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Mums new partner…red flags or is it me?

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AurumVox · 25/05/2025 23:12

Hi…I really need some advice if possible as I can’t tell if it’s me having an issue with my mums new partner because it’s new or whether I should be genuinely worried.

To give some context, I’m 41/F, my mum is 68. We lost our dad (step father who raised us) 3 years ago and my mum has started dating a guy (73) over the last 6 months. I met him this week as I live about 200 miles away so I’m visiting currently.

I want to start off by saying the huge amount of relief I felt when I found out that mum had met somebody, although it was hard and different I actively encouraged it as I knew how much mum was missing my stepdad who she was with for 31 years, I also worry a lot being so far away so to know that she’s been so happy and that she’s spending time enjoying her self has been the biggest relief.

In the first few months of them dating mum was really quite overwhelmed as she’s very independent, has a great network of friends and stays very busy. The guy she’s started dating is very intense and was wanting to spend all of his time with her so she was finding it hard to balance all the other commitments. I talked a lot to her about seeing it from his perspective as he has also lost his wife around 18 months ago. So I put a lot into talking things through with mum and encouraging her to communicate with him about how she was feeling etc.

About 3 weeks ago mum travelled up to stay with me and I looked after her dog while she went to her place in Crete, while she was staying he was calling her 4 x a day which I thought was a lot! Didn’t say anything though. She said this was normal for him. That he wanted to spend all of his time with her which she didn’t want. She had also said previously that lots of people disliked him because he often says the wrong thing and could be taken as rude / abrupt etc, that perhaps he was slightly lacked social skills. I again said well you know him in a different way so go with the your gut. They met through a solo group of which some of the members have apparently warned mum off him.
They get on great, and she’s said recently she’s totally fallen for him. My mum I would say is a very independent, intelligent, wise lady…so I would never have questioned her choice.

I met him this week, a couple of times now and he has been so rude to me that it was uncomfortable, for myself and for mum. The first time I let it go thinking maybe he’s nervous etc. but the 2nd time was pretty awful. I didn’t want to make a big deal and thought I’d wait for mum to bring it up which she did after he’d gone, saying she’d never seen him behave that rudely towards anybody before. I was surprised I managed not to react but instead I think I just froze and didn’t know what to do.

I also noticed he corrects her all the time and they have this constant ‘banter’ as mum calls it, where they almost argue who is right. To the onlooker it comes across as him telling her she’s wrong about everything. He also has the code to her key safe on the house. When we arrived back from mum staying with me he had let himself in and left her flowers and cooked a meal for us which was left in the fridge - which was a lovely gesture it just felt strange, like he’s totally love bombing her.

I’ve seriously wracked my brain over whether my issue is one of my own - am I still grieving, am I feeling possessive, I’ve gone over and over the mum deserves to be happy and so on. But my gut just can’t get past the way he spoke to me and how he is with her. I actually feel like a petulant child about it (which I hate!)…am I reading too much into it? Am I subconsciously trying to sabotage?! I simply don’t like him and I feel like I’m really trying to.

It’s hard because I obviously miss my stepdad terribly and its weird somebody else being here but I’m highly aware it’s her house, her life, she needs and deserves to be happy (which I want for her more than anything else) and at the end of the day my opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t matter (much).
It’s been strange because I’ve barely seen her and since I’ve been back she’s been over at his or stayed over there and when she’s been here she’s exhausted so our time has been limited. I’ve taken time off from work to come down and spend time with her and I’m pretty much just here doing very little.

I really don’t know what to do. Should I put my feelings aside despite what I feel are red flags? Or should I keep sharing my concerns which is making it really difficult?

Any advice or opinions would be welcomed - I’m realistic and if I’m coming across as bratty then I’m open to that too! I just want an outside non emotional perspective I guess?

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Mopsy567 · 26/05/2025 03:38

I agree with the other posters. He doesn't seem like someone who is good for your mum.

It is important to focus on how this relationship is actually impacting your mother. From what you suggest, she is overwhelmed by it as he is so intense, she is exhausted as he dominates her time, she is excusing his behaviours so knows that they are not right, she is beginning to be isolated from family as she is not spending time with you even though you have come to visit and won't be there long. These are all negative changes that are not too different to how victims of abuse might feel. This is different to the way you formerly described her as independent, social etc.

I would definitely speak to her. She may not be familiar with love bombing and may really want companionship but this guy does seem like he is changing who she is in a negative way - I am surprised she couldn't say no to his 6 hour round trip to visit his wife's grave. It's not a romantic trip at all and I would be wondering if he is trying to keep you away from her.

I wouldn't be shortening your visit OP. If anything, I would stay as long as I needed to find out more about him and to gently speak to your mother about your concerns. If there is a sibling or friend nearby to check in regularly with your mother when you eventually do go back, that might be helpful.

AcrossthePond55 · 26/05/2025 02:53

@AurumVox

I'm seconding what all the others are saying, this man is bad news. He's possessive, argumentative, and rude.

I think as part of your talk with her about him you should be sure (if you don't already know) that her finances are 'locked down tight', that he knows nothing about them, has never asked about them, and that he has never even 'used her card to pick up a few things' at the market.

Also, the key safe code should be changed tomorrow and him not told. His reaction to that the next time he wants to 'surprise her' should tell her a lot!

Listen, I totally get your beginning enthusiasm at the start of this 'friendship'. I was also enthusiastic when my mum started up a friendship with a widower a few years after Dad died. Things seemed to be progressing nicely when it became apparent that this man was is failing health and that his daughter was trying to push the relationship in order to be able to shift the burden of his increasing care needs onto Mum. Luckily mum picked up on it and put a large flea in her ear! Different circumstances sure, but you and I both wanted our mums to be happy and have a good companion in their later years. We were wrong in the end, but our intentions were good.

Imisscoffee2021 · 26/05/2025 02:52

This is strangely a dynamic I seem to come across/read about frequently in a relationship after loss/divorce in later life. I know a few women in similar circumstances with men best described as awkward, at worst as downright rude. Love bombing and sort of jealously hording the attention of their partner for want of a better word, is a common theme.

I'd have a chat with your mum, its hard as at 70 + she may feel she has little time to find someone else and would stay in a less than ideal relationship :(

Bigcat25 · 26/05/2025 02:21

Your mom has had people she doesn't know well warn her off this guy. There's no reason you should be more worried to speak to her about this than they were. The fact she's admitted to this, and that she finds him overbearing herself, makes it sound like she may be open to questioning the relationship.

Make it clear you want her to be happy and that you initially were very happy she found romance again.

PetsPalace · 26/05/2025 02:19

This is probably him on his best behaviour so it can only get worse.

Ask after her friends, when did she last see Anne and Sue etc. She's probably missing them so it will hopefully prompt her to meet up with them. No doubt they'll back up your opinion.
Sow a seed such as... I don't know how someone as independent/fun-loving/vivacious/lovely as you can put up with someone so clingy/grumpy/dull/rude etc.

Happyinarcon · 26/05/2025 02:12

This is all textbook narcissistic abuse. You need to get your mum to sign her assets over to you because he’ll fleece her

Threestripesswoosh · 26/05/2025 02:10

The fact that he’s taking her on an unnecessary six hour roundtrip relating to his previous relationship while you’re visiting is also horrendous. The fact she’s going along with it shows that she’s likely quite a way along the path of his control.

You might consider:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare's_Law

SpryCat · 26/05/2025 02:08

Google him just incase he’s been reported on the news

OpheliaNightingale · 26/05/2025 02:06

@AurumVox I wonder if he is being deliberately rude to cause a wedge between you and your mum? To try to isolate her from friends and family?

AurumVox · 26/05/2025 02:06

Gattopardo · 26/05/2025 01:53

He sounds absolutely awful - really bad news. You and your mum sound very kind and accommodating which makes you both vulnerable to horrible domineering men.

Before long, someone will be along to suggest this person is autistic. I can’t stress enough this is not the explanation. There is no overlap between autism and being a horrible, domineering person. And this dude sounds suffocating, domineering and a social disaster.

See, mum actually thinks he is on the spectrum and that’s how she is excusing his behaviour. I didn’t want to put that as I absolutely agree that being autistic does not make or excuse those behaviours. But this is exactly what she has been putting it down to.
On the flip side he is telling her he recognises that he ‘f things up’ all the time, that he’s trying really hard and running things past her before he writes in the group WhatsApp messages to the group they met in etc, which also just doesn’t add up. He’s obviously aware and has some control over it.

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MarkingBad · 26/05/2025 02:05

Threestripesswoosh · 26/05/2025 02:01

He sounds dangerous. He’s dominating her time, isolating her from family and friends and has access to her house. I doubt this is his first rodeo.

I agree and the fact that he was a carer for his wife could be where he learned this from. I'm a carer for a relative, have been for others too, and it can be a really fine line between care and control.Most carers are fine and not controlling but a rare few come to like the power over another person and use it to maniplate someone into anything they want. He sounds used to this and has his techniques down pat.

Threestripesswoosh · 26/05/2025 02:01

He sounds dangerous. He’s dominating her time, isolating her from family and friends and has access to her house. I doubt this is his first rodeo.

Gattopardo · 26/05/2025 01:53

He sounds absolutely awful - really bad news. You and your mum sound very kind and accommodating which makes you both vulnerable to horrible domineering men.

Before long, someone will be along to suggest this person is autistic. I can’t stress enough this is not the explanation. There is no overlap between autism and being a horrible, domineering person. And this dude sounds suffocating, domineering and a social disaster.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 26/05/2025 01:42

I really don’t like the sound of this.
Do what you can to get your mother to break it off but I would be careful how he reacts to that.

MarkingBad · 26/05/2025 01:42

That you haven't been able to spend time with your mother, and she is exhausted is very bad news OP. He might already trying to isolate her from her own daughter and it seems he is succeeding since you are considering going back early. He's already wearing her down, being rude to you, annoying the friendship group, he seems very practised at this. How soon until your mother stops attending the group?

Why is your mother allowing him to eat into your time together? Are these things that have been arranged since before you planned to stay with your mother or are they more recent? Your mother seems quite passive in this relationship already hes calling all the shots.

Don't leave early because once you leave he might take the opportunity to work on ways to stop your mother having contact with you and she could slowly fade from your life. He could take every opportunity to make your mother see that you are against him and your mother seems too exhausted already to disagree.

Glockenspock · 26/05/2025 01:31

Play her this short video about the signs of a controlling partner. It's very succinct & only a couple of minutes long. He's hitting every item, point by point.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=zDS5BumQE9c&pp=ygUdY29udHJvbGxpbmcgbWVuIHdhcm5pbmcgc2lnbnM%3D

swimlyn · 26/05/2025 01:28

waterrat · 26/05/2025 00:54

He sounds dangerous op. Sorry. Controlling and not afraid to be openly rude to you in front of her.

Oh yes, ‘not afraid to be openly rude to you’…

I haven’t seen anyone say it here yet, but it occurs to me that he is extremely confident with his coercive ways.

I say extremely confident because any man with intelligence would have realised that meeting you (and getting along with you) could be critical to his future with your mum.

To be at all pushy and unpleasant towards you is very very stupid in the circumstances.

Knackeredparquet · 26/05/2025 01:19

You don’t even need to trust your gut here- there’s enough objectively bad behaviour to say that this man is a nasty and controlling abuser. Even one or two of the behaviours you have listed would be enough for alarm bells, but there’s loads:
love bombing
intensity
excessive calls
going into a mood if she doesn’t spend all her time with him.
alienating from family ( it’s not a coincidence you haven’t see her much)
rudeness to family.
warning from friends

Don’t waste time with subtle hints- you need to tell your mum straight. You say she’s sensible and switched on- it may take a while, but she’ll
realise this is wrong. Tell her you are very worried about her.

look up some domestic abuse websites and get her to read a list of red flags- there’s probably behaviour that she has experienced that you haven’t seen yet.

WaryHiker · 26/05/2025 01:16

I meant to add to my post that it's really nice you have such a positive and supportive attitude to your mother finding someone else. It's never easy to see a parent moving on, but it seems as though you're really putting her first. Fingers crossed that you manage to get through to her and the next person she meets is someone who enhances both of your lives.

echt · 26/05/2025 00:57

So many things make this man not OK, but the stand out for me was warnings about this man given by some members of the group where OP's mum met him.
They are relative strangers yet still felt strongly enough about this.

Obviously they could all be some Rosemary's Baby coven but given the man's behaviour they're on the money.

waterrat · 26/05/2025 00:54

He sounds dangerous op. Sorry. Controlling and not afraid to be openly rude to you in front of her.

S0j0urn4r · 26/05/2025 00:52

And change the door code.

PopThatBench · 26/05/2025 00:48

Trust your gut.
My Mum met somebody under unusual circumstances and I immediately questioned the whole situation (think power imbalance/vulnerable Mum).
He love bombed the shit out of her. Flowers, perfume, all sorts of gifts within the first few weeks.
I convinced myself I was just putting my own trust issues onto their relationship.
But she never went anywhere without him. Our daily hangouts would turn into “I’m just popping in” and he would ring 3-4 times in the half an hour she was at mine. It then turned into he was always with her.

Fast forward 5 years, he crushed her beyond repair, she died 2 months ago.
He’s moving on to his next victim. Can the Police do anything? Nope.
I will never doubt my instincts again.

Shitmonger · 26/05/2025 00:43

He doesn’t sound great. I would definitely try to have a conversation with her about it and see how she’s feeling. She might welcome the opportunity to open up and talk to you. Hopefully you can work the conversation around to whether or not she is happy or where she sees the future going with him (nowhere, ideally).

Though in the examples you gave, if you literally said “Well, actually” to him that is pretty rude. And I wouldn’t engage in an argument with a person I’d just met about public transportation, especially if it was a family member’s partner. It’s a silly, pointless thing to have a debate about. Next time you have to be around him I’d practice my blandest “Oh, really?” to hit him with whenever he witters on about something like that. That will at least help you tolerate him for the time being.

AurumVox · 26/05/2025 00:43

WaryHiker · 26/05/2025 00:39

I agree with this. It was the first thing that jumped out to me from your initial post. For some reason, you were encouraging your mother to overlook her instincts in order to give a man a chance. It's never a good idea to do this.

In your place, I would be inclined to be far blunter then several previous posters have suggested. Just sit her down and list the red flags and tell her she's worth more than this. You can still say all the supportive daughterly things. But it sounds as though someone needs to get through to her, and you are the best placed to do it. Even if you have to acknowledge to her that you were mistaken to encourage her to keep going with a relationship about which she was already having doubts.

I suspect you are the person best placed to get through to her. And don't be shy to point out how weird and rude it is of her and her boyfriend to be cutting you out while you are there specifically to spend time with her and have taken time off work to do so. That one is very much on her as well as on him and may point to the fact she's already having her sense of proportion and right and wrong warped by his demands.

I know, you’re totally right. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to talk to her tomorrow evening.

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