To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

Men aren't vulnerable love

It’s common sense for people who are vulnerable and need to protect themselves.

Is this opinion based on a) a belief that trans people's rights taken precedence over everyone else's; b) complete ignorance of what has just happened in the Supreme Court; or (most likely) c) both of the above?

I've seen lots of trans women challenged on the street by other men, who almost always get just as bolshy back. I've never seen one turn away, tearful, try to placate the man or just try to get away, like I'm pretty sure a woman would.

Of course that's just anecdata, bit considering there's plenty of videos of TW in women's loos with their bits out, and plenty that they don't like people seeing, of them spitting obscenities at women (or men) who dare disagree it's strange none of the evidence that would back them up seems to be available.

I admit I also find it confusing that 0.55% of the population (let's pretend it's that much) that are male basically feel they should be allowed to make a personal risk assessment and use female facilities, as opposed to 51% of the population who have a long a unfortunately well-proven risk assessment of Life that males should be in their own spaces. But that 51% can be dismissed in favour of being nice.

What the ACTUAL

I know - trans women have totally got themselves hyped up about their correct sex bathrooms - they should defo not do so, it is just so sad. Hopefully their fellow men can go out of their way to make these trans identified men feel safe in male bathrooms.

Can you explain why this tiny minority is so important that they must be allowed to compromise the rights, safety and dignity of half the population?

There are about 200 times as many women as there are trans women.

Saying that one male person is more important than 200 female people is quite the hot take. I'm not sure even the Taliban say that out loud.

It certainly feels like this. Selfish and ignorant of anyone but themselves. Men in dresses more vulnerable than women and children. Bollocks they are.

HangryLikeTheHulk · Today 19:55

It’s about letting a vulnerable tiny minority most people will never even encounter making choices that reduce the significant risks they face.

That's rubbish, there are 7 I recognise in my moderate sized town. Two are quite aggressive and confrontational in public, God knows what they're like in enclosed spaces.

This.

If men face significant risks from other men, in men's spaces, why do you expect women to solve that problem?

You think women should be pressed into service as shields for these men?

You can get lost with that idea 🙄

But gay men are a vulnerable minority also. Are you suggesting they should use women’s spaces? If not, why not?

They're not a vulnerable tiny minority, they're not at anything like the risk that women are, and they've managed to get public bodies and private businesses to break the law for over 10 years.

https://thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

It’s about letting a vulnerable tiny minority most people will never even encounter making choices that reduce the significant risks they face.

Because they are for disabled people?

Well exactly, so now go tell transwomen to stop being so bigoted about the 'risk' of having to uses the mens toilets.

And women's consent?

Totally irrelevant it seems 🙄

All about the men again!

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Are you high?

No, sorry, I didn’t understand it either. Could you rephrase please?

They put their money on the wrong horse - they should have spent the last 10 years campaigning for a third space but instead they found the third space idea to be insulting because it would mean they'd have to admit they weren't women.

Yes. Many extreme transgender activists, those that prioritise gender over sex, do use that catastrophising tactic that is also all or nothing. It is a fallacious tactic and very dishonest.

I use the term extreme as to separate them from transgender activists that are rightfully advocating for their rights considering other groups needs when there is a conflict.

The easiest way to explain it though is to point out that just as we don’t believe all men are abusive or rapists, but we still exclude them from all female single sex spaces. So too we should continue to exclude all male people because they still are male ( and we need dignity and privacy from all male people too).

All those extreme activists have is emotionally manipulative tactics. There is no evidence to support them with their points.

I do agree with you completely, I just see it framed a lot that those who disagree with TW in female spaces are doing so because we believe TW are all predators or perverts, when I think the vast majority of us just don’t want men in our spaces for very legitimate reasons, whether they self identify as women or not makes no difference as they are still men.

Yes that is true, I just think that it’s common for TRAs to argue that we assume all trans women are predators and that’s why we don’t want to share spaces with them, which then makes it easy to label us all as transphobic bigots and dismiss our concerns.

The problem is that TW are men, and men cannot be trusted.

No, it's about what's safer for 51% of the population. Women.