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Is ‘shunter for British Rail’ a working class job?

283 replies

Correction · 28/05/2025 08:15

Been dating a man for 7 months. He was born 1970 just FYI. His parents were both born in 1927 just for context and both long gone from this world.

I know his mum worked in a care home - but I really don’t know her level of seniority- could’ve bern a manager - could’ve had a more routine job - I haven’t asked.

Anyway - I know he was close to his Dad and seemed to be a happy family but had no clue what his Dad did for a living so asked him over the weekend and he said

‘Shunter for British Rail.

AIBU to ask if you’d class it as a working class job?

OP posts:
IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 28/05/2025 10:08

Dotjones · 28/05/2025 09:42

Working class means low paid or (perhaps ironically) unemployed. If someone has a job at or above the national average salary then they're no longer working class. You can't be wealthy and working class, you can't be comfortable and working class. Being working class means struggling to get by. Not "struggling to pay for a holiday" or private school or a new iPhone every five years, but struggling to pay your rent, energy bills and putting food on the table.

Obviously in the OP's case foodbanks weren't really a thing back then, but these days if you're not reliant on foodbanks, you're not working class. If you don't have a prepay energy meter, you're not working class.

Actually, it means more along the lines of the type of work. "Unskilled" or "blue collar" roles are working class. "Professional" or "white collar" roles are middle.

Uricon2 · 28/05/2025 10:08

OP, you did realise the previous poster was joking about coal mining, didn't you?

Correction · 28/05/2025 10:07

TheGreyQuail · 28/05/2025 10:04

OP bear in mind your age, most employers for rail shunting would probably favour younger candidates as there are very stringent tests and the cost of training is very expensive. The people they recruit must be a potential long term employee. I don't think there is an upper limit age but worth bearing in mind.
Our health changes as we get older in various ways. People in their 50's won't have the same amount of energy they had when they were in their 20 /30's.

Thank you - this is useful info - I appreciate it 🙌

OP posts:
AthWat · 28/05/2025 10:07

Correction · 28/05/2025 10:06

Yes I’ve worked

I knew fall what a shunter job entailed

What did you mean to say there because "I knew fall" could be anything.

CheshireCat1 · 28/05/2025 10:06

Google the Wheel Tappers and Shunters Club, it will give you a general idea

AthWat · 28/05/2025 10:06

BCBird · 28/05/2025 09:39

Does it matter? In terms of logistics I can understand someone thinking about whether the other person can pay their way. The job they do surely is irrelevant. Being intellectually compatible is important

True...but this thread is actually about the job their father did......which is even less relevant.

Correction · 28/05/2025 10:06

AthWat · 28/05/2025 10:04

That might be because you didn't know what it was until a couple of hours ago.

Seriously, this thread is insane. First up you're worried about what "class" someone's father's job was.

Then you claim that you are asking because you might apply for it, despite having no clue whatsover what it is or what it entails.

"Oh I heard of a job, maybe I could do that".

And you're in your 50s? Have you ever worked?

Edited

Yes I’ve worked

I knew fall what a shunter job entailed

OP posts:
AthWat · 28/05/2025 10:04

Correction · 28/05/2025 09:33

I’m really really sorry to hear about this ❤️

I’d not heard, up until now, of any fatalities in this role

That might be because you didn't know what it was until a couple of hours ago.

Seriously, this thread is insane. First up you're worried about what "class" someone's father's job was.

Then you claim that you are asking because you might apply for it, despite having no clue whatsover what it is or what it entails.

"Oh I heard of a job, maybe I could do that".

And you're in your 50s? Have you ever worked?

TheGreyQuail · 28/05/2025 10:04

OP bear in mind your age, most employers for rail shunting would probably favour younger candidates as there are very stringent tests and the cost of training is very expensive. The people they recruit must be a potential long term employee. I don't think there is an upper limit age but worth bearing in mind.
Our health changes as we get older in various ways. People in their 50's won't have the same amount of energy they had when they were in their 20 /30's.

Riaanna · 28/05/2025 10:00

Correction · 28/05/2025 08:21

And relatively well paid I see - not BRILLIANT pay admittedly but not low pay - although shunters would no longer be BR employees

are you unreasonable for asking? Why do you care?

or do you want to know if it is?

Correction · 28/05/2025 10:00

WheresMyPlanetGone · 28/05/2025 09:45

What does your boyfriend do for a living OP? Surely more relevant than his dead father’s profession?

Works in a nightclub

OP posts:
Needspaceforlego · 28/05/2025 09:58

Elbowpatch · 28/05/2025 09:44

When the OP’s partner’s father was employed, a shunter essentially coupled wagons and coaches together using a hook on the end of a stick.

Not quite the same thing as being a pilot.

Edited

And how do you think they moved them?

AdoraBell · 28/05/2025 09:52

Why does it matter if the job is a working class job?

Correction · 28/05/2025 09:48

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 28/05/2025 09:47

Being interested in what the job entails is one thing but needing to know the ‘class’ of a job is just weird.

Why is that bit important? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Just curiosity really

OP posts:
HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 28/05/2025 09:47

Being interested in what the job entails is one thing but needing to know the ‘class’ of a job is just weird.

Why is that bit important? 🤷🏼‍♀️

WheresMyPlanetGone · 28/05/2025 09:45

What does your boyfriend do for a living OP? Surely more relevant than his dead father’s profession?

Namechangefordaughterevasion · 28/05/2025 09:44

Your logic makes no sense. Lots of working class jobs are/were very well paid. Plasterer springs to mind - incredibly well remunerated. As are plumbers and bookies and premier league footballers.

My BIL left school at 16 with no qualifications and became a scaffolder, possibly the most working class job ever. Through hard work he gradually built up his own firm and is now rich enough to own his own helicopter. He also has properties in 4 countries and owns a stud farm. His life style has changed but he is still a scaffolder and working class to the core.

Elbowpatch · 28/05/2025 09:44

Needspaceforlego · 28/05/2025 09:36

Not sure why it matters to you.

But to be a steam engine driver it took 5 years of training. They were the Airline Pilots of their day.
A shunter would have had the same training as a driver.

Would you say a airline pilot was working class?

When the OP’s partner’s father was employed, a shunter essentially coupled wagons and coaches together using a hook on the end of a stick.

Not quite the same thing as being a pilot.

Westfacing · 28/05/2025 09:44

I'm surprised to see that you're 53 - you sounded very young and naive with your questioning if it's a working job and then being surprised it is as it's relatively well paid.

TheAmusedQuail · 28/05/2025 09:44

I'd say it's a less skilled job than a train driver, but is still able to drive a train enough to do essential, local tasks.

Rail jobs aren't paid as well as they used to be sadly. A friend has just given up a white collar job with the rail services. Used to work for BR but salary has stagnated since the change.

heavenisaplaceonearth · 28/05/2025 09:44

I was born 1972 my mum born 1931

OP BORN 1972
OPs mum 1931
OPs gran 1890
OPs great gran with 5 children after 40 1850!!!

natural live births after 40 are fairly rare but 5 of them including twins is just amazing. With no robust postnatal care. Your great grandmother must have been extraordinary.

Dotjones · 28/05/2025 09:42

Working class means low paid or (perhaps ironically) unemployed. If someone has a job at or above the national average salary then they're no longer working class. You can't be wealthy and working class, you can't be comfortable and working class. Being working class means struggling to get by. Not "struggling to pay for a holiday" or private school or a new iPhone every five years, but struggling to pay your rent, energy bills and putting food on the table.

Obviously in the OP's case foodbanks weren't really a thing back then, but these days if you're not reliant on foodbanks, you're not working class. If you don't have a prepay energy meter, you're not working class.

InvasiveSpecies · 28/05/2025 09:39

MrsHamlet · 28/05/2025 09:27

A relative of mine a was a shunter. Until he got crushed.

Yes, it was a dangerous job, hence the comparatively good pay!

BCBird · 28/05/2025 09:39

Does it matter? In terms of logistics I can understand someone thinking about whether the other person can pay their way. The job they do surely is irrelevant. Being intellectually compatible is important

Tortielady · 28/05/2025 09:37

The question of what job a parent did and the class affiliation of that job (if any) arises from time to time in the questionnaires and surveys my university sends round. They have a fair number of first gen students enrolled, so it's not surprising.

My Dad did a lot of things, one of which was working as a warehouse clerk. It was poorly paid with little scope for progression, but it was indoors, reasonably clean, with a workspace and desk. It was regarded as unskilled, but relied on Dad's good basic skills. He left school in the 1950s, when the vast majority of people reached that milestone able to read reasonably well, but a few struggled with writing and number work. Dad (as far as I remember) didn't have problems with any of that, (his handwriting and maths were far better than mine) but because the job didn't require skills beyond schooling up to the age of 14, it was unskilled.