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Husband too defensive of SIL

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birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 14:50

DH and I have been married for about 5 years. Since before we were even married, DH seemed strangely close to his brother's wife. At first I thought nothing of this, until I met her. SIL is the ultimate "mean girl." She is in love with herself, brags about everything, especially things she knows she has that I may not, constantly looking for flattery from both her husband and mine, and since the day I met her pretends I am not in the room. She won't speak to me or eye contact but only talks to the men, like she is holding court with how adorable she is. She is very spoiled. She grew up with money and refused to work a day in her life, even before kids. She is an expert at making little comments and jabs at me that the men are completely oblivious to and then sitting with a satisfied smile while I silently stew. They are literally completely oblivious of everything about her.

DH did nothing but sing her praises from before I even met her, and I kept my opinions about her to myself for the first couple years of our marriage, even when visit after visit, she exhibited this nasty behavior. Less than a week after I found out I was pregnant (and having some early complications), DH jumped on a plane to go support SIL when her father died. Since the day I have met him, he calls her family "his family" and it took years before I got him to understand that her family are his brother's in-laws, and even then he was only able to consider this as a possibility when I asked, "Well, does your brother consider my parents to be HIS family?" His brother expects my husband to drop everything when his wife has some new drama good or bad, but I/we have had our own problems (health scares, pet deaths, etc) over the years and we have never looked to the brother for any sort of sympathy or support, nor would he be bothered to offer it. When we had our first child, DH did not get me flowers but a year later, when his brother's wife had their first baby, he sent her flowers to the hospital. I was furious and at this point, I let my feelings be known. It all came out and caused a huge argument. DH absolutely doesn't see my side of this, thinks so highly of his brother's wife, scoffed when I gave examples of nasty things SIL has said, and refused to even consider the validity of my feelings until I finally said that I refused to spend any more time with this woman. That he can see them on his own.

Now his entire family hates me, because of course, SIL was the original wife and I am the one who shunned their little darling. Her husband adores her and clearly, mine does too! She can do NO wrong in their eyes. DH and I have had a strained marriage in general, and it's so upsetting to me that she is Miss Perfect in his eyes while I am the person he argues with. A large part of the source of our arguments is that he has accused me of having such a problem with his family, when I am simply responding to the way I have been treated by them! I have expressed countless times how excited I was to finally get a sister/SIL, only to feel like I was shunned from day one, but DH views it as me vs his family and by his family, he means his brother's wife, too. I just feel like they made me the outcast and my DH has not helped matters.

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ELMhouse · 23/05/2025 18:49

I think the crux of this seems to be he is ‘afraid’ of repercussions of his family, I imagine this has been so drilled into him over the years he probably (and likely) doesn’t recognise it.
this BTW is not an excuse, he has DC of his own now and a wife of his own/his own family, you and DC should always be a priority. No excuses.
just have a think of how this may affect your DC in future and the expectations that may be put on them from DH family.

also just an end note to the pp going on about flowers - you do know it takes 5 mins or order flowers online to be delivered (odd that you assume DH would have to pop out for them 😂).
my DH sent me flowers after all 3 of our DC it’s a lovely gesture of love and gratitude (doesn’t have to be flowers either but most people do appreciate the gesture)

HerNeighbourTotoro · 23/05/2025 18:45

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

OP's SIL, that you?
Please, please do not the shittiest argument telling people they 'project' when it's very lcear to anyone who has eyes the husband does not have OP's corner, does not respect her, gaslights her and puts everybody's needs above her.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/05/2025 18:45

Do you think this is ever going to improve, @birdsfeather? I’m afraid that I don’t - at best your dh is seriously enmeshed with his SIL and her family, and at worst he is in love with her. He is not going to change this because he sees nothing wrong with this (uber-weird) situation, and he doesn’t want to change. So you have two choices - carry on putting up with being an extra in your own marriage, with your SIL centre stage, or leave.

Exasperated24 · 23/05/2025 18:44

OP, why did you marry him?

Did you think he’d change after marriage?

This situation is so insane to me because I would NEVER have stayed with him in the first place after realising how in love he is with somebody else.

My heart goes out to you, but I just can’t get my head around why on earth you married him.

crankycurmudgeon · 23/05/2025 18:44

GarlicPile · 23/05/2025 17:25

You can't force someone to love you, @birdsfeather. Painfully, this is where you're at: your husband's in love with someone else. On top of that, he's enmeshed with his mother - who also loves this someone else more than you.

I keep deleting suggestions of snarky little games you could play, because they would ultimately be pointless. (You might want to start referring to DH, SIL & BIL as "The Throuple" anyway, just for the hell of it.) Your only real choices are to divorce or accept a role as Number Two.

How are you fixed financially?

'The Throuple' 💀

cadburyegg · 23/05/2025 18:44

Goodness me. You’ve even told him you believe him to be in love with her. Many times. It’s been 5+ years, it’s not going to get better.

You do know that one of the perks of divorce is never having to see your in laws again, right?

steff13 · 23/05/2025 18:43

ioveelephants · 23/05/2025 16:08

I think you sound jealous. My family see my husband as family we’ve been together a long time and if my sisters new husband started slagging him off im sure she would stick up for my husband aswell. You’re basically saying you hate her because your husband likes her. 😂

I think jealousy is a natural emotion to experience when your spouse clearly prefers another woman to you. 🤷‍♀️

CelestialGazer · 23/05/2025 18:40

Why are you still with him?

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 18:40

ParsnipPuree · 23/05/2025 18:38

He bought flowers for his sil but not his own wife? The situation is demeaning and degrading for you and you really need to leave.

I find this view absolutely bonkers! Buying flowers for a relative who had a baby is perfectly normal. Not buying your wife flowers when she had a baby is perfectly normal. I'd have found it a bit weird if my husband had left us to go and buy bloody flowers! I'd have thought he wanted an excuse out to get some peace and quiet!

ParsnipPuree · 23/05/2025 18:38

He bought flowers for his sil but not his own wife? The situation is demeaning and degrading for you and you really need to leave.

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 18:37

rainingsnoring · 23/05/2025 17:56

That's up to you if you were very close to them but it's hardly the same as leaving your DW bleeding in hospital and likely to miscarry. Would you bugger off on a plane, leaving your sick partner to miscarry your child as well?

Would the husband even have been allowed to tell his family why he couldn't attend the funeral? Where does it say he left OP in hospital?

MarkingBad · 23/05/2025 18:35

thepariscrimefiles · 23/05/2025 18:23

So you don't think that this is evidence of his lack of love and care for his own pregnant wife?

'To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.'

I'm not the PP you're quoting but I think it was this bit that stuck out for me

There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

I think that's the crux, he is so used to toeing the line, he doesn't even recognise he's doing it. I don't think it's love for the SIL I think it's fear of his own family disowning him.

Either way does not excuse his behaviour but I don't agree he is in love with SIL as some PP are suggesting, I think it's to do with abandonment fears.

JanetareyouokareyouokJanet · 23/05/2025 18:35

Please don’t live your life in the shade of a complete bitch and her fan club. You’re worth more than that.

survivalinsufficient · 23/05/2025 18:31

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 16:55

It's an immediate family member of his brothers family. Maybe it's an Irish thing but I don't find it odd at all. Depends on the severity of the complications though, although I have the sense if it was serious it would have been mentioned in a bit more detail.

Irish too and I completely agree!

1HappyTraveller · 23/05/2025 18:30

ShortColdandGrey · 23/05/2025 18:22

SIL has joined the chat 😂 She isn't slagging them off she is giving examples of their behaviour and they all sound awful.

“SIL has joined the chat…”

😂😂😂😂😂

thepariscrimefiles · 23/05/2025 18:30

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:21

I’m not sure we’ve had the full story from OP, tbh. That update was made after I posted, but it sure feels like a drip feed.

The fact is, relationships are messy and complicated, and people are imperfect. My first thought reading that would be, was her husband terrified of a miscarriage and engaging in avoidant behaviour? I don’t see that this is some smoking gun that he is in love with his SIL. But perhaps the OP has other bombs to post.

So OP provides further evidence of her husband's lack of care for her and his unborn baby and of him putting his brother and his wife first and you just dismiss it as a 'drip feed' and you question the veracity of OP's account.

RockOrAHardplace · 23/05/2025 18:30

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

So it wasn't that her Father had died that he went running, it was because of the funeral. Now that I can understand, wanting to attend the funeral except, he was leaving his newly pregnant wife at home to potentially miscarry and he and his family thought that was acceptable? That takes things to a whole new level.

Your husbands priorities are all wrong and and he is the problem, not his family. He is making you a 2nd class citizen with double standards. He prioritises his SIL over the wellbeing of you and HIS child. I would REALLY struggle with that .

Assuming his family knew of your situation, they should have told him his place was with you and if they didn't, then it shows your place in the pecking order and its not good.

You need to sit him down and tell him how it makes you feel and suggest counselling as it does sound that this is not the only problem in your relationship. Give him time to think it over and if he won't, then walk away. Sorry, that is easier said than done but his priorities are wrong.

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:27

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:21

I’m not sure we’ve had the full story from OP, tbh. That update was made after I posted, but it sure feels like a drip feed.

The fact is, relationships are messy and complicated, and people are imperfect. My first thought reading that would be, was her husband terrified of a miscarriage and engaging in avoidant behaviour? I don’t see that this is some smoking gun that he is in love with his SIL. But perhaps the OP has other bombs to post.

So you are accusing others of “projecting” to fill in the gaps while you dismiss anything OP says that does not correspond to the narrative you want?

Sounds a little hypocritical.

You seem especially keen to exonerate the DH and criticise OP other MNetters.

Why?

thepariscrimefiles · 23/05/2025 18:23

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

So you don't think that this is evidence of his lack of love and care for his own pregnant wife?

'To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.'

ShortColdandGrey · 23/05/2025 18:22

CosyLemur · 23/05/2025 17:45

She's a mean girl but here you are slagging off the whole of your DHs family on Mumsnet!

SIL has joined the chat 😂 She isn't slagging them off she is giving examples of their behaviour and they all sound awful.

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:21

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:19

So abandoning your wife, the same week she has been in hospital with pregnancy complications and told to fear miscarriage is what exactly?

I’m not sure we’ve had the full story from OP, tbh. That update was made after I posted, but it sure feels like a drip feed.

The fact is, relationships are messy and complicated, and people are imperfect. My first thought reading that would be, was her husband terrified of a miscarriage and engaging in avoidant behaviour? I don’t see that this is some smoking gun that he is in love with his SIL. But perhaps the OP has other bombs to post.

1HappyTraveller · 23/05/2025 18:21

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 17:24

To clarify, I had been in hospital twice in the week I had found out about my pregnancy and doctors were telling me to expect a miscarriage "at any moment." He got on a plane to attend his brother's wife's father's funeral. There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

There is no cultural dynamic here. I agree that DH must take action for himself, but his entire family has put enormous pressure on him to constantly orbit the brother and SIL's world and it's like they cannot adjust to DH now having his own family. BIL made it extremely clear that DH was not just needed there, but EXPECTED, and that him not showing up would be unforgiveable.

We were also expected to leave our 2 month old baby at home for a weekend to attend the SIL's brother's child-free wedding out of town. DH couldn't understand that we had an infant, etc, because his entire family puts these expectations on him. Again, this wasn't for his family, but for his brother's in-laws.

The relationship with DH and his brother is very one-sided but DH is extremely protective of his brother. When BIL and SIL lost a pet, we sent a card and DH called. When our dog died, not a word. Everything is about BIL and SIL.

I really looked forward to having a relationship with SIL, especially since DH spoke so highly of her. But from the beginning she made it clear how she felt about me. She didn't even bother to come to my hen night. They were in town so the guys could go out the same weekend and SIL chose to sit in the hotel by herself saying she was tired. I didn't make a fuss and DH and BIL didn't care. I suspect if the situation were reversed, the entire family would be thinking the worst of me. My BIL certainly would have been outraged.

He went to the funeral whilst you were in hospital twice with a threatened miscarriage? Have I read that correctly? If so he is either selfish or spineless (or both?) and I’m so sorry. I cannot believe that he left you in hospital for that becaue he didn’t want sh*t from his family. Any normal family would tell him to stay and support you! You were in hospital FFS. With HIS BABY!!!!! 🤬

I have read through all your replies.

Your DH is in love with his SIL.
Your SIL likes the attentions she also sees you as a threat.

Tbh you need to ask yourself if you can be happy living the rest of your life being second place to this person? You will never come first. Your DH seemingly doesn’t want to do anything about it and is happy with the status quo. Are you sure you want to stay married to a man who refuses to see things from your point of view and doesn’t back you? You’re meant to be a team. He seems to prefer third-wheeling with his brother and your SIL.

Your MIL is a facilitator of all of this.

The family dynamics are f*cking weird!!!

BagelandEggs · 23/05/2025 18:20

It sounds like it's a weird competitive dynamic between the brothers which started before your husband met you and the brother and wife seem to enjoy! Does your husband's family worship her because she comes from a rich family and they are snobbish about it? It's like when you have a friend who always has to have all the attention and is competitive with you because she's incredibly insecure and all the blokes still think she's amazing because she flirts with them! I would either leave the whole lot of them or be the mature person who stays out of it and just laughs at their ridiculous shenanigans!

JHound · 23/05/2025 18:19

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 18:12

I read all her posts and saw no evidence for it. Lots of projection in this thread as usual from the LTB brigade!

So abandoning your wife, the same week she has been in hospital with pregnancy complications and told to fear miscarriage is what exactly?

Wednesdayisme · 23/05/2025 18:19

I'll echo other posters it sounds like he's in love with her.
It's not normal to put a sil above his own wife. His family also sound really weird there's close then there is obsessed ,you need to have a think if you want this life it'll only get worse.