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To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

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Evedence · 24/05/2025 17:40

I feel, as a FWR lurker, that I would have seen linked articles to bank up the fact that trans identifying men aren't safe in men's loos, and therefore that's the rational why women should budge up and accept trans identifying men in their spaces.

I'm pretty sure with a quick Google I could fund evident that trans identity men have made women's spaces unsafe (Kate delowski? The one who worked for a charity and made a masturbation video).

So AIBU to wonder what hard evidence there is?

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whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:57

@MissScarletInTheBallroomoof, too many words. Tapping out

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:56

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:53

@MissScarletInTheBallroom bless. Never mind then

How is it being disingenuous to ask whether there's any actual evidence that trans women are unsafe in men's loos?

If there is evidence, post it.

If there isn't, well, the OP has a point, doesn't she?

Or is your point that the OP knows there isn't any evidence, you know there isn't any evidence, we all know there isn't any evidence, but it's not kind to say so because it contradicts the received wisdom that trans women are the most oppressed and vulnerable people in society and it is against their human rights to expect them to pee in the toilets for members of their own sex?

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:56

@SigourneyHowardk

Hoppinggreen · 24/05/2025 19:55

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:50

I haven't. 🙄

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I know, and neither have I
We also can't call people stupid

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:55

TeaAndToast8 · 24/05/2025 19:53

Oh come of it with the fake innocence, disgusting bloody comment and you know it!

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Stop quoting another commenter with this so-called faux innocence.

TheKeatingFive · 24/05/2025 19:55

SigourneyHoward · 24/05/2025 19:54

I guess if the point is being gotten across that male violence is a male issue to resolve and expecting women to budge up and be kind is no longer an option... then, as you say, Cool.

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This

SigourneyHoward · 24/05/2025 19:54

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:48

Another faux innocent thread to get your point across. Cool.

I guess if the point is being gotten across that male violence is a male issue to resolve and expecting women to budge up and be kind is no longer an option... then, as you say, Cool.

TeaAndToast8 · 24/05/2025 19:53

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:42

How is that racist? 🙄

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Oh come of it with the fake innocence, disgusting bloody comment and you know it!

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:53

@MissScarletInTheBallroom bless. Never mind then

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:53

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:51

@MissScarletInTheBallroomlook it up

Still none the wiser as to how it relates to the OP.

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:51

@MissScarletInTheBallroomlook it up

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:50

Hoppinggreen · 24/05/2025 19:48

MN Talk guidelines say we aren't allowed to say people are liars

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I haven't. 🙄

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:49

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:48

Another faux innocent thread to get your point across. Cool.

What does faux innocent mean?

whatcanthematterbe81 · 24/05/2025 19:48

Another faux innocent thread to get your point across. Cool.

Hoppinggreen · 24/05/2025 19:48

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:45

Yes? 😐

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MN Talk guidelines say we aren't allowed to say people are liars

Mumofteenandtween · 24/05/2025 19:48

Fruitbat99 · 24/05/2025 19:25

No, I've never heard of a trans woman assaulting anyone in a toilet. I jave heard of cis men attacking men and women in toilets though.

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Here you go! It is rather unpleasant reading so you will need to steel yourself - poor little girl.

metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

Panterusblackish · 24/05/2025 19:47

TeaAndToast8 · 24/05/2025 19:03

But the question wasn’t, Are trans women at more of a risk than biological women, it was are trans women put at more of a risk than biological men in a man’s space.

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Transwomen are biological men. So the question is moot.

If they stopped appropriating womanhood they wouldn't be in this position.

If someone walked around blacked up in London and got beaten up it would hardly be a surprise, less tolerance for appropriation these days.

SigourneyHoward · 24/05/2025 19:45

@Tekknonan the % of TW who have had any surgery at all is minute. Plus surgery doesn't remove male physical advantage in a violent situation. Are you aware of the % of TW in prison for sex crimes.

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:45

Hoppinggreen · 24/05/2025 19:44

How is it not?
Would you have referenced her colour if she were white?

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Yes? 😐

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 19:44

BundleBoogie · 24/05/2025 19:39

Women have to moderate their clothes, behaviour and language to protect themselves from men all the time. Does that not sound sensible to you?

Regardless, there is no need for men who identify as women to use the ladies. They can use the men’s (with very few problems) or the unisex provision. High profile trans ppl like Fionne Orlander or Miranda Yardley have reported no problems in the men’s. Men dress up as women quite frequently- stag dos, theme night fancy dress parties - they’re all fine.

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More to the point, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference when women do it, because women are raped every day wearing burkhas and bikinis and every type of clothing in between.

Dressing more modestly might give women the illusion of being more safe, but there is no evidence that it works. Men attack us because we are female and therefore vulnerable, and they are male and therefore powerful. They do it because they can.

A woman wearing jeans and a T-shirt looks like a woman wearing jeans and a T-shirt.

A trans woman wearing jeans and a T-shirt looks like a man wearing jeans and a T-shirt.

So surely trans women can significantly mitigate the alleged risk they face of male violence, simply by wearing jeans and a T-shirt.

That's not an option available to women. If it were, I'm sure most of us would take it.

Hoppinggreen · 24/05/2025 19:44

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:42

How is that racist? 🙄

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How is it not?
Would you have referenced her colour if she were white?

RedToothBrush · 24/05/2025 19:43

HangryLikeTheHulk · 24/05/2025 17:50

I think it’s up to the trans person to decide which option is safer for them, depending on the situation, venue, context and risk.

Incorrect.

That ship has sailed.

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:42

TeaAndToast8 · 24/05/2025 19:41

Holy fuck have you heard yourself.. A BIG BLACK WOMAN!! what the hell has colour got to do with this topic, you racist arsehole!!!

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How is that racist? 🙄

FranticFrankie · 24/05/2025 19:41

TeaAndToast8 · 24/05/2025 19:03

But the question wasn’t, Are trans women at more of a risk than biological women, it was are trans women put at more of a risk than biological men in a man’s space.

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Transwomen are biological men!

TeaAndToast8 · 24/05/2025 19:41

BrickJoker · 24/05/2025 19:35

In Tenerife they are. A big black woman was ENCOURAGING men into the women's toilets at a club. Suffice to say, I didn't oblige.

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Holy fuck have you heard yourself.. A BIG BLACK WOMAN!! what the hell has colour got to do with this topic, you racist arsehole!!!