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To think that it should be illegal to go abroad without travel insurance

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AusBoundDD · 23/05/2025 18:46

A friend has just put a plea for GoFundMe donations on our WhatsApp group as one of her cousins was involved in a car crash whilst on holiday in Spain, ending up in hospital with multiple bad fractures. He was uninsured so the family have been left unable to pay for his hefty ambulance fees, surgery, hospital stay etc. To make matters worse he isn’t fit to fly commercially and instead needs to be medically evacuated home to the UK via private air ambulance.

It feels like a yearly occurrence - someone begging for help to get their relative home after they’ve been stupid/naive enough to leave the country without adequate travel insurance. Surely it should be like having your passport - you can’t board a plane or gain entry to a country abroad without it?!

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socialdilemmawhattodo · 24/05/2025 15:37

AthWat · 24/05/2025 13:43

Your dad was Churchill?

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No you dopey doris! Churchill are an insurance company!

Simonjt · 24/05/2025 15:35

It already is a legal requirement for some people, before I had a British passport I had to prove I had insurance to go to a few places on holiday.

It could be like care insurance, self insurance still legal, but that money is ringfenced and held until the person returns home.

I have pre-existing conditions so mine is a little bit pricier than most, its still affordable, and as I don’t lie when I take it out when I have needed to use it it has always been smooth sailing.

Sesma · 24/05/2025 15:29

Where are these go fund me pages that are causing so much stress to people, surely you just ignore them, I have seen the odd sad face in the papers but not these pages, do you have to seek them out.

countrygirl99 · 24/05/2025 15:23

andtheworldrollson · 23/05/2025 19:46

41% of adults have a long term health condition that would need to be declared - asthma diabetes arthritis , IBS, mental health including an history of depression … it’s surprising how many people here therefore say they don’t have to worry about it’s cost

We have joint annual worldwide cover via bank account it's something like £15 per month then we have to pay an extra £35 a year because my husband is an insulin dependent diabetic with arthritis and a bowel condition. So chronic conditions don't necessarily add a huge amount.

Welshmonster · 24/05/2025 15:20

another problem is insurance companies not paying out. People find out they have brain tumour but because they had a blood test for menopause and didn’t declare it - they are denied cover!

Flicitytricity · 24/05/2025 14:50

I have annual insurance, wouldn't travel without it, but I have zero trust in it.
I'm going back a few years, so things may have changed (though I doubt it), I had breast cancer, mastectomy, chemo, radiotherapy etc etc
A year later, planning a short break, I took out travel insurance
I declared it all, every snuffle, operation, investigation - you name it, it was declared.
I got cover, no problem, but they excluded any issues relating to my breast cancer diagnosis.
Knowing there would be nothing immediately life threatening, I went ahead.
I fell off a bus when it jerked forward as i was getting off, and broke my ankle. Thanks the Gods for insurance and cracked on with life.

My claim was rejected by the insurers, because they claimed my bone debsity/strength had been depleted by the treatment I had received for cancer, and therefore was more prone to breakage than the norm. As it was 'related' to my cancer, it was excluded from cover.

Now, right or wrong, would you have expected that?

Screwed my finances ☹️

I'm well over the outrage now, but every time I renew my insurance I resent the money suckered.

OnlyDespairRemains · 24/05/2025 14:42

AngelicKaty · 24/05/2025 14:27

Ignore it is exactly what I'd do. I certainly wouldn't be contributing to someone else's medical bills because they couldn't be arsed/were too tight to pay for travel insurance for themselves.

So you'd be forcing them to accept the responsibility for their own choices - glad to hear it. Now if everyone would just do that, then there would be no need for the ridiculous concept of forcing everyone to pay higher insurance costs, just to save some people from the consequences of their own, easily foreseeable actions.

AngelicKaty · 24/05/2025 14:27

OnlyDespairRemains · 24/05/2025 14:20

Because nobody has to pay in to a go fund me. If you do, you are taking responsiblity for their choices, not them.

Why is it seemingly so hard for people just to ignore this? So bizarre.

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Ignore it is exactly what I'd do. I certainly wouldn't be contributing to someone else's medical bills because they couldn't be arsed/were too tight to pay for travel insurance for themselves.

Amba1998 · 24/05/2025 14:27

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

Provided that family member is aware of the risks and the costs and is able to cover those costs and not then expect donations. Fine by me.

I don’t think it should be illegal per se but people should be able to cover the costs themselves in these eventualities. They could run into the millions! Not many people can say that they can cover that!

My child has a long term medical condition and can get cover. It costs a fortune, more than a holiday to go long haul, less so if we stay in Europe. We pay it.

Lancrelady80 · 24/05/2025 14:26

OnePerkyFish · 24/05/2025 14:24

That's a bit weird that you would get that quote when it's not something you have to declare

They wanted to know about any recent investigations. So we told them.

AgeingDoc · 24/05/2025 14:25

OnePerkyFish · 24/05/2025 13:58

Because when that person returns to the UK than they are out responsibility

As are people who have been taken ill/had accidents on holiday and are insured. You don't generally get all your care in your holiday destination and once you're home the cover doesn't continue. If you need surgery abroad or break a limb etc then your follow up and treatment of any complications will still almost certainly be done by the NHS.
And for things that are going to be long term, in my experience insurers are usually keen to repatriate as soon as possible. I've been on the receiving end of quite a few repatriations from ICUs in other countries over the years and although repatriating a ventilated patient is very complicated and extremely expensive it's not as expensive as several months further ICU care and rehab. The insurers are usually pushing to get expensive patients off their hands as soon as they can. Plus of course insurance has limits. It may sound like policies provide a vast amount of cover, but end up on ICU in, for example, the USA and it will get eaten up at quite a rate.
Not that I am condoning not taking out insurance, but both the insured and uninsured are likely to end up back in NHS care when they get home anyway.

OnePerkyFish · 24/05/2025 14:24

Lancrelady80 · 24/05/2025 14:22

We were quoted £5k for a week's insurance to go to Greece at one point. The reason? Dh had seen the dr recently due to a spate of nose bleeds. He had been prone to them as a kid. All was investigated and put down to a combination of having a heavy cold at the same time as hayfever. So nothing hanging over him which could have been sinister - he'd just got a cold plus hayfever. A few nosebleeds would have cost us £5k.

We ended up not going (family reasons which became apparent before booking) but that quote sticks with me.

Edited to say £5k, not £5, at end of paragraph.

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That's a bit weird that you would get that quote when it's not something you have to declare

Lancrelady80 · 24/05/2025 14:22

We were quoted £5k for a week's insurance to go to Greece at one point. The reason? Dh had seen the dr recently due to a spate of nose bleeds. He had been prone to them as a kid. All was investigated and put down to a combination of having a heavy cold at the same time as hayfever. So nothing hanging over him which could have been sinister - he'd just got a cold plus hayfever. A few nosebleeds would have cost us £5k.

We ended up not going (family reasons which became apparent before booking) but that quote sticks with me.

Edited to say £5k, not £5, at end of paragraph.

OnlyDespairRemains · 24/05/2025 14:20

AngelicKaty · 24/05/2025 14:17

How are they taking responsibility for their choices when a Go Fund Me page has been set up begging for other people to pay their medical bills? 🙄

Because nobody has to pay in to a go fund me. If you do, you are taking responsiblity for their choices, not them.

Why is it seemingly so hard for people just to ignore this? So bizarre.

SapphireSeptember · 24/05/2025 14:17

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

Well, yeah? I can't afford to travel abroad at all, but if I could I'd get travel insurance because I'd be scared not to. Travelling isn't essential, although it's a nice thing to do.

Viviennemary · 24/05/2025 14:17

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

It would be unwise to travel abroad. I've been told everyone can get travel insurance. Perhaps at a price though.

AngelicKaty · 24/05/2025 14:17

OnlyDespairRemains · 23/05/2025 19:36

86% in favour. Christ, the nanny state in full swing. A lot of you are apparently happy to pay to protect people from their own stupidity and line insurance companies pockets at the same time.

I despair - whatever happened to letting people take responsibility for their choices?

How are they taking responsibility for their choices when a Go Fund Me page has been set up begging for other people to pay their medical bills? 🙄

samarrange · 24/05/2025 14:16

A lot of the suggestions in this thread remind me of the adage that "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong".

spoonbillstretford · 24/05/2025 14:13

It should certainly be illegal for insurers not to pay out for spurious reasons.

BeLilacWriter · 24/05/2025 14:05

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

If they want to travel abroad they make sure the funds are there to pay for healthcare by some other means. Expecting others to pick up the tab is both entitled and pathetic.

Noodlehen · 24/05/2025 14:03

Sansan18 · 23/05/2025 19:23

A neighbour of mine had a traumatic spinal injury when a rugby scrum collapsed.He had travelled about 30 miles from N Ireland into the Republic of Ireland for the game.
This happened when he was in his early 20's and I only ever knew him as a middle aged man.Decades of his life were spent trying to repay hospital fees and it was really stressful for the family.It's a very different scenario but in his case he had to pay every penny back.

Why, did he go to a private doctor? He would have had HSE cover in ROI, and maybe paid for the trip to A&E only which was €100 last time I had to use it. Plus €80 a day if you stay in hospital, max €800 a year.

MyHouseInThePrairie · 24/05/2025 14:03

OnePerkyFish · 24/05/2025 13:58

Because when that person returns to the UK than they are out responsibility

They are whether the person is taking an insurrance or not. Once back in the U.K., theyre back into the nirmal system. The insurrance won’t cover anything then.

BuildbyNumbere · 24/05/2025 14:01

Seems like there is a GoFundMe for everything these days! It’s non stop.
I wouldn’t contribute to this … a decent level of travel insurance can be found quite cheaply and there really is no excuse not to have it.

MyHouseInThePrairie · 24/05/2025 14:01

Pavedaspen · 23/05/2025 19:59

We used to have EU health cards for this reason.

It still exist and there is no reason for not taking it!!

It doesn’t mean it would all be free. But you certainly shouldn't need to pay for everything

OnePerkyFish · 24/05/2025 13:58

Also the UK is treating people for free

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