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Husband too defensive of SIL

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birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 14:50

DH and I have been married for about 5 years. Since before we were even married, DH seemed strangely close to his brother's wife. At first I thought nothing of this, until I met her. SIL is the ultimate "mean girl." She is in love with herself, brags about everything, especially things she knows she has that I may not, constantly looking for flattery from both her husband and mine, and since the day I met her pretends I am not in the room. She won't speak to me or eye contact but only talks to the men, like she is holding court with how adorable she is. She is very spoiled. She grew up with money and refused to work a day in her life, even before kids. She is an expert at making little comments and jabs at me that the men are completely oblivious to and then sitting with a satisfied smile while I silently stew. They are literally completely oblivious of everything about her.

DH did nothing but sing her praises from before I even met her, and I kept my opinions about her to myself for the first couple years of our marriage, even when visit after visit, she exhibited this nasty behavior. Less than a week after I found out I was pregnant (and having some early complications), DH jumped on a plane to go support SIL when her father died. Since the day I have met him, he calls her family "his family" and it took years before I got him to understand that her family are his brother's in-laws, and even then he was only able to consider this as a possibility when I asked, "Well, does your brother consider my parents to be HIS family?" His brother expects my husband to drop everything when his wife has some new drama good or bad, but I/we have had our own problems (health scares, pet deaths, etc) over the years and we have never looked to the brother for any sort of sympathy or support, nor would he be bothered to offer it. When we had our first child, DH did not get me flowers but a year later, when his brother's wife had their first baby, he sent her flowers to the hospital. I was furious and at this point, I let my feelings be known. It all came out and caused a huge argument. DH absolutely doesn't see my side of this, thinks so highly of his brother's wife, scoffed when I gave examples of nasty things SIL has said, and refused to even consider the validity of my feelings until I finally said that I refused to spend any more time with this woman. That he can see them on his own.

Now his entire family hates me, because of course, SIL was the original wife and I am the one who shunned their little darling. Her husband adores her and clearly, mine does too! She can do NO wrong in their eyes. DH and I have had a strained marriage in general, and it's so upsetting to me that she is Miss Perfect in his eyes while I am the person he argues with. A large part of the source of our arguments is that he has accused me of having such a problem with his family, when I am simply responding to the way I have been treated by them! I have expressed countless times how excited I was to finally get a sister/SIL, only to feel like I was shunned from day one, but DH views it as me vs his family and by his family, he means his brother's wife, too. I just feel like they made me the outcast and my DH has not helped matters.

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nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:18

GarlicPile · 23/05/2025 18:16

I think you've misunderstood what 'projection' is. Posters here are putting themselves in OP's shoes. That's not projection, it's empathy.

Well no, I haven’t misunderstood, because filling in your own details and leaping to conclusions based on few facts is pretty textbook definition.

This is a discussion forum — I offered my advice based on how I read and understood the OP’s various posts. It’s tiresome that you get posters dismissing you and making it personal for no reason other than they disagree. It’s childish.

Lotsofsnacks · 23/05/2025 18:17

Op how can u not say anything to that madam?! I could not stop myself!! Play her at her own game, give her dirty looks first, as the family don’t make an effort with you anyway!! Nothing to lose now.

GarlicPile · 23/05/2025 18:16

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

I think you've misunderstood what 'projection' is. Posters here are putting themselves in OP's shoes. That's not projection, it's empathy.

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:16

CosyLemur · 23/05/2025 17:45

She's a mean girl but here you are slagging off the whole of your DHs family on Mumsnet!

She isn’t slagging them off.

She is describing their behaviour.

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:14

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

Also you keep blaming his family. It’s not his family. It’s him for being pathetic and you for putting up with it

Ilovr · 23/05/2025 18:13

I find it so weird that people are saying OP is jealous. Jealous of what ? This whole thing is just weird. Your husband should be your "cover" OP. If you don't feel covered and supported by your husband then what exactly is his role ? I know how it feels to be around someone who is attention seeking, needy and thrives on drama, while others fail to see it for what it is. Your husband is behaving like a love struck teenager. Sick

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:13

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

I would have left him then.
I am in hospital and worried about a very real miscarriage threat.

He abandons me to go and support his SIL?

He would return to find his bags on the doorstep

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

HerNeighbourTotoro · 23/05/2025 17:11

OP gave quite a few clear examples of it, but even worse, she provided many that her husband does neithe rlove her nor sees her as family despite being her husband.

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

Nominative · 23/05/2025 18:11

She is an expert at making little comments and jabs at me that the men are completely oblivious to and then sitting with a satisfied smile while I silently stew.

There's your answer - stop stewing at things she says. She only does it for the reaction. If you ignore it or laugh it off, she'll stop out of boredom.

ForFunGoose · 23/05/2025 18:11

OP has a scoreboard in her head but nobody else knows the rules of the game.
It’s very childish and unfair to everyone!

SpryCat · 23/05/2025 18:11

You’re an outcast in the family and your H has helped put you there, I would accept the situation and leave him @birdsfeather. You are always going to be second best and your feelings ignored. To stay will make you more and more miserable, you need to plan your exit.

rightinthedavinamccalls · 23/05/2025 18:09

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 17:53

OP doesn't want her in laws to mention these events in her life, it seems. I drove home a 5 hour round trip from a family holiday to attend the funeral of my sister in law's father. It didn't occur to me not to go!

Are you Irish by any chance?

Ooops sorry, just seen your other post saying that you are. Knew it.

EatMoreChocolate44 · 23/05/2025 18:03

I think you need to be super fake. Smile and nod and don't let her know she's annoying you. Life is too short and she's probably loving the division and drama. Your DH needs to dial it back a bit though.

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:03

haveyoouuuuuumetted · 23/05/2025 15:20

But isn’t this what most woman do? Get married to they guy despite all the red flags.

“Most” women?

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:01

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 15:04

Again, I don't find that all that unusual either. I've 3 kids. When they were born we both had more on our plates than thinking of flowers. I have no idea whether my husband sent flowers when his siblings had babies but I wouldn't find it odd or upsetting or a reason for jealousy if he did.

That’s weird.

JHound · 23/05/2025 17:58

Afreshone · 23/05/2025 14:54

Since before we were even married, DH seemed strangely close to his brother's wife.

and you thought… “yep, this is the man I want to marry and spend my life with”

I mean Op, you knew about this before you married. A little odd to crack on nonetheless

This.

OP you should have binned this one ages ago.

You still can.

Duvetsse · 23/05/2025 17:57

OP, kindly meant but what responsibility are you taking for knowing from the beginning that your husband has a very strange unnatural enmeshed relationship with his brother and SIL?

You chose to have children.
You chose to bring children into this absolutely toxic environment.

You are a willing scapegoat for his family.
You need to own it.

Having children with him was so wrong when you knew this.

It will never change.
I feel so sorry for you.

If you had a scrap of self-esteem or respect for yourself, you would have walked away years ago.

You certainly wouldn't have had more children with a man who would abandon you in hospital to go to his SIL's fathers funeral.

Batshit.

rainingsnoring · 23/05/2025 17:56

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 17:53

OP doesn't want her in laws to mention these events in her life, it seems. I drove home a 5 hour round trip from a family holiday to attend the funeral of my sister in law's father. It didn't occur to me not to go!

That's up to you if you were very close to them but it's hardly the same as leaving your DW bleeding in hospital and likely to miscarry. Would you bugger off on a plane, leaving your sick partner to miscarry your child as well?

LurkyMcLurkinson · 23/05/2025 17:53

You’ve pointed out the inequality in his treatment of you and her and he still doesn’t accept it. In that basis he’ll never change and he’ll never prioritise you. You need to ask yourself if you’re willing to continue being second best for the rest of your life.

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 17:53

Spacehop · 23/05/2025 17:02

Would your sister drop everything in her and her DH's life if your DH lost his dad and fly to see him? Would your parents ring to update your DSis about events in your DH's life but ignore similar events in your BiL's? Would your sister hang on your DH's every word and ignore her own DH? If so your dynamic is similarly weird.

OP doesn't want her in laws to mention these events in her life, it seems. I drove home a 5 hour round trip from a family holiday to attend the funeral of my sister in law's father. It didn't occur to me not to go!

rainingsnoring · 23/05/2025 17:51

CosyLemur · 23/05/2025 17:45

She's a mean girl but here you are slagging off the whole of your DHs family on Mumsnet!

Are you serious? The OP is desperate for some support and reassurance because she receives none from her own DH. That's not mean, it's sad.

OnlyHasEyesForLoki · 23/05/2025 17:50

I experienced this with my ex husband, except it was his married first cousin. They were only a month apart in age and grown up together and his mother and her mother were sisters. He glorified her as did his mother. Turned out he’d been shagging her when we met and this carried on for months until he asked her to leave her husband and she wouldn’t. So he married me. He even suggested her as a godmother when I was pregnant. He stupidly gave me an old phone to use while on maternity leave and there were all the texts confirming it and when I confronted him they were still sexting and bitching about their partners.

We went to couples counselling and he insisted she was “family” and came first and he could do what he liked. Turned out his parents knew and his mother wanted him to leave me for her to “keep it in the family”.

i just don’t feel you can fight against this kind of thinking. I’m not saying your husband has had an affair with SIL but to them she is “family” and you are not. They will never see it. He chooses you and the DCs or loses you. Sadly I think he’ll choose her AKA “family”.

Feelindown · 23/05/2025 17:49

MsCactus · 23/05/2025 17:47

😮 This is absolutely horrific behaviour. Please PLEASE show your DH this thread so he can see how awful his behaviour is.

Imagine leaving your wife potentially miscarrying - a traumatic life event for anyone and a medical emergency in some cases - to go to your brother's FIL funeral. That's just awful, what a horrible person he is.

The more you post, I think you honestly just need to call time on the relationship. He's not a kind or good person and he's very unlikely to change.

Please don't show your DH this thread, Op. Keep it as your safe space.

Feelindown · 23/05/2025 17:48

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 15:06

Yes, the brother is a big problem because since the very beginning, the brother has been constantly calling my husband over anything going in their lives, expecting DH to prioritize his wife because this was the dynamic since the day he started dating her. I told DH, it's like the entire family has failed to accept that you have your OWN wife now!

No. Your DH is the big problem.

MsCactus · 23/05/2025 17:47

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

😮 This is absolutely horrific behaviour. Please PLEASE show your DH this thread so he can see how awful his behaviour is.

Imagine leaving your wife potentially miscarrying - a traumatic life event for anyone and a medical emergency in some cases - to go to your brother's FIL funeral. That's just awful, what a horrible person he is.

The more you post, I think you honestly just need to call time on the relationship. He's not a kind or good person and he's very unlikely to change.

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