Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

For all those saying “babies can survive at 23 weeks” or similar - what about when we can take a newly fertilised egg from the mum and finish the growing in a lab? What then? No abortion because it can survive? As early as possible, as late as necessary- always.

As late as necessary, as early as possible.

Pro-life is such a complete lie of a term. Pro-lifers don't give a shit about life. They don't give a tiny crap about the thousands of women who die each year because they can't access safe abortion. They just see their control over all those careless women slipping away, and that makes them angry.

How do you propose we give an non-speaking embryo/foetus/baby a say? You, or anyone else, cannot speak on it's behalf. Even if it could have a say, the woman/girl has more of a say. 🤔

Yes undoubtedly so I would say. You do realise that the majority of abortions involve taking a couple of pills right? Most women aren’t left traumatised at all by it. Even if they are traumatised by their own choice (important to clarify that we do not force anyone to have an abortion in this country - some women who have one may face external pressures but generally it’s a choice they make) then no that is not as bad as being forced to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth and live with the strong possibility of the child contacting you later in life and of your family members having contact with the child. Not to mention that the child themselves might have issues due to being given up at birth.

@SofiewooI had my scans done at 18 weeks and was told by the NHS that this was the right time to have them. It's possible to have testing for certain conditions carried out much earlier - nuchal fold scans for ex. Maybe not everything can be caught early but there are things which could be done better.

He can have his views all he wants but a man cannot dictate to a woman on this matter. Your womb, your choice. Simple as.

No it’s not, the scan timing is based on foetal development. It’s absolutely not linked to the abortion limit.
Countries that don’t have access to abortions still have anomaly scans during the same window of time, don’t be so ignorant.

It needs to be 24 weeks for medical terminations as the 29 week scan can find abnormalities that then need investigation which takes time so 24 weeks is needed for medical terminations at least I don't see how this can be reduced to 20 weeks

Because it’s not a baby yet

Yes and unfortunately the baby doesn't get any say in it

Yes I can, because we live in a democracy and I am entitled to my own opinion.

Example A- finds out later in their pregnancy a much-wanted baby will die as soon as they are born, there is nothing anybody can do about that, Mum may even die too. Mum needs to talk about that afterwards because she is inconsolable, trying to process why this has happened and raise understanding and awareness.

Example B- someone who is on their third avoidable, early abortion of a viable foetus minimising this with ‘oh well, it’s only a bundle of cells, it’s no different to using contraception’ and openly boasting about this as an empowered choice to anyone and everyone.

I absolutely have more sympathy and understanding for example A. I would listen to example A talking for hours. Example B I would have less time for.

Suppose you were told, God forbid, that your child had a horrible condition that meant they would only live a short time after birth and would spend that time in horrible pain and/or really struggling to breathe? Would you break legs to avoid miscarriage or termination in that situation?

Many year ago when I was student, I was in a debate on abortion rights with a young man who was keen to see them banned. When it was put to him that this would lead to women dying through unsafe illegal abortions he replied ‘only a few probably’. I always think of him and his casual dismissal of the lives of ‘a few, probably’ dead women.

Pretty much every comment on here includes a caveat for severe medical issues being treated differently

For some women/girls, yes, it will be.
For some, no it won't be.
They get to make the informed choice, not you.

The limit was set at 24 weeks - brought down from 28 weeks actually - on account of advances in treatments, so the timing of the scan is determined by the 24 weeks rather than the other way around.

I didn't say it doesn't happen. I asked if there were stats available.

The problem you have outlined for the women posting is abusive men, though. Not the availability of safe, legal abortion.

If that availability didn't exist, those women would be pressurised into back street abortions, as in ye good olde days that Farage wants us to go back to.

being forced to have a severely disabled child at 23 weeks could bankrupt families now, let alone with all the medical costs. Any existing siblings lives irreparably limited and damaged.

Many many many more women are coerced into pregnancy than abortion. Rape, controlling men, lack of access to contraception, incest, abuse. Should these women be coerced into giving birth? If the child is unwanted? And if the concern is for the child - how are they going to feel in later life if they find out they are the product of rape or incest?

Just because you “felt like a baby” from early on doesn’t mean every woman or girl does. Think about a 14 year old raped by a family member for instance. She might want to have the child but she might not, and that should absolutely be her choice.

no woman should be waiting until 20+ weeks for an abnormality scan!

Why? 20 & 21 weeks is the normal window of time for this scan as before 18 isn’t not accurate enough for many of the markers.

Some abnormalities are just not apparent until that stage. I had antenatal care at a world-leading centre and they couldn’t rule some things out until that point. It’s not NHS delays, it’s foetal development.

Many children wouldn’t survive when born at 24 weeks. Certainly most with underlying health conditions wouldn’t.

Is the trauma of having a baby and giving it up for adoption worse than the trauma of terminating a pregnancy of a healthy baby? Neither option is going to leave no mental scars

Again, Farage is following a script. If you look at everything he says through the prism of American politics and culture wars, it will make sense. Big US pharma has wanted access to the UK market for a long time. The NHS is a strong regulating force and an obstacle for them.

The limit for abortion obviously used to be 28 weeks. It would seem logical from what folk are saying that the 24 weeks is already the slope and that we should therefore be campaigning for a return to the 28 week limit. From this POV if you want to maintain a 24 week limit (rather than return to 28 weeks), you are part of the problem.

Once a pregnancy reaches 24 weeks, as brutal as it sounds, at this point, it is killing a baby. At 24 weeks a foetus is fully formed, it feels pain. If it was born prematurely, it would have a good chance of living.

Imo there should have to be reasons beyond the argument that it's a woman's body and entirely her choice, even if she's 9 months pregnant!

Of course there should remain exemptions for severe foetal abnormality and hand in hand with a reduction in time, should be better maternity care inc earlier testing - no woman should be waiting until 20+ weeks for an abnormality scan!