To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

Then maybe individual unisex toilets? I'm sure everyone would much prefer that than to be surrounded by potential perverts.

Wow, how victim blaming do you sound! You are no longer at threat, men are not allowed into female spaces.. That doesn’t mean it’s okay to throw trans people in lions den because they might wear lipstick and a mini skirt.

You're wrong about women being challenged in toilets, and resorting to slating people's looks is just lazy nastiness.

The only trans woman I know in real life is a nailed on 10/10 and I guarantee you wouldn't be able to pick them out of a line up if your life depended on it.

Because disabled provision is awful already and those of us who genuinely need those toilets have no other alternative

I think it’s up to the trans person to decide which option is safer for them, depending on the situation, venue, context and risk.

I’m a missing something.. Op didn’t ask, should trans women be allowed into women’s restrooms, they asked if trans women are at more of a risk in the men’s restroom than men who aren’t trans?
Yet the thread has turned into.. we don’t want trans women in our spaces. You don’t have to worry about that anymore.. It’s not allowed.
Does that mean there can’t be a conversation that acknowledges that trans people don’t feel safe and need an alternative.

Calm down, men are not allowed in women’s spaces, you don’t need to worry about it anymore!!

Why can't trans people just use the disabled loos? And no, I'm not saying it's a disability! I'm just saying, I always use the disabled loo myself if I can avoid being surrounded by trampy public loo users...

I’m a missing something.. Op didn’t ask, should trans women be allowed into women’s restrooms, they asked if trans women are at more of a risk in the men’s restroom than men who aren’t trans?
Yet the thread has turned into.. we don’t want trans women in our spaces. You don’t have to worry about that anymore.. It’s not allowed.
Does that mean there can’t be a conversation that acknowledges that trans people don’t feel safe and need an alternative.

There is plenty of evidence that men attack other men in male toilets so from that argument I guess transwomen are not particularly safe in men’s toilets no.

But I’ll tell you who is less safe - my 11 year old son who is pre-pubescent and less than 5 foot tall. He is a lot less safe than a transwomen who is probably a foot taller than him and has been through (male) puberty. But I still don’t let* him go in the women’s toilets because it would not be fair on his 11 year old female classmates who need privacy and dignity. Even if it is safer for him.

*By let I actually mean force as he would be mortified to be expected to go into the girls toilets.

I agree entirely, but where I'm coming from is they're stating something to achieve a goal. To be properly persuasive they've got to back that up with evidence, haven't they?

Calm down, men are not allowed in women’s spaces, you don’t need to worry about it anymore!!

It doesn’t matter how minuscule people think the threat is from the ‘small’ proportion of people who call themselves trans and have gender dysphoria. You let one bloke in, and you let them all in.

Women and girls are overwhelmingly at threat from men. Even more so when they are in private spaces where they are in a state of undress or vulnerable. Why don’t all the bleeding hearts care about that? Good old fashioned misogyny.

No male bodies in women’s spaces. None.

You're wrong about women being challenged in toilets, and resorting to slating people's looks is just lazy nastiness.

The only trans woman I know in real life is a nailed on 10/10 and I guarantee you wouldn't be able to pick them out of a line up if your life depended on it.

Perhaps it would reassure trans people to know that they aren't in fact the main character, that most people aren't the slightest bit interested in them, and that men using public toilets aren't scrutinising other male people wearing jeans and T-shirts for signs of a trans aura.

I’m a missing something.. Op didn’t ask, should trans women be allowed into women’s restrooms, they asked if trans women are at more of a risk in the men’s restroom than men who aren’t trans?
Yet the thread has turned into.. we don’t want trans women in our spaces. You don’t have to worry about that anymore.. It’s not allowed.
Does that mean there can’t be a conversation that acknowledges that trans people don’t feel safe and need an alternative.

Women are not being challenged in womens toilets and even if they were I think they would survive it.
And no, a lot of Trans women do not look "no different" to women. No genital inspections are required to know who is a man and who is a woman

Yes I think we're supposed to see they feeling in their heads. I could be wrong though as no one can tell me the difference between a biological man and a biological man who identifies as not a man.

No, I've never heard of a trans woman assaulting anyone in a toilet. I jave heard of cis men attacking men and women in toilets though.

You use the disabled loo when you're not disabled?

JFC.

Disabled loos are for people who can't use regular loos, not people who just don't want to use regular loos.

Why can't trans people just use the disabled loos? And no, I'm not saying it's a disability! I'm just saying, I always use the disabled loo myself if I can avoid being surrounded by trampy public loo users...

It's in their own heads, not in the men's.