Page 19 | To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

Evedence · 2025-05-24T16:40:45+00:00

I feel, as a FWR lurker, that I would have seen linked articles to bank up the fact that trans identifying men aren't safe in men's loos, and therefore that's the rational why women should budge up and accept trans identifying men in their spaces. I'm pretty sure with a quick Google I could fund evident that trans identity men have made women's spaces unsafe (Kate delowski? The one who worked for a charity and made a masturbation video). So AIBU to wonder what hard evidence there is?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:26

Fruitbat99 · 24/05/2025 19:25

No, I've never heard of a trans woman assaulting anyone in a toilet. I jave heard of cis men attacking men and women in toilets though.

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You've never heard of Katie Dolatowski then?

Or, indeed, read this thread?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:25

Alucard55 · 24/05/2025 19:24

I think it's the feeling in their heads.

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It's in their own heads, not in the men's.

Fruitbat99 · 24/05/2025 19:25

steff13 · 24/05/2025 17:48

If trans women believe they are unsafe in men's restrooms, then certainly they understand why women believe they are unsafe with biological men in women's restrooms, right?

No, I've never heard of a trans woman assaulting anyone in a toilet. I jave heard of cis men attacking men and women in toilets though.

Alucard55 · 24/05/2025 19:24

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:23

So how would men know that they are trans?

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I think it's the feeling in their heads.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 24/05/2025 19:24

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:20

No.

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OK, I'll let u get back to your life then 😤

BruceAndNosh · 24/05/2025 19:24

My issue is that if we allow trans identified males to use female spaces in good faith, we also risk allowing other men - not trans - to access those spaces in bad faith.

Alucard55 · 24/05/2025 19:24

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 19:20

Exactly. Exactly.

And the transwomen I know do often dress like that - jeans, t-shirts, leather jackets.

Are you getting confused with drag ?

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So they look like men then and can use male spaces.

RunsWithDinosaurs · 24/05/2025 19:23

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 18:28

Trans people constitute just 0.55% of the UK population yet are 4 times more likely to experience violence than cisgender people.

They should have the freedom to mitigate that risk which is significant.

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Sources please. And while we’re at it, can we break this down please? I want to know how many times more likely transwomen are to experience violence than women. I want to know which sex this violence is at the hands of, and then the same again for transmen and men. Let’s also compare transwomen with gay men and transmen with lesbians for completeness.

And then when we’ve done all that shall we address that with anyone able to self-ID into womanhood and change the sex markers on their passports and driving licences, that all it takes in your/Stonewall’s scenario is for a rapist or paedophile to say “but I’m a woman” to gain access to our spaces. Cool with that too, are you?

BundleBoogie · 24/05/2025 19:23

Tekknonan · 24/05/2025 18:04

Of course, now we are getting women - women born women - being challenged in women's loos if someone thinks they look 'masculine'.

A lot of trans women, especially those who got puberty blockers, look no different from women born women. I have no issues with the trans women I know in female loos, whether it's me or my granddaughters. The problem is the rare predaotr taking advantage of the laws as they stood. But short of having the genital inspectors out, I'm not sure how these laws can be enforced, especially as many trans women have had surgery. I certainly don't want to have to show my id every time I go into the loo.

Which ‘transwomen’ in the public eye can you point to that look ‘no different’ to actual women?

Even the ones who took puberty blockers to prevent puberty (a minority) are totally clockable as make, especially when they move. Others, who have had facial surgery or lots of make up/hair etc still look extremely naked, especially when shown next to women.

It’s a minority of men who identify as women that have had penis inversion surgery and luckily the law says that all males should stay out of the ladies so thankfully we won’t need ‘genital inspections’ to see which man has had surgery or not.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:23

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 19:20

Exactly. Exactly.

And the transwomen I know do often dress like that - jeans, t-shirts, leather jackets.

Are you getting confused with drag ?

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So how would men know that they are trans?

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 19:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:17

Well?

If they were wearing jeans and a T-shirt, how would anyone know they were trans?

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Exactly. Exactly.

And the transwomen I know do often dress like that - jeans, t-shirts, leather jackets.

Are you getting confused with drag ?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:20

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 24/05/2025 19:19

Bore off

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No.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 24/05/2025 19:19

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:11

It's not vitriolic for women to put themselves first for fucking once.

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Bore off

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:19

Hoppinggreen · 24/05/2025 19:19

By looking at them?

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I'm talking about a trans woman in a men's toilet.

Hoppinggreen · 24/05/2025 19:19

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:17

Well?

If they were wearing jeans and a T-shirt, how would anyone know they were trans?

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By looking at them?

Butchyrestingface · 24/05/2025 19:18

A lot of trans women, especially those who got puberty blockers, look no different from women born women.

(Literal) bollox.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:18

Theunamedcat · 24/05/2025 19:17

I remember when a trans woman posted that they had a glittery knife to take into the women's toilet in case they encounter a terf I'm good with excluding them especially if they feel so unsafe they feel the need to carry a knife "just to pee"

If they're so afraid of "TERFs", why do they want to use the same toilets as us?

Alucard55 · 24/05/2025 19:17

Tekknonan · 24/05/2025 18:04

Of course, now we are getting women - women born women - being challenged in women's loos if someone thinks they look 'masculine'.

A lot of trans women, especially those who got puberty blockers, look no different from women born women. I have no issues with the trans women I know in female loos, whether it's me or my granddaughters. The problem is the rare predaotr taking advantage of the laws as they stood. But short of having the genital inspectors out, I'm not sure how these laws can be enforced, especially as many trans women have had surgery. I certainly don't want to have to show my id every time I go into the loo.

You know you can't consent for other women? Women who do not want biological men in their single sex spaces.

Theunamedcat · 24/05/2025 19:17

I remember when a trans woman posted that they had a glittery knife to take into the women's toilet in case they encounter a terf I'm good with excluding them especially if they feel so unsafe they feel the need to carry a knife "just to pee"

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:17

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 19:17

Jesus christ.

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Well?

If they were wearing jeans and a T-shirt, how would anyone know they were trans?

VickyEadieofThigh · 24/05/2025 19:17

SoThisisMe · 24/05/2025 17:53

Not in the UK it isn't no. Men are not allowed to enter women's toilets or any other facility that is allocated specifically to the female sex class. As women are not allowed to use the men's. This is the law.

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Correct.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 19:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:10

Define "normally".

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Jesus christ.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:17

Velmy · 24/05/2025 19:13

I read a news story last week about a young lesbian (who presented 'butch') who got knocked out and her head stomped for entering a woman's bathroom in the US.

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And you believed that, did you?

StormyPotatoes · 24/05/2025 19:16

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 17:50

I think it’s up to the trans person to decide which option is safer for them, depending on the situation, venue, context and risk.

Is it only trans people who get to decide this or can anyone make this decision?

Effeminate men can just opt to use the women’s toilets as it’s safer for them? Boys who are bullied by other boys at school can choose to use the girls? Men who are known for sexually assaulting children would probably be safer in the women’s too…

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:16

TeaAndToast8 · 24/05/2025 19:12

Wow, how victim blaming do you sound! You are no longer at threat, men are not allowed into female spaces.. That doesn’t mean it’s okay to throw trans people in lions den because they might wear lipstick and a mini skirt.

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Nobody is throwing them in a lion's den. Just asking them to use the toilets that have been provided specifically for people of their own sex.

How is it victim blaming when there is no evidence that they are actually victims of anything in men's toilets?