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Should I claim off neighbour's insurance after a fire?

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FireAdvice · 22/05/2025 20:13

My neighbour has "accidentally" set my massive conifer hedge on fire today - lost the garden office, two sheds, lots of bikes, loads of stuff, etc. Obviously the main thing is we are OK.

I have rung my insurance and they have said that I have to pay a £350 excess and they will cover other stuff. A friend has said I should claim on the neighbours insurance as then I won't be liable for an excess and also my insurance won't go up next year - how do I do that? Do I just ask the neighbour for their insurance details?

Have also lost about 30ft length of 9ft high conifer hedge - all the back boundary and half of the side boundary. But there is another 20ft of conifer hedge nearer the house still intact. My insurance have told me to get a quote for stump removal and fence instillation - can I ask for all the length of the hedge including the non damaged hedge to be removed and fenced the full length - it will look stupid having half fence and half hedge?

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FarmGirl78 · 26/05/2025 22:27

Jc2001 · 22/05/2025 20:22

Yes I can't believe the police haven't already been involved. How do you accidentally set light to a tree on someone else's property.

For me, it was my neighbour using a gas weed burner stick thing, near a planter. And the flames or heat crept underneath or between the flags somehow and the wooden planter caught fire. It's unclear in exactly what order everything went up as he burnt the weeds and then went out for the afternoon, but it was basically the bag of coal for the BBQ that went up, the astroturf caught fire, the rattan patio furniture and then wicker seats on the metal chairs and then the hedge caught fire. Luckily the gas canister for the BBQ didn't explode, but the plastic coating and base was melted. Without thinking I dragged it away to stop it exploding never thinking of the risk, and then rolled it in the wet grass to cool it down.

Accidents do happen.

LetYouEntertainMe · 26/05/2025 21:54

I've just watched the Tiktok - that looks very frightening and so close to houses. The neighbour is insane.

One of the commenters on the Tiktok expressed an opinion that it was clear from the fire that it had an accelerant used in it.

I would have thought that the fire service would know from experience whether this was right or not.

If he used an accelerant, it maybe he should be prosecuted for arson. You want to see if experts can express a view on this. I'd speak to an expert swiftly if the insurers or fire brigade or police aren't on it. I expect that forensic analysis of the ashes would show whether petrol etc had been used.

JohnofWessex · 26/05/2025 18:27

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 16:59

They did talk about the ability to give community orders to people banning them from further bonfires.

Thinking about it

Firstly you need to push for this so it doesnt happen again

Secondly if you can I suggest adding welding to the list of prohibited activities

Finally make it apply to mum as well so they are all in the frame if a fire is lit

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 18:25

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 26/05/2025 17:20

@FireAdvice hope I can get the sofa covers back on 🤣🙈

good luck with that!! it took me 2.5 hours to get a cover back onto one cushions!!! knackered!!

then I read if you wrap it one way in plastic, it slides in easier, then you just pull the plastic out!!

Good tip, thanks

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Jabberwok · 26/05/2025 17:50

Under the metropolitan fires act of 1777 a household is responsible for the "escape" of fire. Your neighbours will be fully liable for the damage caused. If they have house insurance, it should be covered for them as part of the liability cover that decent policies give.

I would contact a solicitor personally and get them to draft a letter informing the neighbours that they are liable for the damage, that they should speak to their insurance company asap as you intend to pursue the matter. Then I would tot up the cost of replacing everything, including as mature a conifer as you can find, add extra for planting by a professional and make a claim in the small claims court. You can do that yourself online as long as it doesn't exceed £25k...I pretty sure his insurance company will come running

JohnofWessex · 26/05/2025 17:38

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 16:59

They did talk about the ability to give community orders to people banning them from further bonfires.

Thats what you need then

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 26/05/2025 17:20

@FireAdvice hope I can get the sofa covers back on 🤣🙈

good luck with that!! it took me 2.5 hours to get a cover back onto one cushions!!! knackered!!

then I read if you wrap it one way in plastic, it slides in easier, then you just pull the plastic out!!

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 16:59

londongirl12 · 26/05/2025 15:59

Fire service can’t do anything. What do you expect them to do?

They did talk about the ability to give community orders to people banning them from further bonfires.

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JohnofWessex · 26/05/2025 16:26

londongirl12 · 26/05/2025 15:59

Fire service can’t do anything. What do you expect them to do?

Well they have a record of call outs and what happened for starters

I am not sure what their statutory powers are but clearly they can give the details of what happened and their concerns

Pickingdates · 26/05/2025 16:01

Perhaps start a new thread about additional costs that you need to be aware of.

My friend had a gorgeous wardrobe of clothes.
Dry cleaning of 1k couldn't remove the small, despite their best efforts.

Don't waste your time, just add in all soft furnishings to be replaced.

londongirl12 · 26/05/2025 15:59

JohnofWessex · 22/05/2025 21:24

May I suggest

letter to Fire Brigade & Police

CC Environmental Health & ASB Team at Council

Thank you for attending to the fire at my house today.

I have previously had to call the Fire Brigade following a number of fires lit at my neighbours house

There has now been a fire starting on my neighbours side of the hedge that has caused about £30K worth of damage to say nothing of my personal distress . It has been stated by my neighbour that he started it while he was welding.

Given what has happened I would like appropriate action to be taken to ensure that there are no more fires at my neighbours house and other anti social behaviour.

I would like to suggest that we have a meeting at (place time) to plan what action is to be taken.

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Fire service can’t do anything. What do you expect them to do?

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:57

Yes, am including the entire work for stump removal and fence.

insurance company are engaging a firm to do the clean up.

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Pickingdates · 26/05/2025 15:54

I understand your hesitation.
However, could you do a consultation with them?
My friend was stunned with all the additional stuff they added.

I have no connection whatsoever to one, but I absolutely wouldn't hesitate if it was me.

Are you pricing in the clean up and removal of all the mess?

The digging and planting of a new hedge?

Could you at least ask a loss assessor for a consult to see is it worth your while.

My friend paid 10k for his services, but she said he paid for himself with his professionalism and knowledge.

He made it painless.
Its worth a phonecall.

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:46

@BakelikeBertha he saw me in the garden and came to the boundary and spoke to me.

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FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:45

@Pickingdates hsve just been googling about employing a loss assessor. Seems they normally get 10% of the final claim. So if the settlement is 40k then they get 4k and I’m left with 36k, so I’d be 4k out of pocket. Which i wouldn’t be happy about.

id like to think I can negotiate a fair settlement. We have new for old and like for like. I have made a lengthy list of what we have lost down to the blinds in the garden office and the cost of the paint for the office and preserver for the sheds. I am currently putting a price next to each of these items and will add it up and not accept anything less.

so not sure I’d be better off with a loss assessor. I obviously can’t claim for anything extra/different and therefore a loss assessor can’t add anything more to the claim to make it worthwhile employing them. Maybe the insurance firm will try and give me the run around but ultimately I will have a price I’m going to be insisting on.

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BakelikeBertha · 26/05/2025 15:33

Glad to hear that he's apologised OP, how did that happen, did he come round to your house specifically to say sorry, or did he speak to you in the garden? Serves him right if he was scared, it was a reckless thing to be doing, after we've had so much dry weather.

I was well known in our area at one time, for my garden bonfires, as we bought a house with a very large garden which had been neglected for years, so there was always heaps of garden rubbish to be disposed of. However, I would NEVER light a fire, until I'd checked to see if anyone had washing out, and I'd attached the garden hose, ready to go the moment anything went wrong, which is just simple common sense!

I really hope you manage to get this sorted out, without it costing you too much money. Good luck!

Pickingdates · 26/05/2025 15:27

That is horrendous OP.
I really think you need to employ a loss adjuster to represent you.

You will never get that smell out so don't waste your time.

My friend had an electrical fire in her house years ago. The experienced, recommended loss adjuster on her behalf got her a fully renovated house and a complete new wardrobe.
Worth every penny of his percentage.

Don't negotiate alone.
Get someone who will get you the best deal.
I wouldn't believe your neighbour.
That was malicious.

He just didn't expect it to be so serious and he did get a fright no doubt.
But he likely caused it.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/05/2025 15:20

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:19

I suspect that might happen with us sadly

If this does happen your neighbour needs to pay for it.

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:19

PussInBin20 · 26/05/2025 15:14

When our neighbour caused a fire which spread to our fence and garden building, we thought that our insurers would claim off theirs (as it was their fault after all) but they didn’t.

We simply claimed on ours, paid the excess and had double the premium the next time we renewed!

I suspect that might happen with us sadly

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FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:18

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/05/2025 15:16

OK, so he's apologised.

Is he going to pay for the damage?

Because apologising is free.

Replacing your stuff isn't.

I warned him my insurance will probably be in touch with his insurance and he said that’s fine.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/05/2025 15:16

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:04

He has apologised. I do feel he’s genuinely sorry. He insists he didn’t do it on purpose. Says he’s never been so scared. So I think we may have a slight truce. Dd thinks I’m gullible but even if I am it’s the best way forward.

clean up continues. I’ve spent all day seeing what I can wipe down out the office to salvage. Taken the sofa covers on and they’re currently washing. Steam cleaned the rest of the sofa. Salvaged most of my text books, they’re a bit singed but not worth claiming for. Most of my art supplies are ok. Lost a lot of pads of art paper and some of my paintings, sketchbooks but the actual paints and brushes are ok.

hope I can get the sofa covers back on 🤣🙈

OK, so he's apologised.

Is he going to pay for the damage?

Because apologising is free.

Replacing your stuff isn't.

PussInBin20 · 26/05/2025 15:14

When our neighbour caused a fire which spread to our fence and garden building, we thought that our insurers would claim off theirs (as it was their fault after all) but they didn’t.

We simply claimed on ours, paid the excess and had double the premium the next time we renewed!

FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:07

JohnofWessex · 26/05/2025 15:02

A cautionary tale

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/somerset-garden-blaze-quickly-escalates-10213346

A Google search suggests that this sort of incident is common

Its light on detail but its why you need to get The Authorities to take action against your neighbour

Scary. Found out today that the fence of my neighbour two doors down caught fire in all of this, must have been from a spark which travelled. The fence panel was right next to their house. Fire brigade had gone by then 🙈. Luckily another neighbour noticed and put it out.

scary that the fire brigade maybe hadn’t checked a bit more 🤷🏻‍♀️

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FireAdvice · 26/05/2025 15:04

JohnofWessex · 26/05/2025 14:08

OP

Any updates?

He has apologised. I do feel he’s genuinely sorry. He insists he didn’t do it on purpose. Says he’s never been so scared. So I think we may have a slight truce. Dd thinks I’m gullible but even if I am it’s the best way forward.

clean up continues. I’ve spent all day seeing what I can wipe down out the office to salvage. Taken the sofa covers on and they’re currently washing. Steam cleaned the rest of the sofa. Salvaged most of my text books, they’re a bit singed but not worth claiming for. Most of my art supplies are ok. Lost a lot of pads of art paper and some of my paintings, sketchbooks but the actual paints and brushes are ok.

hope I can get the sofa covers back on 🤣🙈

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JohnofWessex · 26/05/2025 15:02

A cautionary tale

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/somerset-garden-blaze-quickly-escalates-10213346

A Google search suggests that this sort of incident is common

Its light on detail but its why you need to get The Authorities to take action against your neighbour

Somerset garden blaze 'quickly escalates' as house catches fire

Residents fled

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/somerset-garden-blaze-quickly-escalates-10213346