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Lesleyann25 · 24/05/2025 10:23

I am having an ongoing problem with my downstairs neighbour. My daughter and I moved into a large apartment in December it’s a really good area and we like it here.

It started as soon as we moved in, there is a lady in her 60s with her adult son about 20. It appears the son stays up all night and sleeps all day and games under my room until around 4am shouting at the screen. I spoke to lady she was very nice said she would tell him to keep it and down and went on a long spiel about him having mental health problems and waiting for a diagnosis for autism so I have tried to cut them a bit of slack but it really isn’t on I have to listen to podcasts to sleep. What has really annoyed me is that my daughters bedroom door is a bit stiff so it makes a bit of noise when she closes it in the mornings but I am talking about 8am, we are out all day and go to bed by 10 as I have work too.

Now the son has started slamming doors at 4am I am assuming in revenge so I have reported them to the council. Autism and mental health is not a reason to keep other people up all night surely? I think it’s completely out of order. She said he has insomnia too. Anyone else dealt with this?

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AngelicKaty · 26/05/2025 18:01

Irishmammy2 · 26/05/2025 17:55

My son has autism and yes he shouts when he games but even though he’s 11 he knows when he’s getting to loud. He’s learned that if I go in and tell him to quiet down then next time il not tell him that it just gets turned off. My partner in his 30s has now learned the same thing and it’s simply because I have respect for my neighbours.

EXACTLY this. 👆 OP's neighbour could turn off their router box at 11pm so her son can't game during the night.

MNpenisadvisor · 26/05/2025 17:59

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:52

Someone did that to someone I know and they got charged with possession. Would you like your 11 year having weed smell filling thier home. Isn’t pleasant

Hey I'm on your side I'm in a council flat and it stanks of other people's weed

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:56

Irishmammy2 · 26/05/2025 17:55

My son has autism and yes he shouts when he games but even though he’s 11 he knows when he’s getting to loud. He’s learned that if I go in and tell him to quiet down then next time il not tell him that it just gets turned off. My partner in his 30s has now learned the same thing and it’s simply because I have respect for my neighbours.

This is my point exactly and your son is 11 not 20.

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Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:56

My last neighbour was banging on my wall for my then 10 year old laughing and joking with her friend on the phone at 5pm. That’s unreasonable not this.

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Irishmammy2 · 26/05/2025 17:55

My son has autism and yes he shouts when he games but even though he’s 11 he knows when he’s getting to loud. He’s learned that if I go in and tell him to quiet down then next time il not tell him that it just gets turned off. My partner in his 30s has now learned the same thing and it’s simply because I have respect for my neighbours.

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:55

AngelicKaty · 26/05/2025 17:49

On what basis do you comment "The council isn't going to do shit"? How do you know?
The council's EH dept can measure the noise in OP's bedroom and if it exceeds 34dBA between 11pm and 7am, it would be a statutory noise nuisance and the council can then issue the neighbour with a noise abatement notice, which the 20yr-old's mother would be foolish to ignore if she doesn't want to risk losing her home (although why the mother doesn't just switch off her router box at night is anybody's guess!). Yes, it takes a long time, but the council certainly won't do anything if OP doesn't complain (and complaining doesn't stop OP taking other measures to minimise the effect the noise has on her in the meantime).

The mother promised me she had found some cheap sound proof cladding that she was going to fit. No way has that happened. I feel for her but she’s not helping things.

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AngelicKaty · 26/05/2025 17:54

PoppyRoseBucky · 26/05/2025 17:17

And what will you do if you find out that he can't control his night time antics?

What then?

OP's posted twice that she "did speak to the mother and it did stop for weeks" so it hardly sounds like he can't control his night-time antics.

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:52

MNpenisadvisor · 26/05/2025 17:38

Please call the police to report someone smoking weed in their own home. They could probably do with a laugh 😂

Someone did that to someone I know and they got charged with possession. Would you like your 11 year having weed smell filling thier home. Isn’t pleasant

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AngelicKaty · 26/05/2025 17:49

PoppyRoseBucky · 26/05/2025 17:11

Not unreasonable and I don't think anyone here is saying that it is unreasonable. None of us would enjoy living under those circumstances. At all.

However, OP needs to be realistic about her expectations. The council isn't going to do shit.

The authorities can't make them be quiet like the OP seems to think that they can. Short of evicting them, what do either you or the OP expect the authorities to do to enforce anything?

We all know it's a nightmare situation, but OP seems to think this is a battle she is going to win when she won't. People are being realistic when they tell her that.

So, she either puts in measures to soundproof her home as much as possible or she makes the decision to move herself.

You'll drive yourself crazy if you think you can complain your way into controlling someone else's behaviour.

On what basis do you comment "The council isn't going to do shit"? How do you know?
The council's EH dept can measure the noise in OP's bedroom and if it exceeds 34dBA between 11pm and 7am, it would be a statutory noise nuisance and the council can then issue the neighbour with a noise abatement notice, which the 20yr-old's mother would be foolish to ignore if she doesn't want to risk losing her home (although why the mother doesn't just switch off her router box at night is anybody's guess!). Yes, it takes a long time, but the council certainly won't do anything if OP doesn't complain (and complaining doesn't stop OP taking other measures to minimise the effect the noise has on her in the meantime).

dairydebris · 26/05/2025 17:45

Ankther · 26/05/2025 16:27

And yet it was the previous inhabitants of your flat who ended up leaving, not her and her son… Clearly they’d had enough and realised there was nothing they or the council could do.

This is a very good point

MNpenisadvisor · 26/05/2025 17:38

Please call the police to report someone smoking weed in their own home. They could probably do with a laugh 😂

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:28

WinSomeandLoseSome · 26/05/2025 17:25

Maybe work from home for a week and make as much noise as you can throughout the day while he is sleeping. Some nice loud music. See how he likes it.

Tried that. Not even loud music just enough to make him see how it feels to be woken up. He blasted music right back for 3 days solid.

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VickiFromAmsterdam · 26/05/2025 17:26

Without wishing to sound like a serial moaner I had quite a few issues when I lived in my lovely, but very noisy flat.

I lived quite happily next to a pub for many years. Then someone new took over with a different crowd, & my life was never the same. I spent years filling in a diary 🙄 & won each long battle, but when someone new moved in it would start up again. If it wasn’t fighting in the street, it would be loud music, or their dog barking 24/7. Before anyone says anything, if you can hear the words to a song it’s too loud! Music I can handle, bass I cannot.

Then there was the man below who did DIY throughout the night. Who, hammers at 4am? I got so sick of it that I used to wait until he’d gone quiet & dive off my bed to wake the noisy bastard. V childish I know, but he drove me to this. I did move for various reasons as well as my own sanity. I also feared I would get violent towards him, & it wouldn’t end well for either of us. His new neighbour’s now moaning about him.

I got the impression throughout all of this that the council weren’t that interested. It was one diary after another. Then when I phoned to speak to environmental health the person dealing with it had left, so I’d begin my diary again.

Stick at it OP! If they do get evicted, councils no longer have to rehouse.

AngelicKaty · 26/05/2025 17:25

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 16:59

Seriously if they put a recording Device in my room they would immediately see that I am not making a song and dance over nothing. I just assumed if someone had autism to the point of having no control over behaviour it would be picked up before the age of 20. I am no expert though.

Yes, all councils' environmental health departments have Class 1 sound-level meters for measuring noise, and your council could place one of these in your bedroom for, say, a week to measure the noise caused by your neighbour's son.
According to the UK government's website, the Noise Act 1996 defines night hours as between 11 pm and 7 am, and noise levels exceeding 34 dBA during these hours can be considered a nuisance, especially if the background noise is less than 24 dBA. (If the background noise exceeds 24 dBA, 10 dBA above the background level is considered the limit.)
I guess someone could get an autism diagnosis later in life if they've not pursued one sooner, but the fact that he quietened down for a few weeks after one of your conversations with his mother suggests that, even if he does have autism, it isn't so severe that he can't exercise self-control over the amount of noise he makes. And as PPs have commented, his poor mental health is no excuse for routinely disturbing your sleep so that your mental health is affected.

WinSomeandLoseSome · 26/05/2025 17:25

Maybe work from home for a week and make as much noise as you can throughout the day while he is sleeping. Some nice loud music. See how he likes it.

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:21

YinYangalang · 26/05/2025 17:21

Concentrate on what you can do in the immediate future. Try to learn techniques on how to sleep through noise. It really worked for me as I had no choice as day noise when you work nights is not something you can police.

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Yes I will. It’s the only thing I can do at the
moment.

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LakieLady · 26/05/2025 17:21

Northernladdette · 26/05/2025 17:03

It is the point if they rent. It’s easier to evict a nuisance neighbour if they’re not owner occupiers if things continue, as they’re in breach of their tenancy agreement.

The HA I worked for was unable to get a possession order for a tenant who caused no end of neighbour nuisance that went way beyond noise nuisance. They got a lawyer from a housing advice charity who stressed their vulnerability due to long term MH issues of such severity that they constituted a disability, and the judge declined to issue the order because the HA had not put reasonable adjustments in place.

They moved voluntarily a couple of years later though, when their child was placed permanently with one of their parents, and they were stung by the "bedroom tax".

YinYangalang · 26/05/2025 17:21

Concentrate on what you can do in the immediate future. Try to learn techniques on how to sleep through noise. It really worked for me as I had no choice as day noise when you work nights is not something you can police.

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:20

PoppyRoseBucky · 26/05/2025 17:17

And what will you do if you find out that he can't control his night time antics?

What then?

Then I will move but not without trying first.

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Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:18

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:15

I don’t think I can complain into controlling someone else’s behaviour but if it is as suspect and the boy can control his night time antics the council might just give him a kick up the arse. I have friend come to stay on occasion and they said just no do not be listening to these excuses it can be helped that’s their lifestyle and while you cannot dictate how people live they’re is an 11-7am law for this very reason.

I am not speaking about it with certainty I am admitting I am not expert. I have friend diagnosed in her 40s but she doesn’t go around keeping everyone up all night and never did. If I slept all day I’d be awake all night goes without saying. there is not a peep until around 6pm im the evenings from them.

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PoppyRoseBucky · 26/05/2025 17:17

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:15

I don’t think I can complain into controlling someone else’s behaviour but if it is as suspect and the boy can control his night time antics the council might just give him a kick up the arse. I have friend come to stay on occasion and they said just no do not be listening to these excuses it can be helped that’s their lifestyle and while you cannot dictate how people live they’re is an 11-7am law for this very reason.

And what will you do if you find out that he can't control his night time antics?

What then?

Calmdownpeople · 26/05/2025 17:15

AngelicKaty · 26/05/2025 16:43

OP isn't asking for them to be moved. She's asking for them to be quiet at night, which isn't at all unreasonable.

I totally agree unfortunately it doesn’t sound like that is going to happens. She has spoken to the mun (good, right thing to do) and it hasn’t helped. Unfortunately I can’t see this being resolved without someone moving.

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 17:15

PoppyRoseBucky · 26/05/2025 17:11

Not unreasonable and I don't think anyone here is saying that it is unreasonable. None of us would enjoy living under those circumstances. At all.

However, OP needs to be realistic about her expectations. The council isn't going to do shit.

The authorities can't make them be quiet like the OP seems to think that they can. Short of evicting them, what do either you or the OP expect the authorities to do to enforce anything?

We all know it's a nightmare situation, but OP seems to think this is a battle she is going to win when she won't. People are being realistic when they tell her that.

So, she either puts in measures to soundproof her home as much as possible or she makes the decision to move herself.

You'll drive yourself crazy if you think you can complain your way into controlling someone else's behaviour.

I don’t think I can complain into controlling someone else’s behaviour but if it is as suspect and the boy can control his night time antics the council might just give him a kick up the arse. I have friend come to stay on occasion and they said just no do not be listening to these excuses it can be helped that’s their lifestyle and while you cannot dictate how people live they’re is an 11-7am law for this very reason.

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PoppyRoseBucky · 26/05/2025 17:15

Lesleyann25 · 26/05/2025 16:59

Seriously if they put a recording Device in my room they would immediately see that I am not making a song and dance over nothing. I just assumed if someone had autism to the point of having no control over behaviour it would be picked up before the age of 20. I am no expert though.

I think you have proven that you are no expert in the realm of autism or mental health.

Many people with autism aren't diagnosed until later in life (if at all). Believe it or not, it's not always immediately obvious as a child especially if the adults around the child aren't well-versed in the signs to watch out for.

So, it's not only possible for a person to be 20 years old and going through the process of getting a diagnosis for autism but credible, too.

If you don't understand something, maybe don't speak on it with such certainty.

Noodles1234 · 26/05/2025 17:14

I’m all with you.
I do feel sorry for 60yr old mum, she must be beyond her wits end and worse. She probably has been left to look after him with not a lot of help from the authorities and probably hasn’t slept a full night for years. Probably is well aware every neighbour moves away and all that entails. Her DS with loud music / tv / banging anything about / unpredictable / embarrassed she probably once wished for a peaceful retirement. Now knowing she will be a carer for all her days.
All that being said, and I do really feel for people as I know of people in the same predicament, but to put a family in a flat to then upset other families isn’t fair on anyone. Yes advise the local council and maybe they can help everyone all round.

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