To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

The fact that all the trans activist come out with the ‘yes but theres single stalls….women aren’t at risk from TW….’ …. Makes me wonder, if this is the case, why don't these men/TW use the ‘single stalls’ in men’s spaces ????
Never had an answer to that though.

it’s all validation to TW…the ‘look at me in a woman’s space’ with their foot on the sink 'trophy hunter' pose photos…male entitlement at its finest.

plus all the wanking videos, and comments about listening to women pee….the rifling through tampon boxes etc…. Activists will tell you this doesn’t happen, but there’s enough evidence to prove it does….why done women want this in our spaces ????

I've never thought of it as 'its not safe to allow transwomen in women's toilets'. To me it's always been 'its not safe to open women's toilets to men, due to the high levels of male VAWG'. (Plus the many other reasons women don't want men in their private spaces, in addition to safety concerns) I don't think that view is even controversial - transwomen agree the presence of men in toilets creates a risk to women.
The controversy has always been whether transwomen should be excluded from the group 'men', and included in the group 'women' hence not part of the group that should be excluded based on risk.
To make this about whether TW as individuals are dangerous requires we agree that they are a seperate group of 'not men' and examine them separately from men as a whole. The SC ruling has been clear we should not do this, so how safe or otherwise they are as individuals is really moot.
It's also a bit of a straw man where the lovely transwomen we know who wouldn't hurt a fly are offered up, and met with I raise you Katie Dolatowski (and others) on a loop. Which just contributes to the idea that transwomen are being stereotyped for the actions of a few, when that's not the point at issue. The point has always been that access to women's spaces requires one to be a woman.

'There is plenty of evidence' - where is it, then? I've never seen any at all.

I'm sure it's been said but unfortunately being a trans woman doesn't bring down male violence eg stats have DD shown trans women can still be violent men underneath

Oh, that’s kind, but no need. Not hyped up, but am concerned for less privileged women and girls than me - that need safe women-only toilets, rape crisis centres and toilets, to name a few. I know it can be difficult to see that when you have better options available to you than others might.

Oh dear 🤦‍♀️ 🤦‍♀️ Are you trans?

I don’t care. They’re blokes so I don’t want them in there, violent or not. They make me feel uncomfortable so that’s all that matters. They either need to go to the men’s or the disabled loos.

So are you suggesting we allow all gay men in women’s toilets as well? I mean, why should one group of men be protected and another not?

Nope. I know man which is an adult human male and woman which is an adult human female. I am assuming cis is a word made up by the TRA?

Succinctly put. For me, this is one of the most important considerations in the whole debate (which shouldn’t even be a debate.) How are we supposed to know we are safe? If a man, who identifies as a man (I’m not using that stupid cis word), walks into the women’s toilets, we are immediately on our guard because he shouldn’t be there. We are suspicious. We might quickly walk out - if we’re lucky - I mean what is he doing there if not to do something criminal? If same man walks in wearing a dress, we are supposed to ignore our natural instinct to be wary and just casually continue what we’re doing. Any man could do that. Any man at all. The sort of man who wants to sexually assault a woman is going to take/create any opportunity he can. And he can stand there, in his dress, while we trip over ourselves trying to be nice and respectful, all the while semi-unwittingly placing ourselves in a more vulnerable situation. It’s a fucking disgrace that women should have to spend time worrying about this nonsense.

So why do you think one group of men should get privileged treatment and allowed to use an alternate space and not others?

I note your total lack of regard for women who want male free spaces - we are the majority after all.

Nah, only trans people are allowed a voice and their decisions trump all. Doesn’t matter how women feel anymore, it only matters that the trans female fantasy is maintained

I’m so glad to see reasonable people in this thread. This is a topic no one can go against without being called all sorts of names, cos only one opinion matters eh?

Trans men should no be in women’s toilets. Trans women should not be in men’s toilets. The end. Biological male cosplaying as a female wants to use the women’s toilets to feel more comfortable (read: to aid their fantasy), so screw how women feel? It’s absolutely ridiculous. Why should I, as a woman and as a mother of 2 daughters, be made to feel uncomfortable or unsafe just so someone else doesn’t feel that way?

I don’t care how you choose to live your life, I really don’t because it doesn’t affect me but when it DOES start affecting me then I’m allowed to have a voice and not be dogpiled because of it.

Just because you, personally, cannot correctly identify the sex of a male person in real life doesn’t mean female people don’t have a high likelihood of correctly identifying the sex of a male person.

For all those people declaring that this group of male people should have access to female single sex spaces, what other vulnerable groups of male people should be allowed into female single sex spaces to protect them?

Why is this group considered for such special treatment?

Why does it have to be ‘assault’? I have been abused and intimidated by a male person with a transgender identity. Why should I have to potentially share a space that should be single sex with that male person ?

I would imagine openly camp gay people get assaulted in male toilets, too. So should they use female toilets to be safe?

Sorry, just clarfying that the person in question in my post above was called Cobalt, the story is the first one within the post I quoted,
'Cobalt was assaulted by a man' item in the Metro paper.

Like I previously said, just use disabled.

That's fairly irrelevant to whether they should have access to women's toilets.

As they are men, the answer is no. Same with all men.

To be fair, I don't think gay men have any interest in women.... I'm not saying they should be allowed into women's toilets, but gay men aren't predatory womanisers.

And why distinguish between trans identifying men and gay men then? If both sets are vulnerable? Should all be allowed in the women's toilets? And what about other vulnerable men? Disabled men? Older men? Do they all get let in?

So men, treating other men badly, in men's spaces.

Naturally this needs to be addressed, but why on earth would it be women's problem to solve?

Right, so no evidence that transwomen actually are more at risk in men’s toilets but that male on male violence exists?

So what? Should we welcome effeminate gay men into the women’s toilets too then? Or, do you think maybe male on male violence is an issue that needs to be tackled by men without using women as human shields?

Story from the London paper Metro. This person was assaulted because his attackers thought he was gay, a gay male -- they called him a homophopic slur. Clearly he did not pass.
This again shows that it's the behaviour of men that needs to be changed so that male toilets are absolutely safe for all men, gay and trans included.
If this individual had gone into the women's bathroom he would have been noticed as a male intruder. But no-one involved in this highly one-sided story seems to have given any thought as to how women might have felt seeing a male in their space.
Looking at the photo I definitely see a young man.
Metro invites us to leave a comment below the piece. But somehow the comments section does not appear.