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To think that it should be illegal to go abroad without travel insurance

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AusBoundDD · 23/05/2025 18:46

A friend has just put a plea for GoFundMe donations on our WhatsApp group as one of her cousins was involved in a car crash whilst on holiday in Spain, ending up in hospital with multiple bad fractures. He was uninsured so the family have been left unable to pay for his hefty ambulance fees, surgery, hospital stay etc. To make matters worse he isn’t fit to fly commercially and instead needs to be medically evacuated home to the UK via private air ambulance.

It feels like a yearly occurrence - someone begging for help to get their relative home after they’ve been stupid/naive enough to leave the country without adequate travel insurance. Surely it should be like having your passport - you can’t board a plane or gain entry to a country abroad without it?!

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PhotoFirePoet · 25/05/2025 21:26

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

If I could not get travel insurance for any medical condition that I had, I would not want to travel abroad. Accidents happen, you can get an infection through no fault of your own which requires hospital treatment, then what do you do?

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/05/2025 20:57

Some of the attitudes to insurance on here really indicate the lack of knowledge and common sense!
It's like the question of "should I not travel then if I can't get insurance" - the question is how are you going to self-fund any medical bills if anything goes wrong!

I do also question how much people think medical bills can be! It's not just a few hundred quid! It can be £2000 a day whilst in hospital. A YouTuber I follow took ill overseas and 5 weeks in hospital and repatriation cost his insurance company £100,000! Be aware of what you may have to fund for yourself or a family member!

Steer clear of dirt cheap policies because they'll not cover much, read all the policy to see what it covers before paying such small sums of money!
Also be aware of what can invalidate policies, such as hiring mopeds or quads etc! You won't be covered if you get into an accident on something like that! Winter sports requires extra cover so don't be thinking that your £5 policy covers riding around on a deathtrap moped or quad.

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/05/2025 20:43

FedupofArsenalgame · 24/05/2025 16:57

You could buy a cheap £20 policy that wouldn't actually cover you in reality if that was an issue. You'd have paperwork to get in. Bit like buying a refundable ,( or fake) flight to show at check in to be allowed to board. In Kuala Lumpur flying to Thailand and airline wouldn't let me check in as had no flight out of Thailand within 30 days. I just booked one on the BA site, showed them the details, got checked in and cancelled the flight ( 24 hour free cancellation) when landed in Bangkok.

Ways and means round most things

Being an illegal overstayer isn't great advice! You basically gained entry to a country by deception! If they want to see you have a flight back in the next 30 days it's because your visa status probably doesn't extend beyond 30 days! Not only ate you telling people to break immigration laws, you are telling people to buy cheap worthless insurance! A YouTube traveller I follow ended up in a Thai hospital unexpectedly for 5 weeks before being flown home, his insurance had to cover £100,000 and he was in trouble for illegally overstaying!

Speckly · 25/05/2025 20:40

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

That’s highly unlikely unless it’s terminal! I have several long term conditions and have to pay through the nose for insurance but that’s why I’m more likely to need it than the average person. It’s irresponsible to go without it quite honestly. Why should others contribute to a go fund me because you chose to go without it! I’ve seen 2 such cases on the news only today…

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/05/2025 20:35

SarfLondonLad · 25/05/2025 18:47

So, what happens if you cannot get insurance?

You save money to cover treatment before you go! You have to be responsible for funding yourself!

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/05/2025 20:33

FedupofArsenalgame · 25/05/2025 16:17

What when you are not unwell at all and still get extremely extortionate quotes as I did 18 months ago.

Save enough money to personally pay for anything, falling and fracturing a wrist will still entail a bill if you aren't insured! Make sure you can pay for yourself!

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/05/2025 20:30

andtheworldrollson · 23/05/2025 19:27

Do they really need to be brought back to the uk or is that a preference ?

You don't stay in hospitals overseas at potentially thousands of pounds per day!

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/05/2025 20:24

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

It depends whether those conditions are a risk of becoming an issue when away, it's stupidity to take risks when there's a likelihood of ending up in hospital overseas because why should anyone else pick up the tab? If it goes wrong, it can cost certainly more than 10k! I follow a traveller that took ill overseas and his hospital bill was about £2k a day! If you as a family are happy to cover the bill between you then go for it but don't rely on go fund mes and block a hospital bed overseas.

FedupofArsenalgame · 25/05/2025 20:19

BigDahliaFan · 25/05/2025 20:11

Well Spain isn’t going to pay for his care….it’ll have to be paid for somehow.

Well the GHIC card will give anyone the same care in a state hospital as any Spanish Spanish citizen

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/05/2025 20:12

tsmainsqueeze · 23/05/2025 18:58

I agree.
I just paid for my sons spanish holiday insurance £5 aprox ,any body who chooses not to pay insurance is an idiot.

Always check the small print and what the policy provides when buying such a cheap policy.

BigDahliaFan · 25/05/2025 20:11

andtheworldrollson · 23/05/2025 19:27

Do they really need to be brought back to the uk or is that a preference ?

Well Spain isn’t going to pay for his care….it’ll have to be paid for somehow.

FedupofArsenalgame · 25/05/2025 20:09

JustMeAndTheFish · 25/05/2025 19:50

People who come to this country to work pay their national insurance through PAYE, PLUS a yearly immigration health surcharge to access the NHS which is paid upfront when they apply for a visa; currently over £1000. There are exemptions that I’m aware of but they certainly can’t swan in and access the NHS for free.

Anyone , even a tourist can access emergency NHS treatment for free

saveforthat · 25/05/2025 20:02

JustMeAndTheFish · 25/05/2025 19:50

People who come to this country to work pay their national insurance through PAYE, PLUS a yearly immigration health surcharge to access the NHS which is paid upfront when they apply for a visa; currently over £1000. There are exemptions that I’m aware of but they certainly can’t swan in and access the NHS for free.

What about those that come over on boats?

saveforthat · 25/05/2025 20:00

I have incurable cancer. When I put my details into comparison websites only 2 will insure me, quotes were £6 and £18K for Europe. Specialist insurers like Insure With won't insure me. I holiday in the UK. I am desperate to go abroad though and am considering using my European health card, I understand you would receive emergency care in line with residents but it does not cover body repatriation. I/my partner would have the funds to pay for anything required. I think you should have to prove you have insurance or sufficient funds before you travel. In fact I remember when you had to accept the agents insurance or give details of your alternative.

JustMeAndTheFish · 25/05/2025 19:50

Adkim · 25/05/2025 18:27

More to the point, it should be illegal to enter UK as a foreign national without private health insurance unless a reciprocal arrangement is in place with the other government. Too many people come to UK and expect the NHS to treat them free of charge when they have not contributed any money to UK government funds.

People who come to this country to work pay their national insurance through PAYE, PLUS a yearly immigration health surcharge to access the NHS which is paid upfront when they apply for a visa; currently over £1000. There are exemptions that I’m aware of but they certainly can’t swan in and access the NHS for free.

JustMeAndTheFish · 25/05/2025 19:45

As someone said in one of my solo travel groups… there are two types of travellers; those who pay for their own insurance and those who’s insurance is the expectation that people will contribute to their GoFundMe page.
I think that having insurance should be requirement of travel.
And it is usually possible to find insurance whatever the age or health of the traveller. I took my aged parents on holiday when they were in their 90s and the insurance was about £1000.

Youbutterbelieve · 25/05/2025 19:11

SarfLondonLad · 25/05/2025 18:47

So, what happens if you cannot get insurance?

You either don't travel or you have a good savings account that can cover any costs.

SarfLondonLad · 25/05/2025 18:47

So, what happens if you cannot get insurance?

Worndownbyit · 25/05/2025 18:37

If he doesn't have sufficient funds to deal with any potential medical issues then yes, he'll have to holiday at home unless your family has agreed to club together and cover him.

Adkim · 25/05/2025 18:27

More to the point, it should be illegal to enter UK as a foreign national without private health insurance unless a reciprocal arrangement is in place with the other government. Too many people come to UK and expect the NHS to treat them free of charge when they have not contributed any money to UK government funds.

MMUmum · 25/05/2025 18:12

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

I have several serious long term conditions which are all stable, never had a problem getting travel insurance through specialist providers, although it costs a bit more, obviously

Lolalady · 25/05/2025 17:51

In 2015 myself and my late husband were involved in an RTA on our motorbike while travelling through Holland. Husband was in ICU for 5 weeks and had to be returned to the UK by Air Ambulance. Never would I travel without insurance. People who do should not resort to GoFundMe when things go wrong. No way would i be contributing

Cakeandusername · 25/05/2025 17:24

How would you police it? You could show a cheapo policy but not worth paper written on as it won’t cover you due to occupation or medical history.
There was a lad injured in Thailand recently (slipping near waterfall) with a go fund me. There was insurance but wouldn’t pay out apparently. Article said he was in army but just on hols with gf, not doing any extreme activities or sports. I was checking out policy for a group trip and in tiny print military staff were fully excluded so I assume he’s fallen foul of a clause like that.

Runmybathforme · 25/05/2025 17:22

lnks · 23/05/2025 19:11

My family member can't get travel insurance because of several long term conditions. Are you suggesting he should never be able to travel abroad?

Unless he is prepared to lose his house in the event of an accident, no he shouldn’t be travelling.

Earlymornyawn · 25/05/2025 17:18

Pandasandelephants · 23/05/2025 20:10

Have you not heard of waiting lists? years!

Out of interest, does anyone know if travel insurance will turn one down whilst waiting for an ASD assessment? My DC is on a 6 year waiting list.

Yes, they will not cover you if waiting for ASD assessment. I had this very scenario 2 years ago BUT there are some insurances that will cover you for everything else just not the thing you are on the waiting list for. It’s really important to check as one insurance policy I was going to take out wouldn’t have covered my DC for anything as they were on the waiting list for ASD.