Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

What a ridiculous comment. So unless someone is in a position to set up an adoption clinic they're not entitled to an opinion on abortion?

Out of interest what are you doing to facilitate the end of the Ukraine war or to negotiate peace with Israel/Palestine? If you're not doing anything then I hope you're not giving any opinion on it

Who is arguing for abortion to term without medical cause?

Personally I think the current rules are a sensible balance.

I think it is dangerous though that some MPs are trying to decriminalise the whole thing though, so that abortions up to term would not be prosecuted.

They are going to end up turning this into a culture war battle, which is not needed when the current rules are fine.

But not a question relevant to when you consider a foetus to be a person, which is at a very early stage of gestation.

I ignored your question to be honest as it’s utterly irrelevant to this debate. That would be illegal under current law so not a scenario worth discussing?

We don't have the death penalty in this country because of the outlier possibility that someone innocent might be executed. Even in an age of DNA, copious CCTV and digital footprints it's still thought not worth the risk that one life might be unjustly taken.

Yet the majority on here think it perfectly fine to allow abortion up to birth because no mother would EVER chose this due to less than scrupulous reasons. There would never be a mother with a chaotic life, addictions, domestic issues, mental health problems, or any other problem that would mean she'd choose to "abort" a perfectly healthy baby at 40 weeks. When it comes to abortion the whole "all life is sacred / one innocent is too many", shtick goes out the window.

As people have pointed out you can have a late term abortion for medical reasons ANYWAY. And just because YOU personally would never abort a 40 week old healthy baby doesn't mean there wouldn't be someone who would given the chance. A horrific evil.

Women seem to have a real issue with clear moral thinking around abortion. It is enormously depressing.

Anything for a headline Nigel. Nasty piece of work

A heartbeat in an actually formed and functional heart or cardiac activity? One occurs much later than the other?

“I also think more needs support and emphasis should be put on adoption.”

What are you doing to facilitate this?

Virtually nobody is having a late term abortion through actual choice though - it's generally having to choose between two horrific scenarios.

I don't think this is the reason, as others have said you can have a termination for medical reasons past 24 weeks anyway.

The f are you on about 😂

Nobody does. Even in countries where it’s permitted - nobody elects to have an abortion just before birth other than when the fetus has abnormalities not compatible with life or where the mums life needs to be saved. A heartbeat can be detected incredibly early and would mean many women would not be eligible before they even know they are pregnant. And at the stage of a heartbeat it’s not a baby, looks nothing like a baby and feels nothing.

nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.

Thought it would be higher than this tbh.

I've had 2 early abortions so am clearly absolutely not anti abortion, I supported and drove my friend to hers in December.

I am currently 23 weeks. She's kicking and moving I would break legs to save her if I was to go into pre term labour. Late term abortions aren't anything like early ones, the trauma the mother goes through physically is totally different. I also think more needs support and emphasis should be put on adoption.

Where did I say I want to ban all abortion?

What?! I spend WAY too much time on mn and have seen nothing of the sort.

This, a million times over (and I hate exaggeration, but believe the million to be relevant here).

My second sentence was a question, would you care to answer it?

Nearly every day on MN there are posts by women threatened or coerced into abortion.

@Menopausalsourpuss 15% of women feeling pressure is NOT the same as 15% being coerced into an abortion. And if you can't understand that distinction then you really are not in a position to even be part of this discussion.

How many women with larger families have commented that their extended families were horrified at their decision and suggested abortion?

How many younger women getting pregnant experience pressure from their parents or their partners to get an abortion (probably for different reasons?).

There are loads of reasons a woman might be be told by others she should get n abortion.

But many are also told they should NOT get an abortion when they want one.

It's all just part of the reality that women are consistently under pressure from.society, family and partners to do things and be things they dont actually want to do or be.

You are an utter fanatic who wants to ban all abortion. A foetal heartbeat or rather cardiac activity (the heart is not formed) begins around 5 weeks after conception, when many women don’t even realise they are pregnant. Thankfully you are in a tiny minority in the UK.

6-8 weeks then?

No relevance whatsoever to your second sentence.

As they say, you don’t stop abortion by banning it. You stop safe abortions.

You may well be right, but in fairness 50 years ago the idea of a 23-week old foetus being viable outside the womb (let alone having any quality of life) was unthinkable, so who knows what medicine might be able to achieve half a century from now! That’s why I think basing the abortion limit on viability is a slippery slope.

I don’t believe what you’ve said is ableist at all but sadly it’s often the same people who want to restrict abortion who also believe that all life is sacred and therefore don’t care about babies suffering with lifelong disabilities or pain.

A lot of abuse starts in pregnancy. I don’t know if abusers necessarily want women to be pregnant. They want them to be vulnerable and more accepting of abuse. Pregnancy can have that effect.

I suppose the question is do men make women pregnant (vulnerable) in order to abuse them? Or do they abuse pregnant women because they are vulnerable. I suspect it’s a bit of both really.

Most people on here don't like to be warned about the pernicious infiltration of US ultra-right politics. Everyone in every single country in the world is susceptible to manipulation. This is working well for the MAGA format at the moment. Don't forget, a lot of those people in the US administration are TV people. They come from entertainment, not politics, and what they're doing is trying to export their latest 'show' to the UK. Instead of The Apprentice, this is now franchised politics, with Nigel as the British host. And all of us are participants in their sick little show whether we like it or not.