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AIBU to think it isn't fair for school to ban skirts and dresses

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helloall987 · 25/05/2025 13:02

My kids attend an all through school they start at 4 in reception and it goes up to 18. There is a primary and a secondary site.

From September they have changed their uniform to trousers and shorts so no school dresses, skirts or pinafores allowed. All children boys and girls to wear black trousers or shorts. No school shoes either just black trainers. The two reasons they cite are modesty and a gender neutral approach so there is no distinction between girls and boys. This is for primary and secondary school pupils. My DD loves wearing pinafores and patent school shoes. I just think think that with this policy the idea of "feminity" is being taken away.

Most parents think it is a great idea but there are a few of us who want to contest it.

OP posts:
suburburban · 25/05/2025 19:52

IwasDueANameChange · 25/05/2025 19:41

DD would hate this. Shes really narrow around hips and bum, trousers never fit well and she loves dresses.

Yes when girls are little a tunic is much better as they don’t need it to fit round the waist

MatildaMovesMountains · 25/05/2025 19:50

OutandAboutMum1821 · 25/05/2025 19:47

I think everybody overthinks it.

Men and women for the most part have bodies which are very distinctly biologically different. To be frank, I’m always going to look better than my DH in a dress because I have breasts and hips. Dresses are so comfortable around your stomach when having periods/pregnant/sore tummy after having a baby, which of course don’t affect men.

I think some parents nowadays make a massive point dressing their sons in skirts, which I’m not convinced always comes from the child. I think some people won’t be happy until all women never wear dresses and all men wear dresses just to be different and make a massive point.

Plenty of men and women are happy with the status quo, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Edited

Oi, I've never had much in the way of breasts OR hips and I look bloody great in a dress. Can we stop it with the stereotyping please?

OutandAboutMum1821 · 25/05/2025 19:47

HuffleMyPuffle · 25/05/2025 19:12

100% This

It's not so much that trousers are seen as boys. It's that we still haven't moved past "skirts are for girls"

Which, BTW, is bad for girls too

I think everybody overthinks it.

Men and women for the most part have bodies which are very distinctly biologically different. To be frank, I’m always going to look better than my DH in a dress because I have breasts and hips. Dresses are so comfortable around your stomach when having periods/pregnant/sore tummy after having a baby, which of course don’t affect men.

I think some parents nowadays make a massive point dressing their sons in skirts, which I’m not convinced always comes from the child. I think some people won’t be happy until all women never wear dresses and all men wear dresses just to be different and make a massive point.

Plenty of men and women are happy with the status quo, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

LauritaEvita · 25/05/2025 19:47

It isn’t fair. Give girls the choice to wear trousers by all means but I would’ve hated this as a kid and would hate it now as a uniform policy.

Kuretake · 25/05/2025 19:47

Well I agree with you but surely the best way to extend choice is to not have a uniform. A uniform restricts choices that's the whole point. I honestly don't understand why forcing children to wear weird acrylic suits and ties (but with a skirt option) is ok but forcing them to wear trousers is a shocker.

BreatheAndFocus · 25/05/2025 19:44

Sirzy · 25/05/2025 19:19

Remembering society says boys can’t wear skirts. Why do girls deserve more choices?

That’s gender stereotypes. Thinking back to the 1980s and even earlier, I’d assumed that we’d be more laid back by 2025, but apparently not. A current male friend of mine wears dresses and skirts sometimes (and is not trans). He does get an occasional glance but no comments. The only people who will turn this round are boys and men themselves. The more they wear dresses/skirts/sarong-type things, the more usual it will become.

But there’s no “can’t”. They can wear those clothes if they want to. Most don’t want to though, and the reasons for this are largely both homophobic and misogynistic. Girls are seen as inferior so what boy would want to look like one? Just as a PP has mentioned.

Ddakji · 25/05/2025 19:44

Barbiewhirl · 25/05/2025 19:27

Sorry I misread it. Then point is similar though, parents invariably buy both uniform and non uniform clothes so have a larger influence over what the children wear when they do, but even if none of the girls at your DDs school chose to wear skirts or dresses, do you think they should be banned and have the choice removed for spurious reasons?

I don’t really care. Uniform removes most choices. Some schools don’t allow polo shirts. Some schools insist on ties. Some make kids wear blazers all year round. Some want proper shoes, others are fine with trainers.

I really don’t see how saying the uniform for all kids is now trousers is an issue.

But I would have concerns about any notion to remove the distinction between boys and girls, as the OP says, which goes far, far deeper than clothing.

BethDuttonYeHaw · 25/05/2025 19:42

It’s just a school uniform.

you DD can wear dresses and patent shoes after after school

IwasDueANameChange · 25/05/2025 19:42

Id agree with a pp that simply offering a choice of dress OR trousers resolves issues. Many many primary schools allow a range. Ours it could be grey skirt, shorts, pinafore, trousers, gingham dress or playsuit.

IwasDueANameChange · 25/05/2025 19:41

DD would hate this. Shes really narrow around hips and bum, trousers never fit well and she loves dresses.

MatildaMovesMountains · 25/05/2025 19:40

HuffleMyPuffle · 25/05/2025 19:33

Skirt or trousers isn't a huge option and is a very common school option 😒

And lots of uniforms have options - skirts, trousers, cardis, jumpers, gilets, polos etc. in company colours.

HuffleMyPuffle · 25/05/2025 19:33

Sirzy · 25/05/2025 17:42

On the issue of options - how many options does a uniform need before it is no longer a uniform?

Skirt or trousers isn't a huge option and is a very common school option 😒

Barbiewhirl · 25/05/2025 19:27

Ddakji · 25/05/2025 19:13

There’s no uniform.

Sorry I misread it. Then point is similar though, parents invariably buy both uniform and non uniform clothes so have a larger influence over what the children wear when they do, but even if none of the girls at your DDs school chose to wear skirts or dresses, do you think they should be banned and have the choice removed for spurious reasons?

MatildaMovesMountains · 25/05/2025 19:26

Sirzy · 25/05/2025 19:19

Remembering society says boys can’t wear skirts. Why do girls deserve more choices?

Boys "can't" wear skirts because anything feminine is inherently inferior in primitive societies; it's why being a tomboy is cool but being a sissy is not. And girls can shorten their names to sound masculine, but god forbid a boy have a girly-sounding name.

One day the UK will grow up, but that day is not today 🤷‍♀️

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 25/05/2025 19:26

Goingawayistricky · 25/05/2025 19:14

There’s no hiding a leak in trousers though.

Surely trousers would be more comfortable during a period?

Eh? How did you come to that conclusion?

Barbiewhirl · 25/05/2025 19:24

Sirzy · 25/05/2025 19:19

Remembering society says boys can’t wear skirts. Why do girls deserve more choices?

I agree, it should be socially acceptable for boys to wear dresses if they wish. I'm not sure why its seen as preferable to restrict choices rather than extend them out.

MatildaMovesMountains · 25/05/2025 19:24

Join the civilised world by ditching school uniforms altogether! 👌

Sirzy · 25/05/2025 19:19

Remembering society says boys can’t wear skirts. Why do girls deserve more choices?

Goingawayistricky · 25/05/2025 19:14

CowboyJoanna · 25/05/2025 16:38

Surely trousers would be more comfortable during a period? If you think about how boys have to tuck their thing to the left or right when they wear trousers

There’s no hiding a leak in trousers though.

Ddakji · 25/05/2025 19:13

Barbiewhirl · 25/05/2025 19:08

Are they prohibited from wearing trousers to school? Who buys their school uniform and their clothes for outside of school?

There’s no uniform.

BreatheAndFocus · 25/05/2025 19:12

Sirzy · 25/05/2025 17:58

Why? Why does a UNIFORM need choice?

Well, it could simply have no choice - dresses for all, no matter their sex 🤷‍♀️

As I said in my first post, ‘gender neutral’ always means the male option is the default and/or girls and women are disadvantaged in some way. This new policy discriminates against girls because girls are the majority of dress/skirt wearers. Many girls find dresses and skirts more comfortable. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean others are wrong.

HuffleMyPuffle · 25/05/2025 19:12

Barbiewhirl · 25/05/2025 16:51

To be honest I think it’s quite sad that so many people still view trousers as masculine or boys clothes. Surely we have moved well passed that?

I think its sad a gender neutral uniform can't include dresses and skirts and allow boys to wear them should they wish.

100% This

It's not so much that trousers are seen as boys. It's that we still haven't moved past "skirts are for girls"

Which, BTW, is bad for girls too

Sirzy · 25/05/2025 19:09

Kuretake · 25/05/2025 19:08

What religion bans trousers?

None! Some may choose to interpret it as that but there are none who specifically say “women can wear trousers”

Barbiewhirl · 25/05/2025 19:08

Ddakji · 25/05/2025 18:56

Yes, but if DD’s non-uniform primary was typical, they would tell you that left to their own devices, most girls will wear leggings, jeans, joggers or shorts.

Are they prohibited from wearing trousers to school? Who buys their school uniform and their clothes for outside of school?

HuffleMyPuffle · 25/05/2025 19:08

MatildaMovesMountains · 25/05/2025 16:48

You know what's warmer still? Trousers with tights underneath. You're welcome 😊

That is so much sweatier around the crotch!