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Full Bush or Shaven Haven?

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Lardychops · 24/05/2025 00:07

Been on a work training /away day today.
Largely female dominated professional (children’s social care)
As usual in the down time amidst all the doom n gloom of the days agenda me and colleagues get into the really important, off the record team bonding stuff - OLD, step kids, menopause, weightloss jabs, difficult teens , GcSEs, holidays, moaning about the management etc etc .
Two colleagues got into the subject of pubic hair removal (as you do in market town village hall on a Friday afternoon) as one felt strongly that the act of removing pubic hair is deeply anti- feminist. Fair point I guess.

She got lots of push back from the shaven havens, landing strippers, and trim triangle havers. Only one other person said they are au natural but caveated that with not currently in a relationship nor looking.
She went onto suggest that while for young males this is probably a natural expectation in a partner due to socialisation via pornograpgy, any man of ‘our age’ ( 40s/50s) who wouldn’t be averse to a hairless minge is virtually paedophile adjacent!!
I thought that was a bit strong to be honest.
Did get me thinking though.
I’m completely in the shaven haven camp, personally - Much prefer it. I believe I’m still a feminist though.
I go swimming most mornings and in the open changing room it occurred to me that not seen a full bush in years.

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Nothankyov · 24/05/2025 13:02

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 08:29

The removal of body hair has historically been a hugely contentious issue in feminism.
from this thread and comments like yours, I can see that view has shifted a lot/is a bit of a non issue now. Which is great. X

I understand that - I’m in my 40s! But that’s ridiculous! And a feminist we should not be be “imposing” what we think is right. I shave and always have. Don’t do it for my husband do it for myself - as I don’t like it as it makes me feel unclean - specially on my period. Intention matters in feminism there shouldn’t be a blanket “doing this or that is anti-feminism” in my view. Again, in my opinion feminism is about educating all and make them aware but ultimately it’s about women’s choice.

MamaLenny · 24/05/2025 12:49

I've been in a relationship for 12 years so at this point I'm not militant about shaving. If it's not shaven DH doesn't care.
The only time I absolutely make sure it's shaved now is if I'm going to be wearing a swimming costume.

I feel it's a bit harsh to say it's peadophile adjacent.. if someone is a grown adult woman then the sexual partner is not a peadophile, bush or no bush. Also, children can have pubic hair from a relatively young age anyway.

TimetoPour · 24/05/2025 12:48

What is it with people who have to make everything a problem?

I prefer a waxed Brazilian - not because of porn or a man’s preference but because I like the clean fresh feeling.

Your colleague is just trying to justify the fact she likes a hairy beaver! Each to their own, I say.

FoxLoxInSox · 24/05/2025 12:35

crumpet · 24/05/2025 12:18

Genitals are not aesthetically pleasing, let’s face it. Camouflage definitely helps.

This is entirely subjective. Some of us love the look of labias / cocks etc… The idea that only men are visual sexual beings who enjoy looking at genitals is quite naive and un-feminist, IMO.

SwingTheMonkey · 24/05/2025 12:33

All off here. It’s for me, my husband doesn’t care what I do with it. It feels cleaner and oral/sex is better. But a big fuck no to shaving, the regrowth would be horrendous. I get waxed every few weeks.

blubberyboo · 24/05/2025 12:32

YABU to think everyone has the same body image and sexual preferences. Many many men prefer a full bush on a woman and some of them describe a shaven one as being too young which they are sexually averse to. Nothing wrong with that it's simply their way of describing their preferences or non preferences. Nobody else needs to get offended by it.

Just because you don't see these full bushes at the pool doesn't mean they don't exist. In fact many women change their grooming habits throughout their lives and even seasons.

Newsflash!

Some shave armpits, some don't
Some apply fake nails, some bite theirs
Some thread their eyebrows, some wipe them with a facecloth.
Some have long head of hair, some cut into a style, some are bald
Some wear make up, some don't.
Some women shave panty area, some don't

Our bodies are all different both the parts you can see and the parts you can't

ilovesooty · 24/05/2025 12:29

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 08:45

Ha!
Its the downtime, the humour, the filthy/banal chats and the dark/gallows humour that build the camaraderie and gets you though the week luv!

Without that we’d all go around the twist. (And do something else for less hours and more dosh)

I've worked in settings that had plenty of gallows humour and banal conversation, some of which was filthy. Never felt the need to discuss pubic hair in a work setting.

Redpeach · 24/05/2025 12:28

I wonder what age all the removers stop doing it, do old women do it?

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 12:24

Letstheriveranswer · 24/05/2025 12:13

I can't get over the fact that you are all going back to work knowing about each others pubic hair styles! To me, that's way TMI about work colleagues!

Ha! True maybe- it’s probably trauma bonding due the intense stressful profession!
The down time, sometimes inappropriate humour and all that carry on give a bit of levity while firefighting all day, I think.
At the moment most the teams are coming together over weightloss jabs and OLD stories that would make your hair curl!
Just helps the day along a bit and usually all very lighthearted fun.

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ilovesooty · 24/05/2025 12:21

OnyourbarksGSG · 24/05/2025 07:15

I don’t care what he does. Have you honestly never discussed your pubic hair? I did just last week when I went out with friends and I’ve asked for waning recommendations 🤷🏼‍♀️. Unclutch your pearls love

No I don't discuss it when I meet friends for lunch either.

ilovesooty · 24/05/2025 12:19

Swanlame · 24/05/2025 06:59

I can’t believe so many people are answering this obvious man who wants wank fodder :(

I think this is an established poster but I wouldn't dream of telling her or anyone else.
And I wouldn't have wanted to discuss it at a professional training event either.

crumpet · 24/05/2025 12:18

Genitals are not aesthetically pleasing, let’s face it. Camouflage definitely helps.

Letstheriveranswer · 24/05/2025 12:13

I can't get over the fact that you are all going back to work knowing about each others pubic hair styles! To me, that's way TMI about work colleagues!

Jujujudo · 24/05/2025 12:12

StarlightLady · 24/05/2025 12:09

But a young child’s labia looks nothing like that of a woman. Hair or no hair.

I’m not going to argue with you because you’re right, I just personally think that having hair there is more womanly and being bald is more like a girl. It’s preference which is ok! I’m a hair person - would rather have hair than not, both on a woman and a man (I’m married to a man but I’m firmly bi)

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 12:10

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 10:59

Not been in Mumsnet long but I guess that does happen.
49 year old mother of 4 boys and 2 girls.
Promise x

Sorry that was for @Swanlame

still getting the hang of replying in here etc x

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StarlightLady · 24/05/2025 12:09

Jujujudo · 24/05/2025 12:04

Yes you’re right. It is a bit of a bug bear for me - I would never remove my pubes, it feels weird to look like a girl there and not a woman. Young girls have hair on their legs but not pits… I grew my pit hair for 3 months because my teenage son caught me shaving there and said he had no idea that women had armpit hair. So I grew it to show him. As for men, give me a bear over bare any day!

But a young child’s labia looks nothing like that of a woman. Hair or no hair.

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 12:08

Jujujudo · 24/05/2025 12:06

Hard choice. I think Beckham - as long as he doesn’t speak.

That was the general consensus to be fair…
xx

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Jujujudo · 24/05/2025 12:06

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 08:51

Crikey with me and my friends/work colleagues no topic off limits/ high and low brow.
I stayed on a teams meeting the other day (after it had finished obvs!) where we started chatting about the the recently disgraced anti- semite and luxury belief peddler Gary knob head Linekar, but by the end it descended into which footballer you would most like to shag. ( Beckham or Ian Wright for me)

Hard choice. I think Beckham - as long as he doesn’t speak.

Jujujudo · 24/05/2025 12:04

StarlightLady · 24/05/2025 09:11

I wear a 36F bra! If you saw me naked (l’m hair free) you would not think l looked pre-pubescent.

Also, genuine questions. Do you remove underarm hair or leg hair? If so why does that not make you look pre-pubescent?

Do you go to the hairdressers? Does that not take away your natural appearance?

Have you ever been with a man who shaved his face? Surely that makes him look like a boy.

And if l may digress slightly, as for comments by others about men with hairy armpits, they often stink. How can deodorant properly adhere to scrubland?

Yes you’re right. It is a bit of a bug bear for me - I would never remove my pubes, it feels weird to look like a girl there and not a woman. Young girls have hair on their legs but not pits… I grew my pit hair for 3 months because my teenage son caught me shaving there and said he had no idea that women had armpit hair. So I grew it to show him. As for men, give me a bear over bare any day!

MirrorMirror1247 · 24/05/2025 11:56

I use Veet. I'm not brave enough to get it waxed and shaving causes itchy regrowth. I do this every few weeks, if the hair gets too long I find it uncomfortable.

StarlightLady · 24/05/2025 11:48

EBearhug · 24/05/2025 10:34

  1. All porn inspired. Epilation was a feature offered in Ancient Rome and Ancient Greek bathhouses, it’s nothing new.
  2. It may be nothing new, but just because they painted porn scenes on the walls and had phallic amulets and wrote some dodgy poetry and so on doesn't mean we have to follow suit with everything they did. Slavery was normal, too.

”Hairy” is quite a big thing in porn.

My own hair removal from late teens onwards was inspired by blood from heavy periods, a sweaty crotch, hairs poking out of swimwear or knickers and receiving better oral, not porn.

Piffle11 · 24/05/2025 11:27

Ahsheeit · 24/05/2025 00:31

Generally can't be arsed and call the council once a year when it gets out of control 😉

😆😆😆

Lardychops · 24/05/2025 10:59

uuuuu · 24/05/2025 09:38

Then report it to MNHQ if you are so sure

Not been in Mumsnet long but I guess that does happen.
49 year old mother of 4 boys and 2 girls.
Promise x

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EBearhug · 24/05/2025 10:34
  1. All porn inspired. Epilation was a feature offered in Ancient Rome and Ancient Greek bathhouses, it’s nothing new.
  2. It may be nothing new, but just because they painted porn scenes on the walls and had phallic amulets and wrote some dodgy poetry and so on doesn't mean we have to follow suit with everything they did. Slavery was normal, too.
Catsandcannedbeans · 24/05/2025 09:52

Before I had kids and when I had an astonishing amount of free time I used to shave it into a star… damn motherhood robs us of so much.

When I was a teen I used to shave it but when I met DP he said “can you not shave it bald it makes feel like a nonce” And I jumped at the opportunity. Then I found out you could make it crazy shapes and an iconic bush was born.

To be honest I get why he feels like that because if he shaved all his pubes off I would think that was weird and probably wouldn’t like it.