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AIBU to think this is bullying?

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cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 09:40

I was on long term sick for 6 months. My boss didn’t contact me once to ask if I was ok. All communication was through HR.
i am back at work now and have been for 6 weeks. My boss has still not spoken to me, popped down to see if I’m ok, says welcome back. She doesn’t email me, she doesn’t reply to emails, I’ve literally not seen her in 6 weeks. For context there are only 6 people in my department that age manages.
I feel like it’s deliberate. She chats to everyone else, has meetings and catch ups, but I’m invisible.
when someone else went on long term sick a few years ago she did the same to him.
I feel like it’s emotional bullying. AIBU?

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cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 18:14

Ok I’m out. Thanks for the useful comments, and thanks to the keyboard warriors for your shitty attempts at trying to be nasty. Bye!

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Pomegranatecarnage · 24/05/2025 18:13

I guessed you were a teacher as soon as I read your post! Teachers can get really arsey when their colleagues are off sick. It always has a negative impact on others in terms of setting work, marking, and even taking on additional classes. Your HOD is being unreasonable if your period of sickness was unavoidable. Unfortunately there are a fair few teachers who take the piss and stay off till their pay goes down to half pay then miraculously return at the six month mark.

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 18:13

Mookie81 · 24/05/2025 18:08

Based on this post, I'd be worried about saying anything to the OP and would be staying well clear aswell. It sounds as though OP is spoiling for an issue and some form of complaint.

Ok thanks for your ‘interesting’ perspective

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howshouldibehave · 24/05/2025 18:12

My boss didn’t contact me once to ask if I was ok. All communication was through HR.

I've seen loads of posts on the Exit the classroom, leave teaching and thrive Facebook group where people are off sick and refusing to speak to anyone at the school and loads of replies telling them that's fine and to go through HR if anyone wants contact!

It's odd you have not bothered to go and speak to your boss either since you've been back at work but have concluded they are probably bullying you??

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 18:12

Hufflemuff · 24/05/2025 18:02

You've had no negative interactions, yet you think she is bullying you? Sorry but you sound like a complainer. Maybe she sees this in you too, so she's avoiding you a bit because she's worried you'd run to a manager to complain about her for piling on work or making you take on too much too soon.

Sorry for the jump, but you haven't given many details, so i may be adding 2 and 2 and getting 7.

Thanks for that but I haven’t complained to anyone about anything!

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Mookie81 · 24/05/2025 18:08

Based on this post, I'd be worried about saying anything to the OP and would be staying well clear aswell. It sounds as though OP is spoiling for an issue and some form of complaint.

Hufflemuff · 24/05/2025 18:02

You've had no negative interactions, yet you think she is bullying you? Sorry but you sound like a complainer. Maybe she sees this in you too, so she's avoiding you a bit because she's worried you'd run to a manager to complain about her for piling on work or making you take on too much too soon.

Sorry for the jump, but you haven't given many details, so i may be adding 2 and 2 and getting 7.

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 17:54

PhilippaGeorgiou · 24/05/2025 15:57

I don't know your workplace culture, but your HR sound rather OTT in my experience. It's possible that she has the slightest of ideas about what has been going on with your absence, that she may be wondering if she's done something wrong and doesn't have anyone to ask.... with what sounds like a very controlling HR body, it actually sounds rather hard to "manage". Wherever I have worked, the things you describe them doing are a managers job, and any HR involvment would be advisory if required. HR involvement at that degree would have indicated a grievance against the manager or something else quite serious.

Just saying - she may be scared of you!

This would make so much sense! I don’t think she does know much at all about why I was off. This would explain a lot. Thank you for this perspective, you’ve made me think differently about it.

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PhilippaGeorgiou · 24/05/2025 15:57

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 14:45

Omg this is so true. Maybe she thinks I should have gone to see her when I came back? I didn’t even think of it like that. I just thought since I’d been really poorly she might check in to see if I was ok.

I don't know your workplace culture, but your HR sound rather OTT in my experience. It's possible that she has the slightest of ideas about what has been going on with your absence, that she may be wondering if she's done something wrong and doesn't have anyone to ask.... with what sounds like a very controlling HR body, it actually sounds rather hard to "manage". Wherever I have worked, the things you describe them doing are a managers job, and any HR involvment would be advisory if required. HR involvement at that degree would have indicated a grievance against the manager or something else quite serious.

Just saying - she may be scared of you!

User79853257976 · 24/05/2025 15:49

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 12:18

I did say she manages 6 people, so HOD

Could have been a primary school.

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 14:45

PhilippaGeorgiou · 24/05/2025 13:12

So all the practical matters realting to absence are done by HR and not managers, and you have no need of her in terms of doing your job. So what is it that you want from her? It might be nice if she was chatty etc., but it isn't required, and it certainly isn't bullying. Since there is such a strong HR involvement (which isn't the case in many places) perhaps they tell managers to stay out of such things?

It could just as easily be put that you came back to work and didn't "pop in" to say you are back, how's things, anything you needed to be aware of etc. It takes two to ignore each other. If you haven't seen or spoken to her you don't know what is happening in her world either. Parhaps she's on another thread saying her employee hasn't been to see her, HR never keep her in the loop, and she doesn't know what to do or whether she's done something wrong?

Omg this is so true. Maybe she thinks I should have gone to see her when I came back? I didn’t even think of it like that. I just thought since I’d been really poorly she might check in to see if I was ok.

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cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 14:43

werewolftherewolf · 24/05/2025 13:10

I am sorry that you are experiencing this. I don’t think people realise what a toxic environment schools are. Schools have a duty of care towards you and at the moment, through your HOD’s lack of communication, they are failing you.

In your shoes, OP, I would probably ask for a meeting (by email) to discuss x, y, z and see how she responds or if she responds at all. I think it’s important in situations like this to have paper trail, unfortunately.

What happens in team meetings when you ask her a question? Does she ignore you?

What happens when you email her and cc the rest of the dept about anything to do with the whole department ? Does she respond?

Thanks for your thoughtful response. Since I’m part time I miss any staff meetings. I don’t get made aware of what was said or any minutes. I find the whole thing really unsettling and you’re right, schools are so toxic. It’s such a shame, the kids are great!

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PhilippaGeorgiou · 24/05/2025 13:12

So all the practical matters realting to absence are done by HR and not managers, and you have no need of her in terms of doing your job. So what is it that you want from her? It might be nice if she was chatty etc., but it isn't required, and it certainly isn't bullying. Since there is such a strong HR involvement (which isn't the case in many places) perhaps they tell managers to stay out of such things?

It could just as easily be put that you came back to work and didn't "pop in" to say you are back, how's things, anything you needed to be aware of etc. It takes two to ignore each other. If you haven't seen or spoken to her you don't know what is happening in her world either. Parhaps she's on another thread saying her employee hasn't been to see her, HR never keep her in the loop, and she doesn't know what to do or whether she's done something wrong?

werewolftherewolf · 24/05/2025 13:10

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 11:27

I’m a teacher. I know what I need to teach and which classes I have so don’t need to be given work to do as such. It is normal though to have updates from manager about deadlines, specific children, training, events, changes in the dept etc.

I am sorry that you are experiencing this. I don’t think people realise what a toxic environment schools are. Schools have a duty of care towards you and at the moment, through your HOD’s lack of communication, they are failing you.

In your shoes, OP, I would probably ask for a meeting (by email) to discuss x, y, z and see how she responds or if she responds at all. I think it’s important in situations like this to have paper trail, unfortunately.

What happens in team meetings when you ask her a question? Does she ignore you?

What happens when you email her and cc the rest of the dept about anything to do with the whole department ? Does she respond?

ilovesooty · 24/05/2025 13:02

Ooral · 24/05/2025 11:36

Grow a pair and knock on her door and say hello. Bullying is a snowflake argument lot of nonsense.

If you'd ever been bullied at work you wouldn't embarrass yourself by making such crass comments.

Renabrook · 24/05/2025 13:01

I don't see how this is bullying

ilovesooty · 24/05/2025 13:00

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 10:04

This was all with HR

That does seem strange. I'd really wonder what the point of your manager is.

Catlord · 24/05/2025 12:37

I'm not sure it's bullying. Do you have any grounds for that, as is has she ignored substantive requests (rather than copying her in), affected your work or just not actively been in touch?

I get that you'd expect a back to work meeting. Also normal human acknowledgement is pretty standard but I don't know that it's bullying in itself.

Could be policy not to contact during sick leave and to manage that via HR.

Maybe try and schedule a meeting yourself then if not an informal call with HR to see what they advise? Not sure which is the better round to advise that but I'd try being proactive

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 12:18

User79853257976 · 24/05/2025 12:07

By boss do you mean head of department or head teacher? Those are two different relationships.

I did say she manages 6 people, so HOD

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cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 12:18

Ooral · 24/05/2025 11:36

Grow a pair and knock on her door and say hello. Bullying is a snowflake argument lot of nonsense.

Thanks for your input

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User79853257976 · 24/05/2025 12:07

By boss do you mean head of department or head teacher? Those are two different relationships.

Ooral · 24/05/2025 11:36

Grow a pair and knock on her door and say hello. Bullying is a snowflake argument lot of nonsense.

Penthrowingsurvivor · 24/05/2025 11:34

LikeARacoonOnMeth · 24/05/2025 09:49

Or maybe she’s trying to avoid a complaint of harassing people when they’ve just come back after being on LTS? Depends why you were off really. If it’s due to work place stress and it involved her then it wouldn’t be a surprise she’s keeping her distance, if operation/injury recovery less understandable.

if she's on this forum, she probably thing that is very wise 😂

Most of it is pretty reasonable, but completely ignoring emails is not right.

PraisebetoGod · 24/05/2025 11:29

Sounds like poor management rather than bullying to me.

cantthinkofausername26 · 24/05/2025 11:27

KrisAkabusi · 24/05/2025 10:12

How are you doing your job if you're not being managed? Who gives you work, checks on progress, outputs, quality etc?

I’m a teacher. I know what I need to teach and which classes I have so don’t need to be given work to do as such. It is normal though to have updates from manager about deadlines, specific children, training, events, changes in the dept etc.

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