by noise and mess, told they couldn’t bath or shower until the owner decided to fix it etc. they’d want a refund of what they’d paid for it when they got home

Doesn’t seem to apply when someone is renting a home with nowhere else to go.

I strongly suggest to you that you strenuously avoid giving the judge the impression that you are on a personal crusade to hold landlords to account. You have hinted at the crusading aspect of your suit here and explicitly stated it earlier in the thread.

Bear in mind the possibility that your judge or adjudicator could very well be a landlord him or herself.

You need to let the stress / nightmare stuff wash over you and stick firmly to the landlord's failure to uphold her end of the contract and the concrete and material consequences to you of that.

List the failures. Provide concrete evidence.
List the consequences and provide concrete evidence - endangering health or recovery, preventing you from WFH, causing your children distress (include the autism diagnosis and any evidence that disruption had a major effect on them - a statement that they had nightmares isn't evidence). Include documentation on how you WFH and also supervise children who are not in school, or have it ready if questioned.

19lottie82 · 28/05/2025 17:27

I can understand why you are upset, but everything that she is saying is totally irrelevant and won’t even be taken into account in a court of law. Just ignore it.

Catterbat · 28/05/2025 17:26

OP ignore the posters on here giving you shit. You moved into a house that needed extensive repairs without being told, and were forced to live on a building site for 6 months. Then evicted when you complained. I’d love to see some of these posters putting up with that. But they expect you to, don’t they!

This is exactly why the law is changing and reading some of the responses to you on here confirms why it’s necessary. You are not a “nightmare tenant”, your landlady is a bell end and I hope you win.

Icedcaramelfrappe · 28/05/2025 17:23

Renting is the pitts but don't waste time if it will be pointless, even so called water tight cases spring a leak a lot of the time

QuaintShaker · 28/05/2025 17:19

I'd be happy with that response, OP. It paints the Landlord in a very bad light (making over-the-top, "colourful" claims of the stress she's experiencing because she was asked to comply with the Tenancy Act and give her address...).

It reflects very poorly on her.

JustWowser · 28/05/2025 17:17

Pigsears · 28/05/2025 16:47

You've moved out right? And in a new place?

This is a rabbit hole and tbh it sounds like a load of time and energy on your part. You sound really angry and pissed off- but what are you going to gain? Is it just for cash??

Focus on your business and your family. Reassess. Let it go.

No not just for cash. I don’t need it particularly.

I obviously want a legal judgement against her and to see her in court. Why should she get away with it with breaching a legal responsibility and causing so much stress which I have to lie down and take just because she’s a landlord exactly?

I’m a great multi tasker (have to be) and reasonably intelligent so it’s not that onerous.

Why shouldn’t I be angry? I teach my children it’s a healthy emotion if you deal with it in the right way.

I don’t run a business. I work from home for a business as is quite usual these days. Lucky I do as otherwise I’d have had to be at home while contractors were in and out for 6 months and go home to let them in when they turned up when they fancied! Why should I have to leave unknown men in my house who I didn’t know nor was I able to check them out.

We did have something go missing despite me being there which I haven’t said anything about as no clear proof.

You may expect the odd repair job being booked in over the course of a tenancy as a tenant but not 12 different contractors for varying periods of time over 6 months starting from within a few days after you move in! The whole point is the work was dragged out over failed temp repairs, waiting for her unqualified handyman to turn up etc, because she didn’t want to pay for the work to be done properly which she knew about before we moved in.

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WombForTwo · 28/05/2025 17:16

Mareleine · 28/05/2025 13:38

TBH if I was in charge of the court I'd think you were both being histrionic and ridiculous with all these silly claims of suing each other for stress etc.

Quite. You both sound a bit silly. A defence is there to put across their point of view. You can hardly be upset someone has said they’re stressed when you’re saying the same thing!!

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 28/05/2025 17:15

YABU for not giving the reasons you’re suing her in your OP. She sounds unhinged though. What a ridiculous thing to say. She’s been an appalling landlord and you are attempting to hold her to account. Implying you’ve made threats against her when you haven’t is a nasty tactic and a judge really should see through it. Good luck with your lawsuit, I sincerely hope you win.

Eyesopenwideawake · 28/05/2025 17:14

JustWowser · 28/05/2025 13:38

Yes but what does that convey?

It conveys she's having nightmares.

OneLemonLion · 28/05/2025 17:09

OP sorry you went through that experience, whether or not your landlord broke the law it sounds awful. Try to ignore those who are trying to pick holes, as pp have said they are probably landlords themselves getting triggered by reference to a renter daring to try and enforce their rights. You have had some free legal advice so presumably a trained professional considered you had at least an arguable claim and it’s your right to pursue that claim in the courts even if you ultimately lose (not suggesting you will but the point is, you have a right to your day in court as it were). That is what the court system is there for.

To answer your actual questions, you’re not unreasonable to be shocked as many people would feel upset at the suggestion someone was having nightmares about them as described.

Please don’t worry about it as part of her defence though. She is not even accusing you of causing stress by your behaviour, she is saying the stress is caused by you having her address i.e. there is no allegation being made against you (unless she has framed it as a counterclaim but for what? She can’t sue you for suing her). The court will decide the case based on the evidence of what happened at the time. The impact on her of the litigation is completely irrelevant.

The best thing you can do is to not rise to it and just come across as extremely calm and level headed in all your correspondence with the court and with her. Good luck.

MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 28/05/2025 17:06

thisismemyself · 28/05/2025 17:01

I am glad I am not a landlord!

I’m glad I’m not a tenant 🙄

MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 28/05/2025 17:05

God, there are clearly a lot of crappy landlords on here leaping to the defence of someone who rented out a substandard property!

OP, putting that in the defence is ridiculous and will be seen as such by the court. She’s clearly implying that there is a threat of violence towards her to get sympathy for her defence - the court will have seen it all before, so don’t give it any thought.

In my younger days I lived in some appallingly maintained rental properties because the landlords were too tight to deal with things until they became emergencies. I really hope you win your case 🍀

thisismemyself · 28/05/2025 17:01

I am glad I am not a landlord!

bettyboo9 · 28/05/2025 16:58

Also your GP and any services you might use

bettyboo9 · 28/05/2025 16:57

As an extra support for your court case, I would try and get a charity that supports children with autism and mental health issues to write a supporting letter stating the adverse effects all this constant building work and unfamiliar workmen in the house, over a long period has had on them. It clearly sounds like she tellingly let the property out when it wasn’t in a rentable condition.
The courts will only be interested in facts, not someone having nightmares. Best of luck, sounds horrendous

JustWowser · 28/05/2025 16:56

WiddlinDiddlin · 28/05/2025 16:17

You're going to get people picking apart your post here for a variety of reasons.

If you've decided to represent yourself rather than hire a professional, then you need to be able to seperate the legal bollocks from reality.

She will throw everything she can at this to defend herself - that was always going to be the case when you started this and if you'd hired someone to deal with it, you'd be removed from the emotional aspect of a lot of things a fair bit.

As you've not done that you DO need to rise above it. Courts hear a lot of stupid shit, they will recognise the drama and bullshit for what it is, if you have the evidence you need to prove your side of things and you're not over egging it and being over dramatic yourself, you'll probably get a decent outcome.

Chances of that resulting in her actually paying you any money of course are another matter entirely. She'll just claim she hasn't any.

Yes I have. I’m not wasting money on legal fees when she doesn’t have representation herself, which I may not see the benefit of if I lose. I’m obviously claiming the court fees which include the hearing cost.

I have a pretty watertight case and have thoroughly researched the legal side or I wouldn’t have pursued it.

All in email format although she is claiming that the letting agent didn’t fully forward on all emails and only sent her excerpts. That’s her issue with the letting agent though as she still has responsibility as the landlord for communication between them as her agent. She’s also claiming she was experiencing a stressful time unrelated to the repair issues (before this legal action) so didn’t have time to read them!

Funnily enough, she’s used as an excuse something similar to what we experiencing while builders were in which she was told about as we’re were told a big bit of work would take 2 weeks but it took 8 weeks as her builders (she refused to use the letting agents contractors) kept on disappearing for days/weeks after doing a little bit, then turning up at 3pm to do a little bit more, so we asked her to speak to them as DH was recovering from a major op which we had arranged for when we were initially told the work would have been completed but they kept delaying the start date and in the end the builders turned up a day after he was out of hospital! The work was taking place in our room (ripping out and replacing an en suite) so he couldn’t even recuperate in our bed. Also my DS had to have emergency surgery in the same week (appendix) while we had builders in banging and ripping out tiles. They said if we didn’t want it done then, we’d have to wait a further two months and as we’d been told the silverfish infestation was due to all the damp in there, (they were in our bed) and youngest DS was having NIGHTMARES that they were crawling over him in his sleep, we had no choice but to let them do it.

Fucking hell, just realised that where she got the nightmares from! That’s disgusting!

I just can’t get over how low people can stoop when they are in the wrong, to thinly veiled suggestions that I might burn her house down with her children in it. The few communications we had over text were totally professional from my part.

She had been giving me the sob story that she rented her house too and had no money for repairs as our high rent didn’t cover the mortgage on the property (which I was sympathetic to) then later in the same conversation said she was using the same builder to replace HER bathrooms in her house (obviously her renting it was a lie), as she was using for ours, so wanted me to check the work was a good enough standard! I later found out she’d got him doing work in her house before he’d finished ours which she had a legal responsibility to complete.

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JudgeJ · 28/05/2025 16:56

JustWowser · 28/05/2025 13:41

How rude!

You don’t even know the reason I’m suing her. It was not for stress but that was an outcome and makes up part of the claim.

She is using stress as a defence.

She's allowed to defend herself against your allegations, do you expect her to roll over and accept what you say?

Floatlikeafeather2 · 28/05/2025 16:53

BethDuttonYeHaw · 28/05/2025 13:44

She can’t help how she feels. She may be exaggerating. Or she may feel like this.

That isn't OP's question. She wants to know how the landlord's words will make her, OP, look in court. Will they believe that she made such a threat? I'm not sure anyone in a position of judgement would take someone's dreams into account but if the landlord ramps it up to saying that OP actually used those words, that's a whole different thing. OP knows it's a lie but others don't.

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