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Have the school done the right thing even though it punishes the wrong set of people ?

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Mumof3bringwine · 23/05/2025 19:50

DC is in year 6 and as I am sure everyone with a child in the same year is aware the leavers celebrations are in full swing.
The leavers hoodies were organised by the class parent rep.
The hoodies were handed out a while ago and the children have been proudly wearing them 2 days a week in school and were due to wear them for their residential.
unfortunately the Rep has purposely left 1 child without a hoody and also did not include their name on everyone else’s hoody.
I am not sure why it has only been bought to the attention of the school now, but they sent an email basically saying due to one child’s name not being on the hoody they are now banned from being worn on the school premises. Some very angry parents who think the school are punishing the children for something not in their control.
I am not sure what else the school could of done ? I believe they made the right decision but I seem to be the minority!

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thenoisiesttermagant · 24/05/2025 00:38

I'm actually pretty sure that in my child's class, if one child had been left off the hoodies then the other children wouldn't have wanted to wear the hoodies as, by year 6, they had the empathy to consider how shitty it would make them feel if the tables were turned. And they cared more about their classmates wellbeing and their friendships. Even for the children who they weren't particularly friends with I think they'd do this, because they'd realise that deliberately wearing such a hoody with one name only missing would be a cruel act.

Sounds like in this case at first no-one noticed, but now they have I can't imagine children wanting to be so deliberately exclusionary to a classmate.

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:36

CantStopMoving · 24/05/2025 00:34

when was doing the year 6 organising I was working a full time job. I did it all in my evenings and weekends for free. You got the communication in a manner that worked for me, sending it out at whatever time worked for me. Or the children didn’t get a yearbook or a hoodie at all as there would be no one to do it. I wasn’t there just to serve all the people who couldn’t be bothered. I was doing it for the kids. This is why i did it for both my children in when year 6 and then I said never again! No snobby cliques but just overworked mums who wanted to give the kids a good send off

Edited

Doing it for the kids but If a parent wasn’t available to comminute when you were … didn’t get a year book

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Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:35

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:32

whatsapp groups can be muted, that's the beauty of them.

And funnily enough, it's always parents complaining about the drama who ARE the drama!

of course it is - or it may be those parents who are constantly being bullied by parents who think they are gods gifts.

oh and it is drama and I don’t even comment in there so it is not me causing the drama - it is the same 3 parents over and over who belittle everyone else.

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CantStopMoving · 24/05/2025 00:34

socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/05/2025 00:21

No it's not special treatment. Just simply that many of us use perfectly normal and accepted means of communication. eg email. Normal - in business, professional and personal communications. Luckily for me I am no longer involved in snobby cliques at schools. Once your child leaves primary you may well realise this.

when was doing the year 6 organising I was working a full time job. I did it all in my evenings and weekends for free. You got the communication in a manner that worked for me, sending it out at whatever time worked for me. Or the children didn’t get a yearbook or a hoodie at all as there would be no one to do it. I wasn’t there just to serve all the people who couldn’t be bothered. I was doing it for the kids. This is why i did it for both my children in when year 6 and then I said never again! No snobby cliques but just overworked mums who wanted to give the kids a good send off

1SillySossij · 24/05/2025 00:33

Year 6 are not full swing in celebrations. They are working hard as normal and will continue to do so til they leave. We do do not write off 2 months of learning time!

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:32

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:30

WhatsApp groups are the devil, the school have given the parents more warnings other WhatsApp behaviours than they have had to tell the kids off for playground squabbles.

whatsapp groups can be muted, that's the beauty of them.

And funnily enough, it's always parents complaining about the drama who ARE the drama!

thenoisiesttermagant · 24/05/2025 00:31

The payment is a total red herring. The issue is that this parent has taken it upon herself to erase the existence of a child in the class from what is a form of public record of the leavers class.

Imagine how that child must feel seeing those hoodies? It must be so distressing to that child, especially if they've been in that class for years. I don't care whatever disagreement there is between parents, you just don't do something so hideously cruel to a child.

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:30

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:28

why snobby? Because I am pointing out that YOU want emails, other parents do not want to communicate their email address, or do not want them flooded by class info, other parents want Facebook groups...

Whatsapp is a perfectly normal and accepted mean of communication.

Once your child leaves primary you may well realise this.
get off your high horse, since when you being precious about emails means the rest is "a clique".

WhatsApp groups are the devil, the school have given the parents more warnings other WhatsApp behaviours than they have had to tell the kids off for playground squabbles.

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Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:29

thenoisiesttermagant · 24/05/2025 00:27

Wow, it's one thing to not order a hoodie for a particular child if the parents don't want to pay or have an argument about payment, it's quite another thing to erase that child's existence from the class for everyone else on their leavers hoodies. Especially bad if only one child is excluded.

When my child was in year 6 there was a boy who'd only joined for the final term, his name was on the hoodie despite the fact that - unsurprisingly - he didn't order one. Leaving someone off who's been in the class for years presumably is just plain bullying. Good on the school for banning examples of such bullying.

Yes the statement from school clearly reads the reason for the removal of hoodies at school was due to the name removal not the physical jumper .

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thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:28

socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/05/2025 00:21

No it's not special treatment. Just simply that many of us use perfectly normal and accepted means of communication. eg email. Normal - in business, professional and personal communications. Luckily for me I am no longer involved in snobby cliques at schools. Once your child leaves primary you may well realise this.

why snobby? Because I am pointing out that YOU want emails, other parents do not want to communicate their email address, or do not want them flooded by class info, other parents want Facebook groups...

Whatsapp is a perfectly normal and accepted mean of communication.

Once your child leaves primary you may well realise this.
get off your high horse, since when you being precious about emails means the rest is "a clique".

thenoisiesttermagant · 24/05/2025 00:27

Wow, it's one thing to not order a hoodie for a particular child if the parents don't want to pay or have an argument about payment, it's quite another thing to erase that child's existence from the class for everyone else on their leavers hoodies. Especially bad if only one child is excluded.

When my child was in year 6 there was a boy who'd only joined for the final term, his name was on the hoodie despite the fact that - unsurprisingly - he didn't order one. Leaving someone off who's been in the class for years presumably is just plain bullying. Good on the school for banning examples of such bullying.

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:25

socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/05/2025 00:21

No it's not special treatment. Just simply that many of us use perfectly normal and accepted means of communication. eg email. Normal - in business, professional and personal communications. Luckily for me I am no longer involved in snobby cliques at schools. Once your child leaves primary you may well realise this.

I literally cannot wait !

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Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:24

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:12

again, volunteer yourself!

You are BU to expect a volunteer to put every detail to the vote, or to prioritise one thing over another. If you don't agree, get involved and put your opinion forward. As a non-volunteer, you don't get to dictate the way they manage their tasks.

You are also conveniently forgetting that half the parents will complain about too many discussions because they just want to pay and not hear a word.

Parents complain about emails sent by the school! So let's be realistic how much discussion and feedbacks parents are happy to give.

ok but managing a task is a completely different issue to what is here right

she decided to say to parents we will pay individually for our jumpers - everyone did

she then removed a child’s name from the jumper and refused her jumper because the VAT she accidentally ( fair enough ) missed off was added and the parent questioned it and couldn’t pay when it turns out that she did pay full price for her child’s jumper and don’t owe any money what so ever. You can’t force someone to pay more for something

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socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/05/2025 00:21

thetrumanshow · 23/05/2025 23:59

but you expect special treatment from a volunteer already giving away far too much time, and expect them to waste even more time to write you an email when everybody else is on the whatsapp group. (or vice-versa).

It's very annoying. They are doing YOU a favour, not the other way round.

No it's not special treatment. Just simply that many of us use perfectly normal and accepted means of communication. eg email. Normal - in business, professional and personal communications. Luckily for me I am no longer involved in snobby cliques at schools. Once your child leaves primary you may well realise this.

GeneralPeter · 24/05/2025 00:17

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:05

I wasn't there either, I am just replying to your post.

Being the only person to volunteer doesn't mean you can do a bad job.
they're not trying to do a bad job, but if they do -volunteer is not synonym of being a specialist or even efficient - you can't complain!

There’s another principle at play though, which is if you screw something up you should try to smooth it over with reasonably good grace. This was someone who actually should not have VAT levied on them, asking for some time to pay.

(Interesting off-topic debate about whether the rep is an agent or a reseller. VAT isn’t something you can just decide to vary because you feel it would be fairer if the rates were different).

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:12

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:08

I think you can complain though - but raising a question about VAT charges is not a complaint is a question. The point of appointing yourself as class rep which is a choice is not to dictate but to discuss and feedback.

again, volunteer yourself!

You are BU to expect a volunteer to put every detail to the vote, or to prioritise one thing over another. If you don't agree, get involved and put your opinion forward. As a non-volunteer, you don't get to dictate the way they manage their tasks.

You are also conveniently forgetting that half the parents will complain about too many discussions because they just want to pay and not hear a word.

Parents complain about emails sent by the school! So let's be realistic how much discussion and feedbacks parents are happy to give.

cremebruleee · 24/05/2025 00:11

Mumof3bringwine · 23/05/2025 20:01

I don’t know, I don’t think many of the other parents talk to her after some issues with actually the same set of parents so she doesn’t really talk to anyone. I do believe there is some additional needs present with her DC.
I am concerned though that it will be her who gets the blame.

Why on earth would she get the blame?! The blame lies firmly with the nasty parent bullying her child!

cremebruleee · 24/05/2025 00:09

The school is right. The adult/parent who purposely left this name off is a bully and should be ashamed of themselves.

CantStopMoving · 24/05/2025 00:09

EggnogNoggin · 24/05/2025 00:02

You know I wasn't actually there, right?

And that you go around charging people for things they didn't agree to pay.

Stupid class rep should have offered adults to pay for adult vat items or cancelled the order. Could have considered speaking to PTA or school about pupil premium top ups, or just not organised it.

Being the only person to volunteer doesn't mean you can do a bad job.

And we wonder why people don’t want to volunteer to be reps or the PTA.. it honestly is the world’s most thankless task.

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 00:08

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:05

I wasn't there either, I am just replying to your post.

Being the only person to volunteer doesn't mean you can do a bad job.
they're not trying to do a bad job, but if they do -volunteer is not synonym of being a specialist or even efficient - you can't complain!

I think you can complain though - but raising a question about VAT charges is not a complaint is a question. The point of appointing yourself as class rep which is a choice is not to dictate but to discuss and feedback.

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thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 00:05

EggnogNoggin · 24/05/2025 00:02

You know I wasn't actually there, right?

And that you go around charging people for things they didn't agree to pay.

Stupid class rep should have offered adults to pay for adult vat items or cancelled the order. Could have considered speaking to PTA or school about pupil premium top ups, or just not organised it.

Being the only person to volunteer doesn't mean you can do a bad job.

I wasn't there either, I am just replying to your post.

Being the only person to volunteer doesn't mean you can do a bad job.
they're not trying to do a bad job, but if they do -volunteer is not synonym of being a specialist or even efficient - you can't complain!

EggnogNoggin · 24/05/2025 00:02

thetrumanshow · 23/05/2025 23:56

unlike the removal of the name, that's the perfect example of "if you don't like it, do it yourself".

If you don't agree with the way the rep decided to deal with the VAT, you should have been involved in the process. This is what happens when you leave one person to deal with everything. You cannot complain that you don't agree with the way they actually deal with it.

You know I wasn't actually there, right?

And that you go around charging people for things they didn't agree to pay.

Stupid class rep should have offered adults to pay for adult vat items or cancelled the order. Could have considered speaking to PTA or school about pupil premium top ups, or just not organised it.

Being the only person to volunteer doesn't mean you can do a bad job.

thetrumanshow · 23/05/2025 23:59

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/05/2025 23:56

Not all of us use WhatsApp regularly - doesnt make us precious. You need an attitude adjustment. Nothing wrong with email - a lot less binging of notifications. I reply to emails efficiently - I might take days to reply to WhatsApp. And by the way I always pay my dues that I have agreed to and I dont need chasing. I receive emails and know what I need to pay.

but you expect special treatment from a volunteer already giving away far too much time, and expect them to waste even more time to write you an email when everybody else is on the whatsapp group. (or vice-versa).

It's very annoying. They are doing YOU a favour, not the other way round.

CantStopMoving · 23/05/2025 23:58

EggnogNoggin · 23/05/2025 23:48

Well she was factually wrong to try and smooth the VAT across all sizes as kids clothes are exempt from VAT.

So she fucked up the costing and fucked up the resolution.

No she wasn’t. It is hard enough collecting the money for 60 children, let alone trying to get them to pay different prices. All the children get a hoodie and they should pay the same price. I don’t know about other children’s schools but we had a very mixed demographic and so some children could never have afforded to pay £30 for one so we basically spread the cost of those children over all the other hoodies. No one had any complaint about this. Ultimately everyone paid about £30 for their hoodies whatever the size and honestly I don’t think that was an unreasonable price.

thetrumanshow · 23/05/2025 23:57

EggnogNoggin · 23/05/2025 23:54

It's not.

The organiser was a right cow.

And now everyone has useless hoodies and a bitter taste.

to be fair, I am pretty sure at least 50% ( and frankly a lot more) don't give a monkey about the whole name situation. If the child was a popular one, and a friend of their child, parents will have an opinion.

Otherwise, they really won't care.