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Penelope55 · 24/05/2025 18:00

Apologies in advance as this will be a long one — but need to properly explain the details to get some much-needed advice! I am not a mum yet but love mumsnet and can't think of anywhere better to get some impartial advice — totally ready to hear that I am BU.

So here is what happened: DP and I (both in our 20's) have lived for 3 years in a 3-bedroom house in a very sought-after area. We each have our own bedroom in the upstairs floor as I usually need to study and work well into the night and need my own space (I also often have family and friends overnight). On a different floor there is a completely independent room with a large terrace and an en-suite bathroom. Throughout the years we have always lived with friends renting that room and have always had a very fun, lively envoirement as we are not couple-y at all and enjoy sharing the flat. Recently, there were some huge probelems with the flat (ceilings etc) which meant a renovation was needed and our dear friend had to move out. Me and DP came to an agreement with our landlord and have carried out these renovations in exchange for a reduced rent. This means the contract is now under our name with a clause which allows subletting and we also have a very very good rent for a 3 bed flat in our area. Whilst we can afford the new rent just us two, we always thought of getting someone else to rent the downstairs room but were in no rush and were hoping a friend would move in a few months.

A few months ago, DP's brother got a job in our city and asked DP if he could move in. We were very happy and immediately said yes. Because he is family, we also agreed on a very low rent, so we shared with him our discount (which we got only through investing thousands in the flat) and gave up the really nice room and terrace as well as one of the bathrooms (the largest one in the flat). This was no issue at all and we were so happy to have him! We got on really well and had some great times. Fast forward around a month and he meets a girl, let's call her B. After going on a couple of dates it gets more serious and she comes over to spend the weekend as she lives in a different part of the country: she is lovely and we all get along. Obviously, she can stay over as much as she wants. One week after this, she gets a temporary job in town and asks if she can stay. DP's brother 'asks' by saying 'B will be staying for a couple of weeks, could be a month because of a job, I'm assuming that's okay?'. For us it was no problem at all since it was temporary. She moved in and started the job which lasted 5 weeks. After the 1st week they started officially dating and by the end of it, it became very clear that she had no intention of leaving and that she was looking for a permanent job in town. They never asked us if she could stay, but did say they would like to talk about rent. She said she didn't want to have the obligation to pay rent until she found a job. We should have seen the red flags (there were others, like requesting we don't use the living room one day so they could have a romantic breakfast) but we didn't and agreed she could pay no rent for another month and then start paying a very small amount (mostly bills) from the third month onwards until she found a job. The catch is she never found one (or really looked for one at all!). She wanted a job in a very hard to get into creative industry, but she has no experience and a degree from years ago (DP works in this industry) and she wouldn't take anything else. I offered to give her my babysitting contacs or put a word in for her in a café and she refused. She said she didn't want to take any part-time work until she found her dream job (keep in mind she has never worked in this industry after university and was working in a cafe before she moved in with us).

DP got fed up with everything and had a chat with his brother asking what she is doing and basically ended up blurting out that she was taking advantage of everyone. This is not how I would have gone about it and it was absolutely the wrong way to approach the subject but, in fairness, it was a brother to brother sort of comment. DP's brother immediately told B, who locked herself in her room and didn't come out for the rest of the day and night. I had a chat with DP and we called a flat meeting the next day in which DP profusely apologised to B, explained himself and all around made amends. We all agreed to move on, accept apologies and get along.

The problem is that ever since this happened they have been ignoring us, eat every meal in their room, come out of the room only when we are out... This is especially B as when she is away we all have dinner and have lovely times. This has made me so incredibly anxious in my own home and I feel a sense of dread everytime I go down the stairs to the common floor. I attempted a conversation and all she asked me was for details of when we will be away. They have also gone for a holiday and left their terrace door open (street facing) as well as kitchen knives outside which was so dangerous as we only caught it a couple days later and have left the kitchen very messy when we were away (we are both very clean and tidy but happy to compromise within reason, we never negged them and do most of the cleaning, we just ask that they clean up after themselves). I don't know what to do but we just want to kick them (or her) out! Especially as we never agreed to live with B! We just feel so unwelcome in our own home and this has really taken a toll on my wellbeing especially as I am studying for very important exams and finishing my dissertation alongside working. What should we do? Would really appreciate some advice as we ultimately don't want to cause any issues in the family.

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ThejoyofNC · 24/05/2025 19:47

Tell her to leave this weekend. She's a freeloader and you owe her nothing. As for the brother, he's probably best back at his parents'.

ProudCat · 24/05/2025 19:42

She's a grifter, get rid, it's up to him what he does, not your problem. Sometimes, you just have to put yourself first. If he can't see the red flags, that are literally on fire at this point, then you can't help him.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/05/2025 19:36

NO WHITE LIES. They always backfire and are far less effective than the truth.

Give two weeks notice in writing, knowing that one month is reasonable so if you have to push it a week, you have the time. Tell them it’s not working and don’t be drawn on that. <head tilt> “I know it’s difficult but it’s our home and it’s not working.” On repeat. Don’t go down rabbit holes of explanation with them. Don’t feel the need to compromise or back down. If you do, it will become immeasurably worse.

Mauvehoodie · 24/05/2025 19:26

I think you and your DP NEED to be the bad guys here on behalf of his brother. Just state it is NOT working and she (or both) need to go. Your DP could have a conversation with his brother one to one before hand just to let him know it's nothing against him and he gets he is in a hard position but if it's meant to be then they can each move back to parents and date from there and take things at a slower pace.

If they wouldn't be able to get a place together then that's ideal as it puts sone much needed brakes on their relationship.

I think you are inadvertently facilitating this toxic relationship and need to do the hard thing and cut that off. How she behaves from there will show the brother what she's really like and what she really wants from him.

Also this is your home, you're paying the bulk of the costs. Fuck feeling awkward in your own home!

SpryCat · 24/05/2025 19:25

Your DP was truthful with his brother, his gf didn’t like it, you called a meeting to clear the air but his gf won’t let it lie and making home life awkward. They left the house in a mess for you to clear up and left a door open.
One month’s notice, no second chances or be guilted into letting them stay longer! It’s not your DP’s b who the problem, it’s his gf. I would get DP to be blunt with b again, explain you both can’t live with her. Don’t worry about the fall out, he will soon have his eyes opened when he’s paying full rent and she’s still banging on about wanting to be a brain surgeon with three O levels to her name.
She is the type to latch onto a man, always have an excuse why he has to pay for everything and once they see through her, she moves onto someone else. Unfortunately for her, your DP called her out and she will continue to be passive aggressive and rude. No one puts baby in the corner!

Notlookingforwardtosummer · 24/05/2025 19:24

Tell him that you never wanted to live with another couple and they need to move out. She may move onto the next sucker if the tell isn’t as sweet.

Cherrysoup · 24/05/2025 19:23

If they can move back to respective parents, I would give them 2 week’s notice so you have time to refresh decor and advertise to sublet the flat. You do not have to give them more, you could in fact kick them out this second. It might do them a world of good to go their separate ways. She sounds like a freeloader who has no intention of paying her way.

Lampzade · 24/05/2025 19:17

Op, it is not going to get any better.

Give them a weeks notice. No need for any further discussion
Get your dp to do the deed.

Fluffyholeysocks · 24/05/2025 19:16

Yep, she needs to go. You could always say that you're aware that she no longer enjoys your hospitality so think it would be best for them to move on.

DelphiniumBlue · 24/05/2025 19:13

Your problem is with the GF, not DB really.
Tell her ( you and DP together) that it's not working for you and she needs to leave. If she has family to return to, then no reason why she shouldn't go tomorrow. I certainly wouldn't be giving her a month, or even a fortnight.If you felt like it, you could her tell that you've already explained the issues in the meeting you had, and nothing has improved, and that is why she needs to be gone.
Prepare yourself for scenes, and don't leave her in the flat without you or DP being there. She sounds just the type to cause damage as a way of expressing her displeasure. You don't owe her anything, and her behaviour shows she is not bothered about upsetting you, in fact it's probably designed to stop you from confronting her.

Swiftie1878 · 24/05/2025 19:09

Just call another ‘flat mate’ meeting.
Tell them that since the last ‘clear the air’ meeting it has become evident that this is not working.
Tell them they have a month to find somewhere else - give them an exact date.

And that is it. Simple.

Good luck! xx

CalicoPusscat · 24/05/2025 19:08

@Octoberdreaming I like your approach 😆

Like ripping off a plaster. The brother can't be the only person she knows if it's recent.

Penelope55 · 24/05/2025 19:08

CalicoPusscat · 24/05/2025 19:00

I'm shit at things like this so don't know if you should make something up about tenancy or put your foot down. All I know is that B needs to go.

There is still September if you want to travel after you've sorted this out.

Doesn't brother NOTICE how she is with you @Penelope55?

Edited

I am sure he does and they do it together (eating EVERY meal in their room etc) but I think she just says she feels unwelcome, like a failure etc and cries about it all the time (purely speculative impression). The whole reason we were so lenient at the starts is that she has sick family and seemed like she really needed a break so I wonder if he feels responsible in some way (I know I almost do!) I have accidentaly overheard her say DP put a lot of pressure on her to get a job and she feels horrible that he said she was taking advange — this was now months ago and as I said DP profusely apologised at the time and we all agreed to move on. I feel as though she is punishing us — crossed her once and she will NOT forget!

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Penelope55 · 24/05/2025 19:03

Octoberdreaming · 24/05/2025 18:33

You do not owe this CF little madam absolutely anything - you are being beyond generous contemplating giving either of them any notice at all after the way they (mainly she) have behaved.

I would speak to her on her own asap and firmly tell her that she needs to get packing tonight and be gone tomorrow and to be sure that no amount of melodrama that she turns on will work this time.
If she has nowhere to go - not your circus, not your monkeys. Brother can pay for a hotel for her I’m sure.

The brother - I would maybe offer a week’s notice or 2 weeks maximum, but it would be a gesture of goodwill for a family member.
If they won’t go - it’s time to start thinking about lock changes.
They sound a bit unhinged anyway - moving in together after a couple of dates. Bizarre.

They sound a bit unhinged anyway - moving in together after a couple of dates. Bizarre.

Yes — this is why we are so worried! At first it looked like it was going to be only 2-3 weeks and her termporary job was right in our area so kind of made some sense as we are all young but when it became permanent there was never a conversation with us and we get the impression it just kind of happened to DP's brother too (he obviously is more than willing but possibly young and lost?)

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CalicoPusscat · 24/05/2025 19:00

I'm shit at things like this so don't know if you should make something up about tenancy or put your foot down. All I know is that B needs to go.

There is still September if you want to travel after you've sorted this out.

Doesn't brother NOTICE how she is with you @Penelope55?

Penelope55 · 24/05/2025 18:55

Namechangermagic · 24/05/2025 18:36

Why don’t you sublet the flat to DP’s brother while you’re travelling for an increased rent and then tell them the date you’re returning and that they’re to remove themselves by that date?
I suppose you maybe don’t trust them because of leaving the terrace door open? But it seems the most win win solution?

She does sound like an absolute knob though, I wouldn’t like to be in your situation

They could never afford the full rent of the flat as only DP's brother works and it is a first job (which is why we were keen to help at first, it is tough out there and I would have loved to have an older sibling who could have helped me out when I was starting). We would also feel uneasy leaving them alone for that long which is why we gave up on the plans early on!

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Penelope55 · 24/05/2025 18:50

Thank you so much for the advice everyone! I find it very helpful to know I am not being overly precious!

We most definitely will do something about it soon. There is an extra complication which is that they went to meet DP's parents last week and parents have ringed us the day after saying they are very concerned as DP's brother is clearly being taken advantage of and they did not like her at all (he is also in his very early 20's just out of uni whislt she is in her mid 20's — not that this is an issue in itself but they are worried she is in some way manipulating DP's brother). They have asked us to not encourage them to move together and are very worried that they do (+ have also stated that they will not help them with any deposit money or being guarantors etc). Considering this, there is absolutely 0 chance they could get a place for themselves with a deposit and first month rent unless they both moved back home and saved (like the rest of us). I know it is not our business but we are also worried about DP's brother as when she was away on holiday we had really lovely times and no issues whatsoever, we believe he is just immature and a bit careless but not a mean bone in his body. Is there any way to handle this so as to not antagonize him? Could a white lie about max occupancy be appropriate or should we be absolutely honest?

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Nanny0gg · 24/05/2025 18:48

Namechangermagic · 24/05/2025 18:36

Why don’t you sublet the flat to DP’s brother while you’re travelling for an increased rent and then tell them the date you’re returning and that they’re to remove themselves by that date?
I suppose you maybe don’t trust them because of leaving the terrace door open? But it seems the most win win solution?

She does sound like an absolute knob though, I wouldn’t like to be in your situation

They'll come back to the flat trashed/rearranged and the locks changed!

Nor would they pay the correct rent

Meadowfinch · 24/05/2025 18:48

TwentyKittens · 24/05/2025 18:29

I'd be tempted to change the locks, bag up their stuff and tell them they can arrange pick up.

But I can see how this might not be the best solution for you!!!

Give them both one month's notice and arrange to change the locks on the day they are supposed to leave.

This.

CalicoPusscat · 24/05/2025 18:42

B doesn't sound very nice.

I assume the brother has the money for a deposit and first month's rent. Brother might hold it against you if B goes.

They're both showing a lack of understanding that the tenancy is in your name and B can't dictate your plans.

arcticpandas · 24/05/2025 18:41

Give the CF one week to move back with her parents. She doesn't have a job so doesn't need to stay in the city. You are very nice people and unfortunately some people will take advantage...

GreenCandleWax · 24/05/2025 18:36

TwentyKittens · 24/05/2025 18:29

I'd be tempted to change the locks, bag up their stuff and tell them they can arrange pick up.

But I can see how this might not be the best solution for you!!!

Give them both one month's notice and arrange to change the locks on the day they are supposed to leave.

A month is too long for OP and her DP to live like this. There is no tenancy or formal agreement, so they should asap.

Namechangermagic · 24/05/2025 18:36

Why don’t you sublet the flat to DP’s brother while you’re travelling for an increased rent and then tell them the date you’re returning and that they’re to remove themselves by that date?
I suppose you maybe don’t trust them because of leaving the terrace door open? But it seems the most win win solution?

She does sound like an absolute knob though, I wouldn’t like to be in your situation

GreenCandleWax · 24/05/2025 18:35

After the 4 way meeting you had at which your DP generously apologised to B, it was agreed to make amends and move forward with everyone getting on. But they have done the opposite, eating in their room, being monosyllabic with you, asking when you will be going out - of your own home! They have not kept to the agreement, so now insist on another meeting with all of you and tell them they have to go now, as you cannot have this in your home. Two weeks notice in the circumstances is more than generous especially as they don't pay their way.
Get them gone, change the locks, and go off your travels - you deserve it.🌸

Octoberdreaming · 24/05/2025 18:33

You do not owe this CF little madam absolutely anything - you are being beyond generous contemplating giving either of them any notice at all after the way they (mainly she) have behaved.

I would speak to her on her own asap and firmly tell her that she needs to get packing tonight and be gone tomorrow and to be sure that no amount of melodrama that she turns on will work this time.
If she has nowhere to go - not your circus, not your monkeys. Brother can pay for a hotel for her I’m sure.

The brother - I would maybe offer a week’s notice or 2 weeks maximum, but it would be a gesture of goodwill for a family member.
If they won’t go - it’s time to start thinking about lock changes.
They sound a bit unhinged anyway - moving in together after a couple of dates. Bizarre.

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