Why are so many men perverts?

Having a private conversation with the person you have sex with about your own sexual behaviour is not the same thing at all.

I haven’t said you’re lying. I haven’t questioned your experience. You questioned other women, insinuating that it was something they were doing for this to happen to them. Blame the men who do this. I’ve just been talking about this thread and your post with my male partner. He was as appalled as I was and said there is no ‘attitude’ that a woman could have that would make him sexually harass a woman, you know, because he’s not a pervy creep.

I think it is ‘more spread out’. Ime, most women have experienced this.

Quite a lot of women write poetry about sex and their bodies

There is one specific one I can half recall talking about female masturbation

Quite

Daring to point out women do completely inappropriate things on MN just leads to the abuse we've seen on here already

I’ve written some great poems about labia

Well, my original post was wondering why some women have so many experience while others have none. It would make more sense if it was more spread out, I was just wondering. How come someone can be harassed and inappropriately touched without her consent several times a day, when that never happens to others? I am not complaining, but because of the difference, it always end up with accusations that the rest of us are lying!

I added the attitude as a reason because you annoyed me.

Hen nights

I never asked you to apologise. I didn’t say your experience wasn’t valid. I’m pleased that you haven’t been sexually harassed.

However, your posts questioning why some women are, seem to go towards victim blaming. An attitude? Really? What attitude would a woman have that would make a man feel they can say perverted comments or touch them without consent? It is the men’s attitude that is the issue.

Oh, I have seen women touching and being completely inappropriate with unwilling men, often they were drunk to be fair (which is not an excuse). But I wouldn't mention this on MN, it will start an uproar. I can think of a couple of young barmen, who dread hen groups because it gets very unpleasant.

I have. Once. By a woman

I also witnessed women groping and harassing men at work

But now I'll also be called a man or a cool girl or whatever

Because it's MN

Yes, from a Santa infront of my young son, first ever visit as well. He said, "Oh has Mommy been naughty this year, have you been naughty Mommy? I will have to leave something in your stocking." It came across so creepy and disgusting, as he was focused more on me than my child. Luckily, my dc was too young to pick up on anything.
Honestly, men can be so disgusting and inappropriate, they aren't as discreet as they may think.

No need to take that tone, I am not apologising because `i am not a victim of pervs.

I find that attitude rather distasteful, being looked down because I am not inappropriate touched in public by some weirdo!

Yes some men are disgusting, who said they won't.

It doesn't mean my experience is any less valid. Surely it's a good thing that many of us can run alone without being bothered by pervs everywhere we go? Surely it's a good thing I can run wearing a pair of shorts and not much on top and not hide under baggy clothes?

Is that an area? An attitude? Why the difference.

Mumsnet has a lot of pervs, usually found on the sex and relationships board. 🤮

There’s a perv over on another thread wanting to know who shaves and who doesn’t.

Just to add to this, if I run with my partner, son or any other man, I get no comments from men. My partner, son and male friends never get any comments.

All of the women in my life that I know well enough to talk about this with have dealt with multiple incidents since being teenagers, sometimes earlier. I have a teenage daughter and she and her friends are experiencing it too. It’s depressing. There doesn’t seem to be anything they have in common, other than they’re female.

I even had a pervy comment from a man when I was at a funeral a few years back. Some men are just disgusting.

I suppose you’ll have to remained puzzled, or maybe take it up with men.

Yes I've regularly been inappropriately touched in public and at work.

One verbal perversion that really struck me was that at work three professors (medical) arrived to attend a meeting. I politely asked them if I could get them anything to drink. One of them said "yes, something warm and wet" or something along these lines, definitely inunendo and totally inappropriate. I poured them a coffee and didn't comment further. This was within the last 10 years.

I think some just want a reaction from you. Pervs.

Again, I am not denying any of this, but what I find puzzling because it's a common occurence on MN, is that these incidents seem to happen to some women A LOT, and to others never.

I don't get pervy comments when I run, at most I get a good morning/ evening and the only ones who don't move away are women. 99% run out ot the side to let me carry on the path where I am.
I have never heard a creepy comment when shopping.

It's only examples to reply to your post, but I am never dealing with pervy men. I am not complaining, it's just odd the difference.

Spot on.

My teen DD gets catcalled most days, builders on the street, white van guys, she has been followed home twice now. They seem to love a pretty girl in school uniform 😡.

Funnily enough teen DS has never once been harassed by grown women.

This reminds me of an episode of Red Dwarf where the roles are reversed and it is the women who make all the suggestive remarks.

That looked like i was being arsey with @ApplesinmyPocketthen!

I was agreeing with you.

Sure, Jan. 🙄

There is no way you wouls get that from tarot. The Devil reversed may suggest a block regarding sex/"bad" habits but nowhere does tarot mention underwear. What a freak. Sorry you experienced that

There are so many pervy, creepy men around. Almost every time I go for a run alone or with female friends, men make pervy comments. Sometimes even when I’m just doing something like shopping at Tesco, a man finds a way to make some creepy comment. There are loads of pervy men on mumsnet too.

I do have good men in my life, but I think there are more bad than good.

Men are a whole different species to women and the internet has widened the gap immensely.
I barely trust any man (thoughts and potential behaviour) anymore, which is so so sad.
In particular, I feel so sorry for younger women who are growing up knowing no better than a man hurting them during sex (strangling, hair pulling, slapping, spitting) and him only being interested in his own selfish needs and expectations.
I’m not sure that emotions (love and respect) and balanced relationships are even a ‘thing’ anymore for a lot of men.
The amount of men who will happily have sex with their partners knowing their partner doesn’t even want to is just fucking baffling.
So, yes, we’re often just treated as objects.
It’s beyond grim.