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To cancel DD’s dance comp after what she said to her little brother?

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Blondra · 24/05/2025 18:12

Bit of a long one, sorry in advance.

Had a nightmare of an afternoon. Was rushing around trying to get everything sorted for tomorrow, eldest (11, Yr 7) has a dance comp she’s been banging on about for weeks. Spent half my bloody life glueing gems to a crop top she INSISTED she had to have.

Anyway, little one (8) accidentally knocked over a glass of juice and it went all over said top. He was already in tears, bless him, before she absolutely LOST it and called him “a freak who ruins everything” right in front of me.

I told her she was being horrible and she needed to apologise. She rolled her eyes and said “he is though” then stormed upstairs slamming doors.

I was fuming and told her she’s not going to the comp now. Cue full meltdown, crying, saying I’ve ruined her life etc. Now she’s sulking in her room, hasn’t come down since.

Partner thinks I’ve gone too far and should’ve just sent her tomorrow and “had a word” but I’m sick of her attitude and the way she treats her brother. He’s not easy, no, but he’s her sibling and it’s not on.

AIBU to follow through and not let her go? Or have I made it worse now by cancelling it when she’s been looking forward to it for months?

I just want to do the right thing but feel like I can’t win sometimes.

OP posts:
HuffleMyPuffle · 26/05/2025 17:25

I get it. I would not make her(OP) life a misery by you lot on here castigating her for her judgement.

  1. She wanted to make her DD life a misery for her judgement so it's the same
  2. She came on MN, AIBU to ask for advice and we are giving her that advice. Her one reply hasn't shown too much reflection so she is rightly still being asked to reflect on her favouritism

Not that I expect OP is even reading these any more

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:23

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:16

that is just an excuse.

Not at all. Wouldn't you? Accidents happen, whether in show jumping or dancing competitions, or any other event.

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:21

Vanishedwillow · 26/05/2025 17:09

Hang on. OP said she went too far, snapped and lost patience, resulting in her behaving in exactly the same way she was punishing her daughter for.
So who’s punishing OP then?

What punishment do you think the OP deserves?

willowthecat · 26/05/2025 17:20

My final thought is it makes me re think estrangement threads on Gransnet - it's not really the incident itself, after all drinks get spilled, children call names but the anger towards the daughter is stark as is the favouritism of the son - but i hope this can be addressed before it's too late !

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:20

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:04

do you not get it? She lost her patience. She didn't think at all, she reacted.

I get it. I would not make her(OP) life a misery by you lot on here castigating her for her judgement.

The OP conveyed to her daughter the fact that she should not have reacted to her DB spilling the fruit juice with such emotion.

There has to be some emotion shown by OP in order to issue the punishment. If that fitted what her DD did, then she should not feel regret/

What would you have done instead?

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:18

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:11

So what punishments do you give your children?

I have not said whether the punishment was right or wrong.

It is, though far far better than smacking. What would you have done?

If the OP instinctively felt that for her DD to enter the competition was beyond her emotions, then whether for punishment or otherwise, she should stick to her guns.

That's an excuse and you know it. She didn't instinctively feel anything and wasn't considering the competition except as a method of punishing her daughter.

HuffleMyPuffle · 26/05/2025 17:18

If the OP instinctively felt that for her DD to enter the competition was beyond her emotions

She didn't think her daughter wasn't emotionally ready for the competition...

She took something very important away from her daughter because her daughter was upset about her brother ruining something else important to her

She did it to punish and hurt her daughter

GreenCandleWax · 26/05/2025 17:18

llizzie · 26/05/2025 16:12

People have different views on what is 'harsh' and 'disproportionate' when it comes to punishment.

How would you have dealt with it?

The OP did what she felt was the right thing to do in the circumstances.

She may regret her decision, but that is not the point. At that time it seemed to her the right decision to make.

Children know the difference between right and wrong when they are very young. They lose their innocence in a very short time after birth, something not always realised.

When a baby is only lifted out of it's cot when it cries, it will go through childhood - and even life - thinking that whenever it cries it will get attention. There are plenty of threads which show that happens too often.

She didn't make a "decision" - she "lost it" and was fuming - the exact same thing that she thinks deserves a "punishment" in her child. She does not apply the same to herself - and she is an adult, not a child whose emotional regulation is not yet mature. So hypocritical.
In any case, a child's angry expression of an authentic feeling is not something that requires punishment but understanding and guidance. Some replies on here are truly shocking.

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:17

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:12

So you are all telling the OP she went too far and decided some sort of mental torment might teach the OP a lesson?

nope she didn't choose decide or anything else, she reacted, the same as her daughter reacted.

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:16

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:13

I would want to make absolutely sure my DD was confident prior to an event she is entering.

that is just an excuse.

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:13

Daisyblue2 · 26/05/2025 17:00

I did not say she should not be corrected. But thats different to punishment. Yes talk to her .and no not everyone would be annoyed about gemming a costume, it all part of supporting your child in an activity you allowed them to do. If you cant be bothered to do what it take then dont let them start at all

I would want to make absolutely sure my DD was confident prior to an event she is entering.

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:12

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 16:37

no she didn't make her decision....in her own words
"I know I probably went too far, it’s just been one of those days where everything builds up and I lost my patience."

So you are all telling the OP she went too far and decided some sort of mental torment might teach the OP a lesson?

HuffleMyPuffle · 26/05/2025 17:12

Vanishedwillow · 26/05/2025 17:09

Hang on. OP said she went too far, snapped and lost patience, resulting in her behaving in exactly the same way she was punishing her daughter for.
So who’s punishing OP then?

Maybe we should make OP miss something important to her because she had an emotional reaction

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:11

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 16:32

the 1800's called. They want to know when you are coming back

So what punishments do you give your children?

I have not said whether the punishment was right or wrong.

It is, though far far better than smacking. What would you have done?

If the OP instinctively felt that for her DD to enter the competition was beyond her emotions, then whether for punishment or otherwise, she should stick to her guns.

HuffleMyPuffle · 26/05/2025 17:11

The OP punished her daughter for her behaviour in the way she thought fit.

Which doesn't mean it was acceptable or that we cannot point out she was wrong to act that way

DD was angry, she said something hurtful but she wasn't aggressive and could have been worse. She was then treated differently to her brother, who was given a pass for his damage. Her feelings of inadequacy and place as second fiddle were confirmed by the way her mother reacted

To then miss out on something so important to her because of her brother's actions would not help her, it would emotionally damage her

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:10

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:07

She punished her DD for a tantrum in the way she felt was appropriate at the time.

What would you have done?

I keep saying it, she reacted with no thought or decision making on what is appropriate. I am not going to get into what I would have done. I believe that this goes deeper than this one episode.

Vanishedwillow · 26/05/2025 17:09

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:00

So? The OP wondered if she went too far. So what? I did not say she did. I reserve judgement, but at the time she thought it was right, and to change it would look like capitulation, and what then?

At the time the OP thought it was suitable. Perhaps it was, because if the DD became so angry and upset, perhaps she should not go anyway. Children should be confident when they enter something like that.

I would not let my DD enter into a pony show unless I was sure she was confident. If showing such temper as the OP's DD showed, then the OP was right to ground her.

Hang on. OP said she went too far, snapped and lost patience, resulting in her behaving in exactly the same way she was punishing her daughter for.
So who’s punishing OP then?

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:07

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:04

do you not get it? She lost her patience. She didn't think at all, she reacted.

She punished her DD for a tantrum in the way she felt was appropriate at the time.

What would you have done?

Grammarnut · 26/05/2025 17:06

Blondra · 24/05/2025 18:12

Bit of a long one, sorry in advance.

Had a nightmare of an afternoon. Was rushing around trying to get everything sorted for tomorrow, eldest (11, Yr 7) has a dance comp she’s been banging on about for weeks. Spent half my bloody life glueing gems to a crop top she INSISTED she had to have.

Anyway, little one (8) accidentally knocked over a glass of juice and it went all over said top. He was already in tears, bless him, before she absolutely LOST it and called him “a freak who ruins everything” right in front of me.

I told her she was being horrible and she needed to apologise. She rolled her eyes and said “he is though” then stormed upstairs slamming doors.

I was fuming and told her she’s not going to the comp now. Cue full meltdown, crying, saying I’ve ruined her life etc. Now she’s sulking in her room, hasn’t come down since.

Partner thinks I’ve gone too far and should’ve just sent her tomorrow and “had a word” but I’m sick of her attitude and the way she treats her brother. He’s not easy, no, but he’s her sibling and it’s not on.

AIBU to follow through and not let her go? Or have I made it worse now by cancelling it when she’s been looking forward to it for months?

I just want to do the right thing but feel like I can’t win sometimes.

Way OTT. In general I would say follow through, though, since once a punishment has been decided then you do it (cue, never say 'you won't be coming to Alton Towers' or whatever if that is going to cause a major management problem when it had to be done). However, it sounds like little brother is often doing things and possibly getting away with them - or why do you say he is hard work? And she is eleven, on the cusp if not over the edge of adolescence and liable to be incandescent about nothing. Say she must apologise to her brother and let it go.

NB 'siblings', a child of gender ideology implying you don't know someones gender ID and this matters (it doesn't), is a horrid way of saying 'her brother', he's her brother (because we know his sex)! (End of small rant)

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:06

Vanishedwillow · 26/05/2025 16:29

Children’s brains are not fully developed until early 20s. Whilst they may understand right and wrong, they will also be battling (in DDs case) raging hormones, a family dynamic tipped in favour of DS due to his difficult behaviour’ and all the issues that come with the teenage years. The kind of parenting you’re talking about is from an era before we had an understanding of the complexities of the developing human brain. It has no relevance here.

And you know all that because?

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 17:04

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:00

So? The OP wondered if she went too far. So what? I did not say she did. I reserve judgement, but at the time she thought it was right, and to change it would look like capitulation, and what then?

At the time the OP thought it was suitable. Perhaps it was, because if the DD became so angry and upset, perhaps she should not go anyway. Children should be confident when they enter something like that.

I would not let my DD enter into a pony show unless I was sure she was confident. If showing such temper as the OP's DD showed, then the OP was right to ground her.

do you not get it? She lost her patience. She didn't think at all, she reacted.

llizzie · 26/05/2025 17:00

godmum56 · 26/05/2025 16:37

no she didn't make her decision....in her own words
"I know I probably went too far, it’s just been one of those days where everything builds up and I lost my patience."

So? The OP wondered if she went too far. So what? I did not say she did. I reserve judgement, but at the time she thought it was right, and to change it would look like capitulation, and what then?

At the time the OP thought it was suitable. Perhaps it was, because if the DD became so angry and upset, perhaps she should not go anyway. Children should be confident when they enter something like that.

I would not let my DD enter into a pony show unless I was sure she was confident. If showing such temper as the OP's DD showed, then the OP was right to ground her.

Daisyblue2 · 26/05/2025 17:00

llizzie · 26/05/2025 15:01

Bad temper, if not stopped - 'nipped in the bud' - as soon as it starts will grow, and fester into a wound impossible to contain.

There are faults on four sides, as there is in all families. If there is no discipline, there is a risk of breaking down the family.

Yes, the mother is annoyed at having to fix all those beads, etc. Anyone would be. Did the DD have the right to throw a tantrum because DB accidently spoiled the top?

Even if you think DD had the right to be upset, the way she showed it is wrong. If DD is not corrected now, at her age, she will continue to do so.

Children learn from the consequences - punishment, if you will - better than other ways. Parents cannot smack their children. Children have a human right not to be assaulted physically, but they should not profit from tantrums.

Almost all very young children have thrown a tantrum in a shop because mum won't buy them what they want. Many mums give in to save face. Would you? We cannot use the 'short sharp stick' punishment any more.

OP decided to punish in another way and DH should stand by her.because both must show a united front when it comes to discipline.

If the DS makes a habit of tormenting DD, even that can be resolved without loss of temper. Just because he 'has issues' does not mean he cannot be disciplined when he does something wrong. Some kids learn easily that they can 'profit' from their 'issues'.

Because we cannot resort to corporal punishment, does not mean children go unpunished.

A punishment is only a punishment if it has meaning.

The whole world would be a better place if faults are properly corrected. Motherhood is a serious responsibility.

Edited

I did not say she should not be corrected. But thats different to punishment. Yes talk to her .and no not everyone would be annoyed about gemming a costume, it all part of supporting your child in an activity you allowed them to do. If you cant be bothered to do what it take then dont let them start at all

llizzie · 26/05/2025 16:53

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What is the matter with you? You do not like my comments. You have that right. What 'advice' did you see in my post that you think is wrong? I made a comment: you see it as advice. That is not reason for insulting me. Once someone starts insulting because they cannot think of any other response, they display weakness.

Corporal punishment. is wrong. I have said nothing which would give anyone the opinion that I agree with it. Nor have I ever meted it out. There is a law against it. There shouldn't even be a law against it, but there is, because parents just don't seem to be able to attack their children unless there is a law.

(thinking about it, there shouldn't be a parking law in dangerous places, but if there were no double yellows, people would park anywhere)

We have to have laws, because people cannot be trusted to do the right thing. If you studied Social History, it isn't that long since a husband was told that he could beat his wife so long as the stick was no thicker than his thumb!

The OP punished her daughter for her behaviour in the way she thought fit. Bad behaviour should be corrected. It was her choice. I am not even saying it would be mine, but you have to correct bad behaviour, and it has to have meaning.

Her DD was angry at her DB, for spoiling her top. Anyone would be. I am not saying he was right or that he shouldn't be held accountable. The way DD's anger is shown is aggressive and unacceptable to the OP,

Anger and aggression must be stopped, otherwise DD might think it acceptable. The OP felt that not going to the dance competition would show what she did was not acceptable. Hopefully, in the future, the DD will think twice before venting anger.

You say you would have handled it better than the OP. Well we can all say that in hindsight. Perhaps the OP had no other option?

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