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WIBU to email the school? Teacher now being cold

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ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 19:45

My 6 year old child has had underwear checked by 2 different teachers for an accident on two seperate occasions. I have also been able to walk into the classroom (normal at our school, parents take their kids to and from class) and be in it with no staff member present for around 5 minutes twice. I have complained to the school about the above, especially the underwear problem. Head was very helpful and apologetic, male teacher in question has been VERY stand offish since, I’ve not saw the other yet. Usually very chatty/smiley. Now avoiding conversation and letting other staff greet me.

AIBU to think word has got back (I’m sure it has) but find it very awkward going forward? Not sure how to approach as usually relationships are good

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CloudyPortal · 23/05/2025 22:36

That's odd. I wouldn't feel comfortable lifting a girls skirt as a woman even. The normal thing would be to tell her to check if she's wet in the toilets.

ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 22:32

Sassybooklover · 23/05/2025 22:31

How do you know your child's underwear has been checked? Did the school tell you this or your child? Most schools would ask a child to check themselves if there was a possibility the child had an accident. The staff member would stand outside the toilet door, whilst the child did this and also have another member of staff present. No staff member would do this on their own without another adult present - purely for safeguarding reasons. A lone teacher could be accused of touching a child or doing something they shouldn't, so should never be on their own, regardless of they are male or female. Some children do need help to clean themselves up, if they've had an accident, again two members of staff should be present. You need to be very very sure of your facts, before you make complaints of this nature. In this instance you have more or less accused the teacher of inappropriate behaviour towards your child. The staff member is going to be extremely wary how they interact with your child, and you, going forward.

If you’d bothered to read the thread you’d see the teacher told me himself. And then the same teacher told me another teacher had checked by themselves. The school and my child have confirmed both occasions.

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ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 22:31

CalmDownCats · 23/05/2025 22:29

You were right to complain...Why on Earth would they need to check pants if your DC has never even had an accident at school?

My DD currently has some tummy troubles and she only ever changes her pants etc at school is if she tells them. Her TA helps helps to clean her up, for which I am eternally grateful. They do not randomly check pants and this should definitely not be happening unless there are known issues, like in DDs case.

I think there's massive cause for concern here. The cold shoulder only makes him seem suspiciously defensive.

my friend said the same RE suspicion. I would have thought it in his character to approach me and either apologise or explain as that’s what has very much been his nature previously

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Sassybooklover · 23/05/2025 22:31

How do you know your child's underwear has been checked? Did the school tell you this or your child? Most schools would ask a child to check themselves if there was a possibility the child had an accident. The staff member would stand outside the toilet door, whilst the child did this and also have another member of staff present. No staff member would do this on their own without another adult present - purely for safeguarding reasons. A lone teacher could be accused of touching a child or doing something they shouldn't, so should never be on their own, regardless of they are male or female. Some children do need help to clean themselves up, if they've had an accident, again two members of staff should be present. You need to be very very sure of your facts, before you make complaints of this nature. In this instance you have more or less accused the teacher of inappropriate behaviour towards your child. The staff member is going to be extremely wary how they interact with your child, and you, going forward.

CalmDownCats · 23/05/2025 22:29

You were right to complain...Why on Earth would they need to check pants if your DC has never even had an accident at school?

My DD currently has some tummy troubles and she only ever changes her pants etc at school is if she tells them. Her TA helps helps to clean her up, for which I am eternally grateful. They do not randomly check pants and this should definitely not be happening unless there are known issues, like in DDs case.

I think there's massive cause for concern here. The cold shoulder only makes him seem suspiciously defensive.

ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 22:29

hopspot · 23/05/2025 22:21

As a primary school teacher I find it incredibly unbelievable that parents can just walk into classrooms and a teacher would check wet pants in such a way. I’ve been a teacher of 6 years olds for a long time and this is far far far from standard safe practice.

I honestly would move schools. What on earth are you paying for? The basic safety of your child is not even present.

This is my concern. The school should have enough money for AT LEAST some sort of round the clock security and/or ID cards or fobs. The school goes from reception to year 11 so you can imagine the amount of parents in and out of the buildings collecting their kids. They claim the one gate attendant “knows parents faces”

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ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 22:27

BallerinaRadio · 23/05/2025 22:22

Who in the hell describes their child as "notably immaculately" 🤨

lol. I knew somebody would say this. Other parents, many times, hence why I said “notably”.

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BallerinaRadio · 23/05/2025 22:22

Who in the hell describes their child as "notably immaculately" 🤨

hopspot · 23/05/2025 22:21

As a primary school teacher I find it incredibly unbelievable that parents can just walk into classrooms and a teacher would check wet pants in such a way. I’ve been a teacher of 6 years olds for a long time and this is far far far from standard safe practice.

I honestly would move schools. What on earth are you paying for? The basic safety of your child is not even present.

ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 22:18

In fairness, the response from the head was absolutely rapid. Full of apology and promises of change. I guess I can only see if the proposals are followed through but in the meantime I do feel massively unsettled.

if there’s any relevance, it’s a private school that offers a huge amount of wrap around care so they very much pride themselves on parents being able to come and go into classes as they please. You don’t have to give notice/book a space.

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PinkStarsandBlackWalls · 23/05/2025 22:16

These are both safeguarding issues and the school is leaving themselves wide open to accusations or accidents which they cannot defend.

PinkStarsandBlackWalls · 23/05/2025 22:15

Parents are not DBS checked and should not be alone with children.

PinkStarsandBlackWalls · 23/05/2025 22:14

ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 21:58

Apologies ive had family round. I dont want to complain that the teacher is being cold, my “was I being unreasonable” was about the initial complaint.

my child does not smell, she is notably immaculate, the teacher told me himself that he’d checked her underwear. Apparently she’d said she thought her pants were wet and he immediately lifted her skirt to check. This has been confirmed. No offer for her to check herself. He even said to me that it’s not like her as he’s never known her to have an accident. I was clear in the email that I’m not suggesting anything sinister or malicious, but find it inappropriate that it’s standard practice for this to happen. Which again has been admitted and they’ve said they’ll review their procedures.

the complaint about going into the class is a massive safeguarding thing for me, that’s why I mentioned taking my children to and from their classes as I’ve been able to do this twice without staff noticing I’m there for up to 5 minutes. I’d also mentioned a teacher being out of the room texting (phone inside his rucksack) and the whole year 1 class being there with no teacher (and me in the room!)

This is really not ok. I would be very cross indeed as a parent of a daughter and I’ve been teaching for a very long time. It’s not appropriate behaviour. It’s not a good thing to teach little girls that a man can just lift her skirt without permission. He should have firstly got the child to go to the toilet and check herself and then quite frankly accepted her verbal answer. If he was still concerned (why?!) two female staff members could have checked with the child’s consent. Or he could have just offered her dry knickers for her to change herself if needed.

ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 22:03

Also to clarify, she hadn’t had an accident and she was outside playing with water in the hot weather at the time

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thismummyslife · 23/05/2025 22:01

crumblingschools · 23/05/2025 20:32

Wet patches on classroom carpet at carpet time in YR are quite common!

Aaaaa yes, the suspect wet patch! And no one admitting to it but there’s always one that wiffs of wee wee!

if it were me, I would have asked your DD if they had had an accident.

notatinydancer · 23/05/2025 22:01

pinksquash13 · 23/05/2025 20:13

How have they checked the underwear? What's your issue with being in the classroom for 5mins?

She was there on her own. There should always be a member of staff there surely ?

ChicJoker · 23/05/2025 21:58

Apologies ive had family round. I dont want to complain that the teacher is being cold, my “was I being unreasonable” was about the initial complaint.

my child does not smell, she is notably immaculate, the teacher told me himself that he’d checked her underwear. Apparently she’d said she thought her pants were wet and he immediately lifted her skirt to check. This has been confirmed. No offer for her to check herself. He even said to me that it’s not like her as he’s never known her to have an accident. I was clear in the email that I’m not suggesting anything sinister or malicious, but find it inappropriate that it’s standard practice for this to happen. Which again has been admitted and they’ve said they’ll review their procedures.

the complaint about going into the class is a massive safeguarding thing for me, that’s why I mentioned taking my children to and from their classes as I’ve been able to do this twice without staff noticing I’m there for up to 5 minutes. I’d also mentioned a teacher being out of the room texting (phone inside his rucksack) and the whole year 1 class being there with no teacher (and me in the room!)

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GladysHeeler · 23/05/2025 21:17

sammylady37 · 23/05/2025 21:08

Op was very careful not to disclose if her child is a girl or a boy

And she didn’t say it was the teacher.

sammylady37 · 23/05/2025 21:08

PinkStarsandBlackWalls · 23/05/2025 20:42

No teacher should be checking the underwear of their class. If they really really need to, then a male teacher should absolutely not be checking a girl. Primary schools are about 95% women. There will be plenty about to check. If staff have a situation where they really must check, then two adults should be present in an open space. If nothing else, these staff members are leaving themselves wide open to complaints and investigations.

Op was very careful not to disclose if her child is a girl or a boy

ChompandaGrazia · 23/05/2025 21:03

Hilly87 · 23/05/2025 20:50

I understand your concern and feel we don’t have all the details to make an informed judgement to support you next.
I teach reception and had the opposite complaint made. A child going home with slightly wet underwear from not wiping properly (clothes never visibly wet and child hadn’t said anything about a potential accident). I felt horrified about the prospect of an uncomfortable child but also still utterly confused by how I was supposed to know without physically checking (and why would I if there were no signs of an accident 😓).
I agree with posters above though. I wouldn’t ever physically check a child’s underwear even if I suspected an accident. I would ask the child if they hadn’t already approached me, then request they check in the toilets/get themselves changed if they are fully capable. Support is given to change if needed (not wipe unless intimate care plan in place).
I hope you get all the answers you need, OP x

ETA: I do think you would be unreasonable to email the school about the teacher’s current demeanour towards you. The complaint is being handled by the sounds of things, and things like this could rightly or wrongly (I don’t know the details) cost the teacher their career. I would wait to see the outcome of the complaint, plus there’s only one more term left of this school year.

Edited

Same here. Opposite complaint too. Child had messed himself and the parent complained that I hadn’t noticed. How I was meant to know when he hadn’t told me I don’t know.

Jem96 · 23/05/2025 21:03

Teacher here, albeit not in primary.

I imagine if kids are increasingly starting school not potty trained, there’ll be a hell of a lot of accidents even at age six. The teachers won’t have information on who was trained when and if they are prone to accidents obviously. Having said that, I’d not like my DD to be checked either - I’m just trying to think why they checked above. But I also hate the thought of her soiling or wetting herself and nothing being done about it. They should have had a quiet word and encouraged her to check in a toilet.

I imagine the teacher is upset due to the complaint - hardly surprising. Of course they aren’t going to act as normal. They can be professional without being friendly. I have taught kids of serial complainers (not that you are!) and I was certainly more succinct in my interactions with them and would have kept them to an absolute minimum if they complained about me. I’d also be very shaken by a complaint of this nature frankly and very cautious going forward.

Hilly87 · 23/05/2025 20:50

I understand your concern and feel we don’t have all the details to make an informed judgement to support you next.
I teach reception and had the opposite complaint made. A child going home with slightly wet underwear from not wiping properly (clothes never visibly wet and child hadn’t said anything about a potential accident). I felt horrified about the prospect of an uncomfortable child but also still utterly confused by how I was supposed to know without physically checking (and why would I if there were no signs of an accident 😓).
I agree with posters above though. I wouldn’t ever physically check a child’s underwear even if I suspected an accident. I would ask the child if they hadn’t already approached me, then request they check in the toilets/get themselves changed if they are fully capable. Support is given to change if needed (not wipe unless intimate care plan in place).
I hope you get all the answers you need, OP x

ETA: I do think you would be unreasonable to email the school about the teacher’s current demeanour towards you. The complaint is being handled by the sounds of things, and things like this could rightly or wrongly (I don’t know the details) cost the teacher their career. I would wait to see the outcome of the complaint, plus there’s only one more term left of this school year.

wafflesmgee · 23/05/2025 20:46

I get why you complained but I don’t get why you are surprised the teacher is now acting differently towards you/keeping their distance. You have prioritised the safety of your child, fair enough, but don’t expect the teacher to be over the moon that you’ve made two safeguarding complaints about them. I mean, really?!

Snoken · 23/05/2025 20:45

I think you might need to rethink this one. You want to make a complaint about a teacher being cold towards you because you made a complaint against them. So a double-complaint. That will surely not make things warmer.

PinkStarsandBlackWalls · 23/05/2025 20:42

No teacher should be checking the underwear of their class. If they really really need to, then a male teacher should absolutely not be checking a girl. Primary schools are about 95% women. There will be plenty about to check. If staff have a situation where they really must check, then two adults should be present in an open space. If nothing else, these staff members are leaving themselves wide open to complaints and investigations.