To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

Thank you Namey.

And also people like Miranda Yardley who is also someone who has set an example of a male person with a transgender identity who uses male toilets.

And there are always posters on AIBU threads telling us that their lovely male transgender friends as male people use the male toilets.

I think sadmillennial should reassure their friend that male people with transgender identities are using male toilets without incident despite the constant declaration from others that they can’t because of their own fears.

Yes Kathleen Riot, I think I posted a link upthread.

See also Fionne Orlander, who is I would say is a quite slight and very pretty transwoman, who has written several times about never having any issues in men's spaces. Fionne says the most that happens is a man will clock Fionne and double check the sign on the door, and Fionne will say 'yeah it's the men's I'm a bloke ' and everyone will go on with their day. Or I think once Fionne was told 'well you're a very pretty bloke!'

All these apparently terrified transwomen should try listening to the transwomen who've been respecting women's spaces for years and had no issues, instead of listening to the TRAs would want them to feel scared in order to bolster those TRAs preferred behaviour, which is scaring and intimidating women.

Your friend is as vulnerable in a male toilet as any 70 year old man, your friend's transition has not diminished their male strength. So they are no more vulnerable than any man the same age and are as much as a target as for example a camp gay man.

You’re cherry picking your stats here. Even the MOJ say they don’t have accurate figures of how many males claiming to be female are incarcerated in the female prison estate - because they’re not allowed to ask!
Why do you think the now infamous rapist Bryson suddenly claimed to be female AFTER he was arrested for rape? Could it be that he knew he’d get easy access to female prisoners, and escape the harm sex offenders face in the male prison estate?

Why are you so keen to let males use places designated as single sex female places? Seems odd to me.

There’s no such thing as ‘cis’. There’s female and male.

In terms of sex offenders in prison trans indentifying males are hugely over represented. In the past 10 years more trans people have been convicted of murder than have been victims of murder (all murderers and victims have been trans identifying males).

It’s common sense for people who are vulnerable and need to protect themselves.

And what about little girls? They are vulnerable and were being put at risk by males in female spaces. They are unable to protect themselves so it's common sense that they need to be protected over adult males.

Here is the “vulnerable tiny minority” making threats that women should be afraid of them.

https://x.com/gerrykeogh_/status/1926622168000983489?s=46

Here is another male person standing with a police officer in a photo frame with a sign that also says women should be afraid. And that police officer is supporting that sentiment.

https://x.com/gerrykeogh_/status/1926652333565358394?s=46

But apparently, female people need to allow these threatening male people access to the spaces we need to be female only.

Have you asked them "why" and "who" they are afraid of?
Have you asked them "who" they blame for the current situation?
Because as they have been transitioned for so long I would hope that they recognise that its the current breed of trans and TRA that have caused these issues for them.

There is a male person of around that age with a transgender identity taking photos in of himself in male toilets and posting them on twitter. He is up to 1000 now. He has been doing this to show other male people with transgender identities that if he can be safe in there, then it is very likely that any other male person with a transgender identity will be safe in male single sex spaces.

Maybe you should assure your male friend that they will be safe in the male toilets.

No. Allowing a male person to access a female single sex space because you, personally, deem them the priority above the female people who need the space to be female only is a misogynist decision.

If a ”vulnerable tiny minority” need separate spaces for themselves, that is what they need to be working on, and should have been working on for over 25 years. Not using female people as support humans and accessing spaces they should not be in.

And I don’t know what part of the world you live in, but I regularly encounter male people with transgender identities just walking around town in my area. They are not this rare, unencountered group of people that you want people to believe they are in my suburban area.

If your repeated assertions that they are a “vulnerable tiny minority” is based on your own personal living situation, which it seems to be, perhaps you should stop making such generalisations.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom and that is not helped by all the people pandering to him and telling him he’s “totally a woman”. If he really was a woman he wouldn’t need to be told. No one comes up to me and tells me “you’re so a woman”. Maybe I’m doing womanning wrong. Maybe I need to wear more spinny skirts, knee socks and chokers….

Some people construct an entirely false narrative about themselves, about how they are perceived, and about other people's behaviour towards them, and they tell themselves this story so many times that they actually believe it, even if there is no truth in it.

I had this epiphany last night in relation to a personal matter. Nothing to do with trans, but someone in the family who has caused an enormous amount of harm to the whole family with her childish and selfish behaviour is genuinely convinced that we have insulted her and should apologise. Some people really do believe that up is down and black is white.

Ooh it’ll be an adventure for him! I mean surely it would be better to go somewhere with people like him (males), rather than going into women’s spaces and being reminded every time that he will never be a woman. It will probably be better for his mental health

@HangryLikeTheHulk It’s common sense for people who are vulnerable and need to protect themselves.

Is it though? There are many occasions where some men may be afraid of others. I’m not seeing yet why that means they use the women’s space. Can you explain that step a bit further please?

Lots of people are afraid of what they don't know. After 30 years of using women's spaces this person doesn't know what it is like to use men's spaces. That doesn't mean men's spaces will be unsafe.

Why is he afraid? He’s a 6ft bloke. Maybe be more concerned about all the women he’s intimidated and made uncomfortable?

I think you are onto something here. The system we need:

i) doesn’t lead to suspicion that people are in the opposite sex loo,
ii) each individual can decide for themselves if they feel fine with having males in the women’s loo
iii) to make ii workable, that must mean no males in public women’s loos or we undermine the consent principle in ii. (Ie you may feel fine for males to be in with your granddaughters, but the workable principle can’t be what each individual’s grandmother agrees to)
iv) no genital inspections.

This, luckily for you, has just been clarified as the law of the land.

Well that's a new one.

Why is their age relevant?

That's exactly why women want to protect themselves by keeping all men out of our single sex spaces, love.

But wouldn’t common sense be to keep males out of women’s spaces as women are vulnerable and need to protect themselves

So you're more concerned about a six foot tall man in the presence of other men than a woman? Give me strength.

Tell “her” to carry pepper spray and stay out of the women’s loo

i feel like everyone on this thread assumes that all trans women are aged 20-40? My friend and colleague has lived as a trans woman for 30+ years and is now in her early 70s. She transitioned in middle age and is over 6ft so she doesnt "pass" and that has obvs been an issue throughout her life
For anyone here to expect her to be more comfortable than me, a 40 year old cis woman, in challenging aggressive men is ridiculous. The bold claims that all trans women are "bolshy" is just ridiculous. She is afraid, and im afraid for her.