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Husband too defensive of SIL

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birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 14:50

DH and I have been married for about 5 years. Since before we were even married, DH seemed strangely close to his brother's wife. At first I thought nothing of this, until I met her. SIL is the ultimate "mean girl." She is in love with herself, brags about everything, especially things she knows she has that I may not, constantly looking for flattery from both her husband and mine, and since the day I met her pretends I am not in the room. She won't speak to me or eye contact but only talks to the men, like she is holding court with how adorable she is. She is very spoiled. She grew up with money and refused to work a day in her life, even before kids. She is an expert at making little comments and jabs at me that the men are completely oblivious to and then sitting with a satisfied smile while I silently stew. They are literally completely oblivious of everything about her.

DH did nothing but sing her praises from before I even met her, and I kept my opinions about her to myself for the first couple years of our marriage, even when visit after visit, she exhibited this nasty behavior. Less than a week after I found out I was pregnant (and having some early complications), DH jumped on a plane to go support SIL when her father died. Since the day I have met him, he calls her family "his family" and it took years before I got him to understand that her family are his brother's in-laws, and even then he was only able to consider this as a possibility when I asked, "Well, does your brother consider my parents to be HIS family?" His brother expects my husband to drop everything when his wife has some new drama good or bad, but I/we have had our own problems (health scares, pet deaths, etc) over the years and we have never looked to the brother for any sort of sympathy or support, nor would he be bothered to offer it. When we had our first child, DH did not get me flowers but a year later, when his brother's wife had their first baby, he sent her flowers to the hospital. I was furious and at this point, I let my feelings be known. It all came out and caused a huge argument. DH absolutely doesn't see my side of this, thinks so highly of his brother's wife, scoffed when I gave examples of nasty things SIL has said, and refused to even consider the validity of my feelings until I finally said that I refused to spend any more time with this woman. That he can see them on his own.

Now his entire family hates me, because of course, SIL was the original wife and I am the one who shunned their little darling. Her husband adores her and clearly, mine does too! She can do NO wrong in their eyes. DH and I have had a strained marriage in general, and it's so upsetting to me that she is Miss Perfect in his eyes while I am the person he argues with. A large part of the source of our arguments is that he has accused me of having such a problem with his family, when I am simply responding to the way I have been treated by them! I have expressed countless times how excited I was to finally get a sister/SIL, only to feel like I was shunned from day one, but DH views it as me vs his family and by his family, he means his brother's wife, too. I just feel like they made me the outcast and my DH has not helped matters.

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Braygirlnow · 31/05/2025 09:40

nonmerci99 · 23/05/2025 15:54

Hmm. It sounds like your DH has known his SIL for a long time and loves her like family. Without some better examples, I’m not seeing evidence that he’s in love with her.

I think you are well within your rights to not want to see her or spend time with her, and I think it’s fair to tell your DH this. What I’m not sensing from your posts is if you are actually in love with your own DH yourself? Do you want to be with him? If you do, I think you’ll need to accept that she is his family… and unless she’s done something unforgivable to you, I can’t see how you can force him to shun her. Personally I think that would be pretty messed up on your part.

I must say I agree with nonmerci99 on this, it sounds more like you and SIL just don't get on, it could be that she does all these deliberate things like dirty looks or not talking to you and boasting about things....your examples aren't really so bad that I'd want to cause a rift, if all the family get on well with her for years before you came along, then it does sound to me like you're being jealous of the sister inlaw because she is out going and yeah, probably likes the sound of her own voice. If you want your marridge to work try and get over your jealousy and see her annoying boosting/self promoting chatter as "that's just sil 's way" don't let it get to you. You also say she never talks to you, but with the huge vibe of jealousy that you're giving off its hardly surprising. You can do one of 2 things, 1...try and reconnect with the family be part of things stop talking negative about sil to your dh. Stop worrying about her so much and focus on your relationship with dh and family as a whole, because it sounds like you will distance yourself more and more which will not end well.
2....Divorce.

MsDogLady · 26/05/2025 03:57

@birdsfeather, you’ve had a lot of concerned feedback about your situation. What are you thinking about it all now?

rainingsnoring · 25/05/2025 21:43

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 21:14

others have decided that the SIL is a bitch.

I didn't say the OP is a liar, I do believe her to have made a scene because her husband sent flowers, which I don't think is reasonable, and she hates her SIL. Not the most impartial point of view about the SIL, that's all.

I would love to know the other side of the story.

I do find it funny to see posters falling over themselves to bitch about a SIL they know nothing about, it's not the OP I am making fun of

Whether SIL is a bitch or not, no one can be 100% certain, although it appears likely. What is pretty clear, as I said in a previous post, is that she is insensitive, self obsessed and socially inept at the very least.
However, that's a separate point to the one I made above. You implied that the OP's posts were inaccurate above on the basis of her MIL apparently not noticing the SIL's unpleasantness towards her. I was trying to explain that this is irrelevant if the family is as dysfunctional as described as they would have no insight into their disordered behaviour not interest in changing it.
Your interpretation of the OP because 'her husband sent flowers' is so wide of the mark. I think you need to read what is written rather than making things up!

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 21:14

others have decided that the SIL is a bitch.

I didn't say the OP is a liar, I do believe her to have made a scene because her husband sent flowers, which I don't think is reasonable, and she hates her SIL. Not the most impartial point of view about the SIL, that's all.

I would love to know the other side of the story.

I do find it funny to see posters falling over themselves to bitch about a SIL they know nothing about, it's not the OP I am making fun of

rainingsnoring · 25/05/2025 20:44

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 19:51

SIL "only talks to the men" and your DH doesn't notice.

what's interesting is that apparently MIL doesn't notice either. Which is why I am taking the OP with a massive pinch of salt.

What is more interesting is that you don't appear to grasp that some families have extremely unhealthy dynamics where they don't all behave kindly and reasonably towards each other. On the basis of this ignorance, you have then decided that the OP is a liar.

SmugglersHaunt · 25/05/2025 20:40

They all sound vile and your husband (sorry) sounds like a pathetic child. I’d be asking if he is attempting a career change into proctology as he seems to be attempting to disappear up his brother and SIL’s fundaments.

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 19:51

SIL "only talks to the men" and your DH doesn't notice.

what's interesting is that apparently MIL doesn't notice either. Which is why I am taking the OP with a massive pinch of salt.

Dangermoo · 25/05/2025 19:32

Missingpop · 25/05/2025 19:04

Why the fecking hell are you still with the dithering whelp; god if my husband behaved like that with one of his trog-in-laws I’d kick him to the kerb so hard he’d be bouncing for a whole month!!
Don’t put up with this 💩he’s sucking up after some poisonous butch who knows he fancies the pants off her but knows she’s off limits because she’s his bro’s misses although given the chance he’d be right in there you deserve better much much better

😆 🤣 😂

Missingpop · 25/05/2025 19:04

Why the fecking hell are you still with the dithering whelp; god if my husband behaved like that with one of his trog-in-laws I’d kick him to the kerb so hard he’d be bouncing for a whole month!!
Don’t put up with this 💩he’s sucking up after some poisonous butch who knows he fancies the pants off her but knows she’s off limits because she’s his bro’s misses although given the chance he’d be right in there you deserve better much much better

Schoolchoicesucks · 25/05/2025 18:28

SIL "only talks to the men" and your DH doesn't notice. Who do you talk to when you are together? You have DC of similar ages - how does she treat your DC and how do you treat hers?

It must have been a tricky dynamic to join - with the "golden wife" firmly established and adored by everyone. But I do wonder if you have made this a bigger thing in your eyes than it has been in everyone else's.

If you try and start conversations with her, what happens?

WhereIsMyJumper · 25/05/2025 17:19

No real advice OP but just wanted to say I have met women like your SIL and they know EXACTLY what they’re doing. A friend of an ex of mine was like this. Overly sickly sweet and playing the damsel in distress around all the men and she would outright ignore me, whilst I was stood right there next to my ex and throw her arms around him. Used to wind me up no end. I think deep down she was incredibly insecure and saw other women as a threat to her queen bee status. Ugh.

GreenCandleWax · 25/05/2025 17:17

birdsfeather · 23/05/2025 15:06

Yes, the brother is a big problem because since the very beginning, the brother has been constantly calling my husband over anything going in their lives, expecting DH to prioritize his wife because this was the dynamic since the day he started dating her. I told DH, it's like the entire family has failed to accept that you have your OWN wife now!

Is there some cultural issue here, OP. This insistence on importance of extended family as a cover for your DH's way with his Sil doesn't seem like something you would usually see in a UK conext, iyswim. Is he using it as cover for getting nearer to her? it sounds as though her bitchiness to you could be jealousy of you if she returns his feelings.
I would call it a day on this marriage, and couldn't get past him leaving you for her when vulnerable or the flowers incident. If he can't or won't see how outrageous that is, you really can't stay with him! 🌺

HerNeighbourTotoro · 25/05/2025 17:05

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 16:37

It bothers me a lot less than it seems to bother you 😂, you and some posters seem to take everything so personally. I don't.
Being offended because someone's husband sent flowers to a new mother? It says it all, and the list given by the OP herself goes on.

If someone disliked me on sight like the OP did, I am sure I'll survive quite well.

For someone who does not care, you seem to care a lot 😂
I think it's safe to say no one irl is bothered by you either, but at least you get some much needed validation from an echo chamber with only you in it😚

CalicoPusscat · 25/05/2025 17:02

Can you try to befriend her? Have some time together with the kids? It might dispell the animosity a bit (very hopefully not escalate it...). I don't know if it's dispel or dispell. Will google.

If DH gets jealous there's your answer, he's too attached to her.

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 16:37

HerNeighbourTotoro · 25/05/2025 16:23

OP is not unhappy about SIL being rich and beautiful, but bitchy and condescending. There are many beautiful, wealthy people others dont hate. But we absolutely can dislike bitchy bitches, and your gaslighting wont do anything here, althoug you try so hard. Why does it bother you though, are you also a patronising 'pick me' girl and it's hard to swallow people dislike you because of your personality, not because they are jealous of you (which you'd prefer to believe)?.

It bothers me a lot less than it seems to bother you 😂, you and some posters seem to take everything so personally. I don't.
Being offended because someone's husband sent flowers to a new mother? It says it all, and the list given by the OP herself goes on.

If someone disliked me on sight like the OP did, I am sure I'll survive quite well.

Dangermoo · 25/05/2025 16:29

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 16:15

nice try

but the description of the SIL by posters who have never met her, don't know her, don't see how she actually behaves, all the " I am sure she does this, She must be..."

is just pure bitchiness. It would be funny if it wasn't so embarrassing to see how women can behave.

"send ugly cards and ugly flowers". I mean, WTF? 😂

Yes I agree, the SIL is behaving like a bitch.

HerNeighbourTotoro · 25/05/2025 16:23

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 09:39

the hatred and bitterness over women on this thread is astonishing, against "popular"women for lack of a better word.

I don't think many 14yo would be half as bitchy and nasty that people on this thread, it's classic. 😂

If someone feels inferior, it's on them, it's their insecurity and jealousy. I would love to see the other side of the story here.

OP is not unhappy about SIL being rich and beautiful, but bitchy and condescending. There are many beautiful, wealthy people others dont hate. But we absolutely can dislike bitchy bitches, and your gaslighting wont do anything here, althoug you try so hard. Why does it bother you though, are you also a patronising 'pick me' girl and it's hard to swallow people dislike you because of your personality, not because they are jealous of you (which you'd prefer to believe)?.

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 16:15

Dangermoo · 25/05/2025 09:50

Nice bit of gaslighting there.

nice try

but the description of the SIL by posters who have never met her, don't know her, don't see how she actually behaves, all the " I am sure she does this, She must be..."

is just pure bitchiness. It would be funny if it wasn't so embarrassing to see how women can behave.

"send ugly cards and ugly flowers". I mean, WTF? 😂

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 25/05/2025 13:33

MarkingBad · 23/05/2025 18:35

I'm not the PP you're quoting but I think it was this bit that stuck out for me

There would have been hell if he hadn't from his entire family.

I think that's the crux, he is so used to toeing the line, he doesn't even recognise he's doing it. I don't think it's love for the SIL I think it's fear of his own family disowning him.

Either way does not excuse his behaviour but I don't agree he is in love with SIL as some PP are suggesting, I think it's to do with abandonment fears.

Edited

This is exactly what I'm thinking. He's going to have to decide who he wants to upset, you and his child or his family.

Emonade · 25/05/2025 11:33

OnlyHasEyesForLoki · 23/05/2025 17:50

I experienced this with my ex husband, except it was his married first cousin. They were only a month apart in age and grown up together and his mother and her mother were sisters. He glorified her as did his mother. Turned out he’d been shagging her when we met and this carried on for months until he asked her to leave her husband and she wouldn’t. So he married me. He even suggested her as a godmother when I was pregnant. He stupidly gave me an old phone to use while on maternity leave and there were all the texts confirming it and when I confronted him they were still sexting and bitching about their partners.

We went to couples counselling and he insisted she was “family” and came first and he could do what he liked. Turned out his parents knew and his mother wanted him to leave me for her to “keep it in the family”.

i just don’t feel you can fight against this kind of thinking. I’m not saying your husband has had an affair with SIL but to them she is “family” and you are not. They will never see it. He chooses you and the DCs or loses you. Sadly I think he’ll choose her AKA “family”.

Omg!! Did you leave him because of it? What happened?

Dangermoo · 25/05/2025 09:50

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 09:39

the hatred and bitterness over women on this thread is astonishing, against "popular"women for lack of a better word.

I don't think many 14yo would be half as bitchy and nasty that people on this thread, it's classic. 😂

If someone feels inferior, it's on them, it's their insecurity and jealousy. I would love to see the other side of the story here.

Nice bit of gaslighting there.

thetrumanshow · 25/05/2025 09:39

HerNeighbourTotoro · 25/05/2025 06:26

Another SiL? I bet if you hd to spend a lot of time around an obnoxious, attention seeking person who brags about what she has that you dont and tries to make you feel inferior, you would hate it too, unless it is you. It's not about looks or money in themselves.

the hatred and bitterness over women on this thread is astonishing, against "popular"women for lack of a better word.

I don't think many 14yo would be half as bitchy and nasty that people on this thread, it's classic. 😂

If someone feels inferior, it's on them, it's their insecurity and jealousy. I would love to see the other side of the story here.

TessTimoney · 25/05/2025 09:31

MsCactus · 23/05/2025 15:44

This is horrendous. If it was me I'd start texting DH's brother every time I needed help with something, under the guise of it apparently being normal in their family to all pitch in. And basically demand he does loads for me, using their own logic back on them

This!

AyeDeadOn · 25/05/2025 09:15

Cariadm · 25/05/2025 04:49

I don't think you can have read much of the thread or you would have a better idea of how one sided the relationship between the families is...
You are right of course about the flowers etc but it's a one way thing with them not returning the thoughtfulness and kindnesses expected of her DH and the OP! 🙄

Given that I posted that before most of the thread was posted, obviously I hadn't read most of what is on the thread now. The OP is very clear that she doesn't want her husband's family to be told details of her pregnancy or labour. She wants distance between herself and her husband's family. Which is fine. But it's not fair to expect him to want the same. His SIL has been a close part of his family for 10 years before his wife came along. Why shouldn't he remain close to her? And to his entire family? Maybe he is interested in how his SILs pregnancy is going. It's his niece or nephew, after all. OP expects to be able to redefine boundaries in everyone else's relationships based on the fact that she wants to remain distant from her in laws. And seems to have decided that SIL is a bitch based mainly on the fact that she has a close relationship with her in laws.

MrsMrsD · 25/05/2025 06:56

I'm sorry OP but DH sounds like a pathetic little love struck puppy. Running round after your brothers wife, who does he think he's is, Giggsy?!

SIL sounds vile, super needy and is clearly miserable which is why she doesn't like you. MIL/FIL have clearly fallen for her sly ways. You're better off out of that family OP. It's never going to change.