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Angela Rayner set up to fail

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billysboy · 25/05/2025 06:39

I can help think that Angela Rayner has been set up to fail on her housing targets
having promised to build ( not convert old offices ) 1.5m new homes by the end of her term the government seems woefully behind
for the next 4 years 370k homes will need to be built each year to achieve this as currently 225 k new homes last year

I can’t help think that she is doomed to fail without massive planning reforms and a huge social housing building programme

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BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 12:31

2dogsandabudgie · 25/05/2025 12:27

Who will build them then and where will the money be coming from?

If local Councils are going to take over the sites where will they get the money from? In my area the Council started a new road infrastructure which has now been put on hold because they ran out of money.

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The developers will pay. The article says:

They may also face penalties worth thousands of pounds per unbuilt home, paid directly to local planning authorities.

The idea is to encourage them to get the building done through hefty deterrents. Good. Now we need to stop them hoarding land.

EasyTouch · 25/05/2025 12:30

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 10:53

Yep. I don't think he ever apologised for his language, unlike Rayner. But people seem to forget she did so and bring up what she said every single time her name is mentioned.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59081482.amp

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Nye Bevan will always be far more remembered for giving birth to the NHS and various welfare reforms that totally transformed UK society .
He was actually revolutionary and truly progressive.
If Angela manages something like he did and with the UK being in a far better position now than Bevan era post war ruin, her othering of the Tories will not be a primary association with her as well.

It's like there being a difference between an arrogant bastard being an empty vessel of people's good and bad projections ....and an arrogant bastard that backs up.their shit with tangible results.

Ms Rayner can't lace Mr Bevan's shoes. No time , nowhere, at all.
Plus the fact that political correctness was not a thing in Bevan's time as it has been for the whole of Rayner's political life.

2dogsandabudgie · 25/05/2025 12:27

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 11:38

Doesn’t look as if they’ll be allowed to wait it out. We now have a government that’s actually governing.

New rules may take unfinished housing sites off developers https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj42wz92rl0o

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Who will build them then and where will the money be coming from?

If local Councils are going to take over the sites where will they get the money from? In my area the Council started a new road infrastructure which has now been put on hold because they ran out of money.

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 12:21

Nanny0gg · 25/05/2025 12:19

16,000 people still need somewhere to live (and work)

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Yes, but that is not the fact I was correcting.

Nanny0gg · 25/05/2025 12:19

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 12:15

And then a high percentage apparently claim asylum when their student visa is about to expire

This is not true. A small percentage do. 16,000 did so in 2024. Set that against the figure of around 393,000 student visas issued in 2024.

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16,000 people still need somewhere to live (and work)

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 12:19

But but Angela says we have plenty of housing, her mathematical and critical thinking skills are amazing. Hope these pleases posters I'm trying to big up her profile 😂😂😂

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Nanny0gg · 25/05/2025 12:19

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 11:26

I know exactly why my posts are being removed, those on the left do not like criticism and unlike those on the right those more right-wing orientated don't report/shut down or lock up any one they disagree with or don't like.

If you don't like something leave it up and let others decide, but no that's not the left/socialist ideological way is it 😂

This is the left all over, they just want an echooooooo chamber 🙄

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There have been posts disagreeing and from more right-leaning posters. They're still here

However, they weren't rude and offensive.

Give that a go.

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 12:15

mumda · 25/05/2025 12:06

Oldham is going to build some flats.
Which is funny. As they've just pulled down one lot of flats just outside the centre.
You can't put families in flats. It just doesn't work well for so many reasons.
Society needs stability to create community.
We need nice houses. But we need to look at why we keep needing to build more houses.
Student migration is huge - and changes communities. And then a high percentage apparently claim asylum when their student visa is about to expire.

Oldham are building about 800 flats. Which is enough for yesterday's channel arrival number.

And then a high percentage apparently claim asylum when their student visa is about to expire

This is not true. A small percentage do. 16,000 did so in 2024. Set that against the figure of around 393,000 student visas issued in 2024.

bombastix · 25/05/2025 12:15

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 12:10

I didn’t realise it had to be one or the other.

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No it’s v important that you dig into a binary press driven narrative about everything so as to keep the division simple and the discussion

HTH. Couldn’t find an emoji for the above viewpoint

bombastix · 25/05/2025 12:13

I like the privilege of saying families need houses not flats. What they need is housing; flats are a good start. I think we are some way from saying everyone needs a house!

Nanny0gg · 25/05/2025 12:13

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 10:40

it will mean that a household where one parent earns £50k and the other is on £20k wouldn’t get child benefit anymore, but a household where both parents are in £49k would. Where is the logic in that?

You mean like it was when the Cameron government first brought in means testing?

Yes, bonkers. And that should be the first reform of it

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 12:10

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:59

Have you given up on Starmer now then? Is it Rayner all the way?

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I didn’t realise it had to be one or the other.

Nanny0gg · 25/05/2025 12:10

EuclidianGeometryFan · 25/05/2025 10:26

Sigh.
Imagine if we had a properly socialist government.
One that would set up a house-building department, compulsorily purchase land, poach employees (and contractors) from the current big companies by offering higher pay, 25 days holiday and great pensions, and lots of apprenticeships.

Then we could get the houses built.

Imagine if the government then retained the houses for social rent, instead of selling them all.

It will never happen, but wouldn't it be great?

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And if they built the houses where there was infrastructure (transport, doctors, schools) not in the countryside (which they are destroying) where many people move to without jobs or the prospect of them. Not everyone is a remote worker

CurlewKate · 25/05/2025 12:06

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:59

Have you given up on Starmer now then? Is it Rayner all the way?

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Can’t speak for @blossomtoesof course. But I haven’t. It’s not a presidency-lots of people are involved.

mumda · 25/05/2025 12:06

Oldham is going to build some flats.
Which is funny. As they've just pulled down one lot of flats just outside the centre.
You can't put families in flats. It just doesn't work well for so many reasons.
Society needs stability to create community.
We need nice houses. But we need to look at why we keep needing to build more houses.
Student migration is huge - and changes communities. And then a high percentage apparently claim asylum when their student visa is about to expire.

Oldham are building about 800 flats. Which is enough for yesterday's channel arrival number.

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:59

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 11:57

Thank you but I’m not precious about emojis. 😉

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Have you given up on Starmer now then? Is it Rayner all the way?

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 11:57

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:48

I was very tempted to respond to your first sentence with a laughing emoji. As its you, I shall refrain.

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Thank you but I’m not precious about emojis. 😉

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:56

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:48

I was very tempted to respond to your first sentence with a laughing emoji. As its you, I shall refrain.

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Paragraph, not sentence.

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 11:48

We just need "snowflake " and "woke" to complete the bingo card.

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:48

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 11:38

Doesn’t look as if they’ll be allowed to wait it out. We now have a government that’s actually governing.

New rules may take unfinished housing sites off developers https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj42wz92rl0o

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I was very tempted to respond to your first sentence with a laughing emoji. As its you, I shall refrain.

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 11:39

ilovesooty · 25/05/2025 11:38

hurty words 🙄

😂

ilovesooty · 25/05/2025 11:38

hurty words 🙄

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 11:38

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:35

Rayner and her team do have a reputation in the industry for dunnings-kruger syndrome. That won't help her.
The big house builders may just wait it out until Labour get desperate enough to start bending the rules (which benefits the house builders) and throwing money around.

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Doesn’t look as if they’ll be allowed to wait it out. We now have a government that’s actually governing.

New rules may take unfinished housing sites off developers https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj42wz92rl0o

Angela Rayner pictured at a building site wearing a yellow hi-vis jacket and a black hard hat

Unfinished housing sites may be taken off developers under new rules

The plans form part of a drive to boost housebuilding in England to 1.5 million new homes by 2029.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj42wz92rl0o

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 11:37

ilovesooty · 25/05/2025 11:33

Your posts were presumably removed because they breached the guidelines. I didn't report them but someone obviously did. Take it up with MNHQ if you don't like it.

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When did I say I don't like it, quite contrary it backs up what I'm saying. Look at the polls and who is backing whom in the political landscape, shutting people down and blocking speech because of hurty words are why people are now turning to alternative parties, I say good let them continue. 😂

TheNuthatch · 25/05/2025 11:35

bombastix · 25/05/2025 11:26

I imagine this was exactly the reason she got the job! Her ideas are to actually change things, not please house builders who are doing very nicely already!

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Rayner and her team do have a reputation in the industry for dunnings-kruger syndrome. That won't help her.
The big house builders may just wait it out until Labour get desperate enough to start bending the rules (which benefits the house builders) and throwing money around.