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Angela Rayner set up to fail

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billysboy · 25/05/2025 06:39

I can help think that Angela Rayner has been set up to fail on her housing targets
having promised to build ( not convert old offices ) 1.5m new homes by the end of her term the government seems woefully behind
for the next 4 years 370k homes will need to be built each year to achieve this as currently 225 k new homes last year

I can’t help think that she is doomed to fail without massive planning reforms and a huge social housing building programme

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nahthatsnotforme · 25/05/2025 16:03

She doesn’t need any help to fail

bombastix · 25/05/2025 16:02

I don’t know but I’m not sure who should be more insulted by the “working class” comment????

ruffler45 · 25/05/2025 16:01

Cant see her being a success on the international stage, more experienced politicans have and would eat her alive...

CurlewKate · 25/05/2025 15:56

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 15:40

Rayner is as working class as they come 😂

Are you suggesting she isn’t?

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:52

hartfelt · 25/05/2025 14:42

Surely the easiest solution to the housing crisis is to reduce demand by massively reducing immigration which is where the majority of new household formation/demand comes from, especially when unemployment and underemployment are at an all time high and the benefits bill is exploding.

There are never going to be enough homes built if you have excess demand of 500k plus people per year, it's just not do-able and is the elephant in the room. Eventually families will start living 5+ people to a room, paying thousands for the privilege and politicians will act like they didn't understand how this country got there. It's bonkers.

Have you got a source for unemployment being at all-time high, please?

My memory is that the unemployment rate was above 10% in the early 80s, and I suspect it's far lower than that now. And, if my memory's correct, even the >10% wasn't as high as unemployment in the 1930s.

The "benefits bill" includes pensioners, who are now living longer than ever, and people who are unable to work for health reasons. Reducing immigration will do nothing to mitigate that. And we have shortages of workers in many areas; this article explores some of the reasons:

What’s Causing the UK Labour Shortages?

Understand the main factors contributing to the UK labour shortages. Discover 4 ways companies can recruit talent in a candidate-led market.

https://factorialhr.co.uk/blog/whats-causing-the-uk-labour-shortages/

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 15:40

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:17

She's nothing like Corbyn. She's much more of a pragmatist and nowhere near as left wing. Very different backgrounds, too, Corbyn comes from a comfortable middle-class family and Rayner is as working class as they come.

Rayner is as working class as they come 😂

Angela Rayner set up to fail
LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:34

midlandsmummy123 · 25/05/2025 11:24

Other than working as a care worker when she left school I believe she's only ever worked for the labour party, if she'd worked for some large house building companies or social housing organisation she might have more understanding.

I don't think she's ever been a Labour party staffer.

Are you getting confused with her working for Unison?

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:17

Livelovebehappy · 25/05/2025 09:04

She's very much cut from the same cloth as her chum Corbyn. And look how much support he had from the public when he stood against Boris. She's old Labour and as far to the left as you can go. She's lucky she holds a position of power within the party, because she's so out of her depth, it's embarrassing. I don't think her thinking aligns with Starmer at all, but of course she has to plod along with it.

She's nothing like Corbyn. She's much more of a pragmatist and nowhere near as left wing. Very different backgrounds, too, Corbyn comes from a comfortable middle-class family and Rayner is as working class as they come.

Bluebrain · 25/05/2025 15:13

According to press today, Sunday, Govt looking to take unbuilt land from developers. I hope they find a way to do this. If Rayner's dept take back and sell it to someone willing to build within a time limit.
Broader problems with Angela Rayner are to do with her being Left wing like Corbyn and very sympathetic to anything the Trade Unions ask for like the new 'rights' she is planning. Within Government there is resistance because it will not promote growth.

Bluebellwood129 · 25/05/2025 15:13

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 10:30

Me too. I’m very much hoping she’ll be Labour’s first female leader. She’s an incredibly impressive woman.

She most certainly isn't. There are numerous truly inspirational women worldwide. Angela Rayner will never be one of them.

mumda · 25/05/2025 15:11

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 12:15

And then a high percentage apparently claim asylum when their student visa is about to expire

This is not true. A small percentage do. 16,000 did so in 2024. Set that against the figure of around 393,000 student visas issued in 2024.

Edited

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821f334ced319d02c906103/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-web-optimised.pdf

Adding to all the effects of increases in legal net migration – including some of the key drivers set out above – has been the increase in recent years in the numbers of people arriving illegally in the UK or staying illegally when they have no right to remain here, adding to the UK’s unacceptably high asylum backlog and asylum accommodation costs, From 2018-2024, 220,000 people were found to have arrived via irregular means (150,000 having crossed the Channel in small boats),10 the vast majority of whom claimed asylum. This is in addition to people who claim asylum having arrived legally in the UK on visas intended for study, work or visitor purposes, including 40,000 in 2024.
Which references:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/source-of-asylum-claims-in-2024/source-of-asylum-claims-in-2024

This is part of the problem. You can't keep letting millions in and not expect that to impact on the basics like housing and health care.

In total, 3.1 million visas were granted in 2024, allowing individuals to come to the UK to visit, work, study or join family members. This figure will exclude the large numbers of visitors who do not require a visa or ETA to travel to the UK. There have also been 1.1 million ETAs granted to visitors between the launch of the scheme (October 2023) and the end of 2024.

HoskinsChoice · 25/05/2025 15:06

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 10:24

Ever heard of Nye Bevan?

Yes. Are you comparing what is acceptable in the 1940's to current day?

Orangemintcream · 25/05/2025 14:59

Julen7 · 25/05/2025 13:49

This is awful

It is awful. It is currently at the committee stage before going through its third reading.

Remember who it was that allowed this in years to come.

2dogsandabudgie · 25/05/2025 14:55

Julen7 · 25/05/2025 13:49

This is awful

I agree, once we've lost large parts of the countryside you can't get it back, not to mention the effect it has on wildlife.

hartfelt · 25/05/2025 14:42

Surely the easiest solution to the housing crisis is to reduce demand by massively reducing immigration which is where the majority of new household formation/demand comes from, especially when unemployment and underemployment are at an all time high and the benefits bill is exploding.

There are never going to be enough homes built if you have excess demand of 500k plus people per year, it's just not do-able and is the elephant in the room. Eventually families will start living 5+ people to a room, paying thousands for the privilege and politicians will act like they didn't understand how this country got there. It's bonkers.

Julen7 · 25/05/2025 13:49

Orangemintcream · 25/05/2025 13:38

They are doing compulsory purchase. In the press today.

They are also bringing in massive planning reform that will allow development on any protected habitat or with any protected species without any surveys or mitigation for a levy. Which will supposedly benefit nature on a national level. How when they don’t know what’s been lost due to no surveys I’ve no idea.

It’s absolutely horrific and will be devastating for nature.

But it likely will get houses built faster.

This is awful

Orangemintcream · 25/05/2025 13:38

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 13:25

I wonder how much PP has been granted for housing development that hasn't been built yet? In my small town, there's a site that has had PP for 400 homes for over 20 years, and no work has started. There are a few smaller sites that have PP for anything from 4 to 32 properties, so probably another 100-200 homes. If it's a similar picture across the country as a whole, that's a lot of homes that already have consent.

They could start by insisting developers actually build the homes they've got consent for and compulsorily purchase the sites if they don't. Then they can start on all the land that developers have "land banked" but won't build yet because they want to restrict supply to keep prices high.

The biggest obstacle would probably be labour availability. They could get round that by allowing unlimited immigration for construction workers, that would have the added bonus of enraging Reform supporters. 😉

They are doing compulsory purchase. In the press today.

They are also bringing in massive planning reform that will allow development on any protected habitat or with any protected species without any surveys or mitigation for a levy. Which will supposedly benefit nature on a national level. How when they don’t know what’s been lost due to no surveys I’ve no idea.

It’s absolutely horrific and will be devastating for nature.

But it likely will get houses built faster.

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 13:25

billysboy · 25/05/2025 08:00

Thats what I am wondering , i get the impression that the elite boys have had to have her on the team and then saddled her with an impossible task as the number of homes to be built will just keep compounding

I wonder how much PP has been granted for housing development that hasn't been built yet? In my small town, there's a site that has had PP for 400 homes for over 20 years, and no work has started. There are a few smaller sites that have PP for anything from 4 to 32 properties, so probably another 100-200 homes. If it's a similar picture across the country as a whole, that's a lot of homes that already have consent.

They could start by insisting developers actually build the homes they've got consent for and compulsorily purchase the sites if they don't. Then they can start on all the land that developers have "land banked" but won't build yet because they want to restrict supply to keep prices high.

The biggest obstacle would probably be labour availability. They could get round that by allowing unlimited immigration for construction workers, that would have the added bonus of enraging Reform supporters. 😉

myplace · 25/05/2025 13:13

IHateMoist · 25/05/2025 10:54

That’s because so many ungrateful adult brats treat their parents like total shit nowadays and dress it up as ‘boundaries’.

There may be some in this camp. The ones I know it’s the parents who are entitled brats and make their dc’s lives miserable.

I know it’s not a generational thing though because many of my friends have lively parents. It’s a just some of that generation that are obnoxious, like with every generation.

bombastix · 25/05/2025 12:56

I wouldn’t be reassured on the use of the world may. What that means is that the counsel can, not an argument about if it happens…

2dogsandabudgie · 25/05/2025 12:53

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 12:31

The developers will pay. The article says:

They may also face penalties worth thousands of pounds per unbuilt home, paid directly to local planning authorities.

The idea is to encourage them to get the building done through hefty deterrents. Good. Now we need to stop them hoarding land.

The word used is "may" so nothing definite.

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 12:48

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 12:39

Ms Rayner can't lace Mr Bevan's shoes.

I suspect if he was still alive Mr Bevan would adore Ms Rayner.

That is a very good point.

BIossomtoes · 25/05/2025 12:39

Ms Rayner can't lace Mr Bevan's shoes.

I suspect if he was still alive Mr Bevan would adore Ms Rayner.

PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 12:38

EasyTouch · 25/05/2025 12:30

Nye Bevan will always be far more remembered for giving birth to the NHS and various welfare reforms that totally transformed UK society .
He was actually revolutionary and truly progressive.
If Angela manages something like he did and with the UK being in a far better position now than Bevan era post war ruin, her othering of the Tories will not be a primary association with her as well.

It's like there being a difference between an arrogant bastard being an empty vessel of people's good and bad projections ....and an arrogant bastard that backs up.their shit with tangible results.

Ms Rayner can't lace Mr Bevan's shoes. No time , nowhere, at all.
Plus the fact that political correctness was not a thing in Bevan's time as it has been for the whole of Rayner's political life.

Nye Bevan will always be far more remembered for giving birth to the NHS and various welfare reforms that totally transformed UK society
He was actually revolutionary and truly progressive

Of course. Yet many, many people forget all that and at the moment are happy to support Reform, a party which would undo much of Bevan's work.

bombastix · 25/05/2025 12:31

I too would like to know about the money as the inference of these powers is that transfers would be below market rate or construction companies might be footing the bill. It implies a strong possibility of nationalisation. If so, very ballsy stuff from Rayner