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Husband too defensive of SIL

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birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 14:50

DH and I have been married for about 5 years. Since before we were even married, DH seemed strangely close to his brother's wife. At first I thought nothing of this, until I met her. SIL is the ultimate "mean girl." She is in love with herself, brags about everything, especially things she knows she has that I may not, constantly looking for flattery from both her husband and mine, and since the day I met her pretends I am not in the room. She won't speak to me or eye contact but only talks to the men, like she is holding court with how adorable she is. She is very spoiled. She grew up with money and refused to work a day in her life, even before kids. She is an expert at making little comments and jabs at me that the men are completely oblivious to and then sitting with a satisfied smile while I silently stew. They are literally completely oblivious of everything about her.

DH did nothing but sing her praises from before I even met her, and I kept my opinions about her to myself for the first couple years of our marriage, even when visit after visit, she exhibited this nasty behavior. Less than a week after I found out I was pregnant (and having some early complications), DH jumped on a plane to go support SIL when her father died. Since the day I have met him, he calls her family "his family" and it took years before I got him to understand that her family are his brother's in-laws, and even then he was only able to consider this as a possibility when I asked, "Well, does your brother consider my parents to be HIS family?" His brother expects my husband to drop everything when his wife has some new drama good or bad, but I/we have had our own problems (health scares, pet deaths, etc) over the years and we have never looked to the brother for any sort of sympathy or support, nor would he be bothered to offer it. When we had our first child, DH did not get me flowers but a year later, when his brother's wife had their first baby, he sent her flowers to the hospital. I was furious and at this point, I let my feelings be known. It all came out and caused a huge argument. DH absolutely doesn't see my side of this, thinks so highly of his brother's wife, scoffed when I gave examples of nasty things SIL has said, and refused to even consider the validity of my feelings until I finally said that I refused to spend any more time with this woman. That he can see them on his own.

Now his entire family hates me, because of course, SIL was the original wife and I am the one who shunned their little darling. Her husband adores her and clearly, mine does too! She can do NO wrong in their eyes. DH and I have had a strained marriage in general, and it's so upsetting to me that she is Miss Perfect in his eyes while I am the person he argues with. A large part of the source of our arguments is that he has accused me of having such a problem with his family, when I am simply responding to the way I have been treated by them! I have expressed countless times how excited I was to finally get a sister/SIL, only to feel like I was shunned from day one, but DH views it as me vs his family and by his family, he means his brother's wife, too. I just feel like they made me the outcast and my DH has not helped matters.

OP posts:
Weenurse · 25/05/2025 06:43

The sad thing is that nothing will change .
You can’t change his family, only your response to what is happening.
Time for a long, hard think about things and what you actually have control over.
Good luck

HerNeighbourTotoro · 25/05/2025 06:26

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 20:37

I bet the SIL is stunning, and that's part of her "crime". That, and coming from a wealthy family apparently.

Another SiL? I bet if you hd to spend a lot of time around an obnoxious, attention seeking person who brags about what she has that you dont and tries to make you feel inferior, you would hate it too, unless it is you. It's not about looks or money in themselves.

HerNeighbourTotoro · 25/05/2025 06:22

Tbrh · 25/05/2025 05:58

Well often you go to show your support ... so he was probably there to support his SIL and brother. Finding it really weird people would find this unusual!

The unusual thing is he does nto have time to support his own wife.

Tbrh · 25/05/2025 05:58

Iceboy80 · 25/05/2025 00:59

Surly that's what his brothers there for as that's his brothers wife, or am I wrong?

Well often you go to show your support ... so he was probably there to support his SIL and brother. Finding it really weird people would find this unusual!

Cariadm · 25/05/2025 04:49

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 14:58

I don't find it at all unusual for a brother in law to go to support his brothers family when his wife's parent dies or send flowers when they have a baby. That these are the most concrete example you've given of unreasonableness makes me wonder whether you're not a bit unreasonable.

I don't think you can have read much of the thread or you would have a better idea of how one sided the relationship between the families is...
You are right of course about the flowers etc but it's a one way thing with them not returning the thoughtfulness and kindnesses expected of her DH and the OP! 🙄

AyeDeadOn · 25/05/2025 03:36

Iceboy80 · 25/05/2025 00:59

Surly that's what his brothers there for as that's his brothers wife, or am I wrong?

I'd imagine he was there too. Is there usually a strict cap on numbers at English funerals?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 25/05/2025 01:58

@birdsfeather

in no particular order:

  • you knew this weird dynamic before you married your husband
  • I feel as though this all has been exaggerated
  • if true your husband is hanging around like a drooling schoolboy
  • why are are you expecting anyone to change
  • You seem fixated on her… who cares if she didn’t attend your hen night. Get over it

and most importantly focus on the real issue… your husband.

Dangermoo · 25/05/2025 01:32

LittleJoeyJoJo · 24/05/2025 21:46

I’d have some fun with her. If she makes a dig, ask (with a blank/confused face) what she means. Make her feel uncomfortable. Or ask her to repeat it a couple of times and respond ‘oh’ and move on. Or act SUPER sickly sweet around her, if possible. She won’t know how to act, but will likely know it’s false (whereas others likely won’t).

When she brags about what she has spent, tell her you’ve heard that brands craftsmanship isn’t what it used to be. Or if she says how expensive something is, say ‘How much? And when she answers, say ‘really, for that’? Or say you saw one in the charity shop window/saw similar in Lidl/my Nan has that item/brand.

If something comes up like bragging over an easy birth, totally ignore it and or say ‘that’s nice for you’ and carry on.

Id be extra touchy feely with my husband around her, whisper things in his ear, kisses etc, anything to distract him. Especially when she’s trying to get his attention.

Birthday cards etc send the ugliest card and the worst flowers 🤣

Mean girls want the attention and will squash anyone to get it. Don’t let her win, have some fun

😂brilliant 😅

Iceboy80 · 25/05/2025 00:59

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 14:58

I don't find it at all unusual for a brother in law to go to support his brothers family when his wife's parent dies or send flowers when they have a baby. That these are the most concrete example you've given of unreasonableness makes me wonder whether you're not a bit unreasonable.

Surly that's what his brothers there for as that's his brothers wife, or am I wrong?

Pessismistic · 24/05/2025 22:15

Your dh is horrible and a waste of space do you really want to be 2nd best to his sil. She is family yes but they have a really weird connection no one likes you so why bother with them his sil is a toxic bitch. I really could not spend any of my precious time with someone like that. If your going to stay with him you need to go no contact with all his family but if I was in your shoes I would get out while you can and find someone who loves and respects you he certainly doesn’t.

LittleJoeyJoJo · 24/05/2025 21:46

I’d have some fun with her. If she makes a dig, ask (with a blank/confused face) what she means. Make her feel uncomfortable. Or ask her to repeat it a couple of times and respond ‘oh’ and move on. Or act SUPER sickly sweet around her, if possible. She won’t know how to act, but will likely know it’s false (whereas others likely won’t).

When she brags about what she has spent, tell her you’ve heard that brands craftsmanship isn’t what it used to be. Or if she says how expensive something is, say ‘How much? And when she answers, say ‘really, for that’? Or say you saw one in the charity shop window/saw similar in Lidl/my Nan has that item/brand.

If something comes up like bragging over an easy birth, totally ignore it and or say ‘that’s nice for you’ and carry on.

Id be extra touchy feely with my husband around her, whisper things in his ear, kisses etc, anything to distract him. Especially when she’s trying to get his attention.

Birthday cards etc send the ugliest card and the worst flowers 🤣

Mean girls want the attention and will squash anyone to get it. Don’t let her win, have some fun

cavalier · 24/05/2025 21:27

Red flag. Not acceptable and you need to have a proper heart to heart with him
overstepping boundaries and your resentment will only fester if you don’t confront and sort this
i hope you have lots of support

AyeDeadOn · 24/05/2025 20:40

YourFunnyTiger · 24/05/2025 20:36

Looks like the SIL is here 🙄

Please grow up. It's possible for people to have different perspectives from you, different opinions, be influenced by different cultures, without having a dodgy motivation.

thepariscrimefiles · 24/05/2025 20:40

AyeDeadOn · 24/05/2025 20:30

I'd want to be there for my brother when an immediate member of his family passed away. I'd want my husband to be there for his sibling when an immediate member of his siblings family passed away.

So even if you were in hospital having a miscarriage, you would want your husband to leave you and travel by plane to attend the funeral of his brother's father in law? I don't believe anyone would be happy with that.

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 20:37

AyeDeadOn · 24/05/2025 20:35

It's all very vague. The concrete examples of SILs crimes are that OPs husband bought flowers when she had a baby, MIL talked about her pregnancy and husband went to her father's funeral. I think OP wants distant boundaries with her husband's family but is then pissed off that SIL has a closer family relationship with them.

I bet the SIL is stunning, and that's part of her "crime". That, and coming from a wealthy family apparently.

YourFunnyTiger · 24/05/2025 20:36

AyeDeadOn · 24/05/2025 20:35

It's all very vague. The concrete examples of SILs crimes are that OPs husband bought flowers when she had a baby, MIL talked about her pregnancy and husband went to her father's funeral. I think OP wants distant boundaries with her husband's family but is then pissed off that SIL has a closer family relationship with them.

Looks like the SIL is here 🙄

AyeDeadOn · 24/05/2025 20:35

carchi · 24/05/2025 19:37

Maybe you missed the part where OP stated that SIL was mean to her from the beginning. Making her feel uncomfortable and generally ignoring her but happy to get all the attention from the men. He should treat his wife with the same respect that he treats his SIL but it's obvious that he's not doing that.

It's all very vague. The concrete examples of SILs crimes are that OPs husband bought flowers when she had a baby, MIL talked about her pregnancy and husband went to her father's funeral. I think OP wants distant boundaries with her husband's family but is then pissed off that SIL has a closer family relationship with them.

AyeDeadOn · 24/05/2025 20:30

rainingsnoring · 23/05/2025 16:50

It isn't an immediate family member though is it. It's his brother's father in law. Immediate is first degree.

I'd want to be there for my brother when an immediate member of his family passed away. I'd want my husband to be there for his sibling when an immediate member of his siblings family passed away.

YourFunnyTiger · 24/05/2025 20:21

LTB he is inlove with her. There is no point, find someone who adores you, OP. You won't win this fight sadly. What a nasty bitch she is.

Bunny65 · 24/05/2025 19:51

Maybe you should show DH this thread. He sounds totally oblivious.

Buffs · 24/05/2025 19:41

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 15:47

DH seems to simply think of his brother's wife as his family, period. BIL and SIL were together for over 10 years while DH was the single guy, and there are no sisters. She can do no wrong in his eyes and he seems stunned and angered that I came along and announced that I don't like her because the three of them got on great and of course, SIL is the darling of MIL/FIL.

DH did finally speak up one time. When his brother's wife got pregnant again, MIL again started calling with updates and DH told his mother that he didn't need updates on his SIL's pregnancy because this was a private matter between her and his brother. Apparently, MIL was very put out and not happy. Again, I'm the bad guy.

The MIL sounds complicit and weird. Maybe the problem stems from her?

Cherrysoup · 24/05/2025 19:38

Not sure I’d be tolerating that, way too much drama from mean girl sil. What do you want to do, OP? I doubt your Dh is going to change his dynamic, he’s too enmeshed.

carchi · 24/05/2025 19:37

AyeDeadOn · 23/05/2025 14:58

I don't find it at all unusual for a brother in law to go to support his brothers family when his wife's parent dies or send flowers when they have a baby. That these are the most concrete example you've given of unreasonableness makes me wonder whether you're not a bit unreasonable.

Maybe you missed the part where OP stated that SIL was mean to her from the beginning. Making her feel uncomfortable and generally ignoring her but happy to get all the attention from the men. He should treat his wife with the same respect that he treats his SIL but it's obvious that he's not doing that.

Jumpers4goalposts · 24/05/2025 19:25

How old was your DH when BIL and SIL first met?

rainingsnoring · 24/05/2025 19:16

It partly depends on the way things are said, the intonation, body language, etc. From what the OP says, the SIL's whole behaviour towards her is unpleasant.
However, let's assume that your suspicions are correct and that @birdsfeather has simply misinterpreted the tone of her SIL's remarks for years. At the very least, the SIL is highly insensitive and socially inept. Who deliberately lists all their expensive purchases to someone who is struggling financially or tells a person who is having a complicated pregnancy how easy theirs was unless directly asked? Those aren't things that a kind and empathic person would say. She also sounds obsessed with money which isn't pleasant either.