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Do I get this surgery done or do I cancel it due to work?

145 replies

sha160528 · 22/05/2025 10:39

Hi,

Ive had problems with my breathing since I was a teenager and after years of going back and forth with ENT consultants I’ve finally been referred for an op.

I’ve received the date for my operation and it’s in June. However, there’s a bit of an issue as I’m on a stage 2 at work for sickness (my daughter started nursery in September last year) Usually I get on with whatever illness she brings home and shared with us but on two occasions the bug absolutely wiped me out. The second time I was admitted to hospital with suspected sepsis. As a result of those two occasions of sickness I’m on a stage 2.

If I refuse the date for surgery then they’d need to take me off of their list and I’d have to go through the whole process of being referred by my GP etc again.

My union rep has advised that I take it off as AL but I’m worried that when I go back to work they’ll think I’ve been dishonest and I’ll get in trouble.

If I take it off as sick I’d be on a stage 3 which is more serious.

OP posts:
cannynotsay · 22/05/2025 11:38

Have the surgery. Have the surgery, just had it why are you second guessing it, no one can tell you what to do during your annual leave. Don’t tell them. X

Isobel201 · 22/05/2025 11:37

I'd argue that if its a condition that's affected you for 12 months or more, it could be classed as a disability under the Act, and therefore not be a trigger?

sha160528 · 22/05/2025 11:37

@S0j0urn4r depends on how your recovery is but after nasal surgery most people can have bruising/nose bleeds which would make it obvious that I’ve had surgery

OP posts:
GrapeBerry · 22/05/2025 11:36

Give ACAS a call for advice. Sounds like your employer is making up the rules as they go along. They can't dictate what you do whilst on annual leave.

sha160528 · 22/05/2025 11:35

@Cakeandusername my manager and I haven’t got the best working relationship as I’ve complained about her to her manager in the past in relation to some comments she’d previously made that were inappropriate in my opinion. Since then she’s kind of nit picked at everything I do so she’s already told me it would need to be off as sick which would trigger a stage 3 so if she was me she’d hold off from getting it done

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WibbleyPie · 22/05/2025 11:35

No wonder we've got so many people unable to work if getting treatment for something is penalised. How on earth have we lost sight that humans get sick from time to time because they're human and no amount of disciplinary action or sacking people or just demanding they don't get ill actually changes that?

I'd be having the operation and following your reps advice to request annual leave for it, though you now face the issue that the manager knows it's for your operation and is likely to deny the AL request just because they can and force you into sickness and stage 3 - what happens at stage 3?

thepariscrimefiles · 22/05/2025 11:34

sha160528 · 22/05/2025 10:51

@Icecreamstickunfortunately she’s not like that with me. Probably because I had an unplanned pregnancy within a week of starting this job and have then gone off sick twice after having my baby (due to the reasons I previously explained) so I don’t think she’ll be making any allowances for me because she told me if she was me she’d hold off of getting the surgery done as it’ll take me to a stage 3

Have the surgery. If you turn it down, you will probably have a really long wait. If they try and use this as a reason to dismiss you on health grounds, surely your union would support you and fight this decision as the surgery would help reduce the amount of sick leave you currently take.

Cakeandusername · 22/05/2025 11:33

I’d read policy and ensure advice from union in writing as that doesn’t seem correct to me. Where I work a manager has discretion so a planned surgery wouldn’t trigger next stage. Using leave to try and circumvent policy would be an issue.
Could you book a meeting with manager and hr/union.

S0j0urn4r · 22/05/2025 11:33

How would they know you'd had surgery?

sha160528 · 22/05/2025 11:29

@Mkuter they didn’t ask for evidence. I did say I can provide it but she said it’s done by x amount of instances in x time so evidence is not relevant

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AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 22/05/2025 11:28

Mkuter · 22/05/2025 11:26

I'm more curious how you've ended up at stage 2- if you were in hospital with sepsis surely that can be evidenced and therefore not be considered towards attendance management?

There is usually some flexibility, but unless OP has a condition which is likely to be considered a disability under the Equality Act 2010, then all sickness absence is valid for a management process. It’s about ability to do the job, not the genuineness of the absence.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 22/05/2025 11:27

Will they even approve AL?

BobbyBiscuits · 22/05/2025 11:27

You need to be able to breathe properly! Your long term health is more important than your boss giving you a 'black mark' against your name for being off work for a medical procedure.

I've just been referred to the ENT for my deviated septum and I'm hoping they'll be able to fix it. Don't waste your appointment! You'll still need the surgery but it could take years to get another one.

Mkuter · 22/05/2025 11:26

I'm more curious how you've ended up at stage 2- if you were in hospital with sepsis surely that can be evidenced and therefore not be considered towards attendance management?

Kubricklayer · 22/05/2025 11:19

Assuming the surgery and initial recovery period is contained within the AL, absolutely no business of your employers what you do on your time off.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 22/05/2025 11:19

Another vote for having the surgery.

Book the time off as AL and once approved ask for a meeting with your manager and HR. Just claim innocence and say you have heard that it's classed as sickness....
Explain your situation-stage 2- and that you are taking this as AL unless they allow it as sickness that will not go against you. Make sure you have all this in writing.

On the other hand, you don't have to disclose any medical conditions, (so just take AL and they are never the weiser) however if the condition impacts your work during recovery sometimes it's better to tell them.

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 11:15

suki1964 · 22/05/2025 11:14

Planed/elective surgery has always been AL situations in places I have worked, because you arent actually sick

You need to check your sickness policy

Really? I had a hip replacement which was planned surgery but obviously my employer did not expect me to take A/L.

I ended up being off for 6 weeks and it was all covered by doctors notes.

Callie247 · 22/05/2025 11:14

Surely you are allowed to have medical procedures on annual leave?

suki1964 · 22/05/2025 11:14

Planed/elective surgery has always been AL situations in places I have worked, because you arent actually sick

You need to check your sickness policy

Alpay · 22/05/2025 11:12

Follow your union rep and take it as AL, it’s not the business of the company what you do on your AL

lovemycbf · 22/05/2025 11:11

I’ve used AL for surgery before
do as your rep advises as you may have problems being referred again

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 11:11

I would book it as AL as the union rep advised and not even mention to work that you are having an operation then.

MagneticSquirrel · 22/05/2025 11:11

Your manager is wrong. Take it as annual leave and have the surgery. Your workplace can’t police what you do on your annual leave.

Happyasarainbow · 22/05/2025 11:10

OP, your company has no jurisdiction over what you can use your annual leave for. You can go on holiday, have surgery, spend the whole time standing on your head...

Have the surgery and don't tell your manager that's what the annual leave is for, it's none of her business. But know that she's either not very good at HR, or trying to get you out.

GoodCharl · 22/05/2025 11:10

Document everything around your sickness.. definitely have the surgery. Speak to manager and HR and ask them how you deal with this eg sick or holiday - either way, you must have the surgery! You cant help if you are ill. You have written proof of the appointment its not like you are swinging the lead. Can someone from the union be present when you discuss?

dont feel bad, your health comes first over a job

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