To want to know what you're sick of about men !

Yes I have for 20+ years and not once has a man been waiting in the office "faffing around" late until their kids go to bed s they don't have to do anything at home. You do realise that most men actually want to see their kids and spend time with them. Having to work late in an office in order to bring in enough money to pay the bills is a huge sacrifice. This situation will never be reversed as most women would never accept a situation where the man is at home with the kids whilst she is slogging away at the office until 9pm at night in order to pay the mortgage

A bit of washing up? Okay. Time to head off back to your mum's basement now. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll be able to find a subreddit where you can make some friends of your own...

Because y'all are a burden. Even in the households where women have a shorter working day, they're doing the vast majority of the childcare. In addition to doing the vast majority of the domestic labour.

Be clear, we can do life just fine. If men are a burden and the burden outweighs the benefit of having them around, we'll just go it alone. Life is a lot easier, even as a single parent, without the addition of a man-child.

Time to do adulting right rather than using a woman as an unpaid servant. Or become part of that large statistic of men who are divorced by their fed up, overburdened wife.

Lol. Have you ever worked in an office? It's a common joke that staying late gets you out of the early evening chaos of dinner, baths and bedtime. If you really think some of them couldn't be home a lot sooner if they cut down on the faffing about, schmoozing, chats about the football, long lunches and after work drinks, then you're the deluded one.

In my experience women are only too happy to move to part time work to spend time with kids. Most men would love to be able to work part time and spend more time at home with the kids but they don't have that option as usually they are the higher earner so they have no choice but to continue to slog away at a high pressure job until they're 70.

What is so good about spending 40+ hours in an office every week? That's not a better option than working part time and spending much more time with your children.

sort of my point. Men not being impacted by time out for mat leave or moving to part time to raise families. Not having to balance the mental load and be the primary carer. Society and the workplace not adjusting to modern needs where both parents usually work.

No, it's because they have no choice as they are generally responsible for the majority of the household bills. If you think that men are hanging around longer in the office so that they don't have to do a bit of washing up you're deluded

Males on average put in a lot more hours at work...

so that they can avoid doing a fair share of the domestic labour.

Males on average put in a lot more hours at work and are therefore more likely to get promotions

sick of road rage, space entitlement and harassment.
at work sick of seeing my male peers get more senior roles, especially when it’s over brilliant women

Is there any evidence boys are turning to Tate because they believe society views them as 'toxic'? Because my understanding is that the typical access is via his gateway content on fitness, health, career success and so on. Once there, boys and men recieve the message from Tate that society is against them. As far as responsibility for understanding goes, what form do you think this should take? And who should take it? My adult sons know the meaning of toxic masculinity, and if they didn't I would have educated them. But I'm not responsible for the misunderstanding by random boys and men of a term that they good easily Google.

I’m agreeing strongly with what you’re saying but there is a problem if we say “toxic masculinity” but men and boys hear “men are toxic”. That’s what drives them towards the likes of Tate etc. they feel that society thinks men are toxic.

i know that’s not what it means, but to prevent boys especially becoming radicalised we can accept some responsibility for ensuring they understand what we actually mean?

Why do they moan?

They do it to build solidarity with other women. To share information. To pass on resources. To support each other. To help other women see the light and encourage them to have the courage to break free. To spread the word that things are changing, that men no longer have the upper hand and that women no longer have to put up with men's shit.

How much they hate women. Sick of it.

I dunno, I think I'd quite like to read a thread like that.. it could be entertaining.

I think the 'moaning' tends to occur when men piggy back on women's ability to thrive independently, using it as a green light to do even less themselves. As women become increasingly successful in the traditionally male sphere, men need to equalise this by making a greater contribution in the traditionally female sphere. Unfortunately the traditionally female sphere tends to be seen as boring, beneath them (hence why it's been fobbed off onto women all this time). So rather than step up with some extra domestic duties as their wife's career take off, they sit back watching her out earn them AND do the lions share of the domestics. (If they're particularly irritating they will also frame their job as far more difficult and important than hers, but they are 'unlucky' or treated unfairly so are less successful, whereas she has 'dropped on'.)

If you are one of the people who understands the meaning of the term, then you know that we are not labelling the underlying characteristic of half the population as potentially toxic. So we can hardly be expected to stop doing something we are not doing in the first place.
The term toxic masculinity is extremely useful. You want us to 'focus on behaviour', so do you not think part of that focus needs to be on an underlying cause of that behaviour? As if we don't identify cause, how can we hope to prevent? I believe ideas of what it means to be a man in our society are a significant factor in male problem behaviour. We need a way to name that and we have one. We call it toxic masculinity.
If that upsets men who misunderstand the term then that's unfortunate, but unlike you, I don't believe young men are growing up in a society that is hostile to them.
I believe their advantage and privilege comparative to women is still going strong, so I'm not going to worry unduly if they're offended because they don't understand the meaning of the words I use.

Because many of us are straight unfortunately

"About 91 % of women with children spend at least an hour per day on housework, compared with 30 % of men."

This doesn't mean that women are doing 90% of the housework. It is also the case that men on average work over an hour a day more than women hence they have less time for housework.

If women are thriving why are they constantly moaning about everything?

Please explain then

If you want to even be considered as sperm donors, you need to be better.

Hahahahaha

Grateful? SURE. Cutting the grass once a month does not equate to cleaning the kitchen and cooking (as an example) daily.

By all means be selective with your data search. I have been. This is what I found.

About 91 % of women with children spend at least an hour per day on housework, compared with 30 % of men.

We're so grateful for what men do there is a male loneliness epidemic. While women are thriving. Evolve or stay single.

One of the annoying things about women is their unwillingness to do any basic research before posting on mumsnet. In around 75% of households men are the main earner and regarding housework it's estimated women do 65% of that. Plus they don't even acknowledge all the traditional male jobs that men have to do so in general women get a great deal and should be more grateful.

no more semen samples from men who exhibit aggressive tendencies

😂

Are you a man?

What strange wording . . .

I haven't misjudged it's meaning. You and I might know what it means, but the vast majority of people don't interpret it that way, they understand it to mean a derogatory term to describe men. This has consequences, especially for young men who are growing up in a society which is largely hostile to them.

We should focus on the behaviours, not label the underlying characteristics of half the population as potentially toxic.