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Stuck in middle of Adult DD’s

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userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 09:44

I have 2 DD’s in their early 20’s who live at home (18month age gap). I’ve been a single mum to them since they were toddlers.

They saw their dad on weekends but they constantly bickered about that and fell over it in their teens with one refusing to visit (DD2) and the other (DD1) trying to make her change her mind.

They have a turbulent relationship and I always feel stuck in the middle. I am close to them both separately but they fight over my loyalty all the time and expect me to take sides. They also hide behind me from each other, passing messages instead of talking directly.

I try not to engage in this and encourage them to speak directly

In their teens they got jobs at the same place and made a group of friends. DD2 met her boyfriend, let’s call him A. In this big group of work friends DD2 and A fell out with some others including a boy called B. They allege boy B was a twat when he was drunk and DD2 was upset at all the gossip and teenage twatness, and the fall out when people took sides. DD2 and A left the workplace after this and still hold a grudge.

DD1 sort of took boy B’s side, stayed friends with him and eventually started dating him. DD2 is fuming that DD1 is dating this guy. She won’t allow him in our house as she says it makes her uncomfortable

Due to this I’ve barely met him and don’t know him. He seems ok, DD1 is fairly happy.

DD1 tries to sneak him around sometimes by asking me if he can come to the house. She’s an adult and I tell her to talk to her sister. When DD2 gets upset, DD1 just says ‘well mum said it was fine’ and blames me

DD2 is asking me to choose between her and DD1’s boyfriend. She wants me to ban him from our house. Obviously I choose DD2 in that black and white scenario but what about DD1, it’s her boyfriend so I’m really ring asked to choose between my own daughters.

if I tell DD1 her boyfriend is banned from the house then she is going to feel like I’ve chosen her sister over her. If I don’t tell DD1 he is banned, DD2 says like she feels I don’t respect her boundaries and she will move out and cut all contact

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Nn9011 · 22/05/2025 20:43

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 17:40

I don’t know. DD1 and I do have a good relationship it’s just different to the one I have with DD2.

Out of the 2 of them I think DD1 is less independent emotionally and needs me more than DD2 does. I probably talk to DD1 more frequently and she comes to me a lot more for advice/support. DD2 has more friends than DD1 so is less likely to come to me. DD2 likes her own company, DD1 would always want to be with me rather than alone.

If I was to invite them both to do something with me, DD1 usually wants to and DD2 will say she’s busy. DD2 really likes my partner and sees him like a real step father figure so they do hang out sometimes. DD1 is closer to her real dad so sees him just as my partner.

Is DD2 more emotionally independent or has she just had to be?

Franpie · 22/05/2025 18:58

She thinks DD1 just needs to accept the consequence of her decision and stop trying to get us to change our minds. DD2 says she will be angry if I disrespect her boundaries

You write as though you and DD2 are a couple jointly parenting DD1.

At what point will B be forgiven and DD1’s choice of boyfriend respected? Once they move in together? When they’re engaged? When they’re married? This is silliness. You should be teaching DD2 that punishments don’t last forever.

faerietales · 22/05/2025 18:57

I can't believe you've allowed DD2 to dictate all this for a year now. It's just batshit.

Either they're both allowed their boyfriends' over or neither of them are - and that's a decision for you to make. Not your daughter(s).

BotterMon · 22/05/2025 18:47

Jeez stop pandering to them. They're adults but are behaving like spoilt toddlers.
Your house; your rules. Both should be treated equally whoever their boyfriends are. They can always move out if they don't like it.

InterIgnis · 22/05/2025 18:44

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 18:33

No DD1 isn’t in a better position and I didn’t say that but he was a better and much more involved dad to her. And why would she have half a mum? DD1 is less independent than DD2 and more dependent on her mum and dad

He decided when I was pregnant with DD2 that he didn’t think we should have her. I did have her and he didn’t bond well. When we split he tried for a bit but the damage was done and he didn’t try very hard to fix it. DD2 hasn’t been parented by this man for over 10 years. Young kids who refuse to see their other parent usually do require some extra parenting, after all I was looking after her alone when DD1 was with her dad ergo we ended up spending more time together.

DD2 is more mature in that she doesn’t scream/shout at you and she has never done this, DD1 has not long grown out of this. DD2 can see different view points even if she doesn’t agree. DD1 does still struggle with that.

I see both their sides and both their views and points. I see both their struggles and differences. I acknowledge the weird dynamic. We have all tried hard to overcome the obstacles of teen angst years but a year ago, DD1 started dating this boy and it’s not gone well since then.

Selfishly, I would like them to both put their issues aside but that would make my life so much easier but that’s not what this is about.

So yes, you’re compensating DD2 at the expense of your DD1. You’re allowing her to wield power over her sister because, why? You think she’s earned it? It’s her turn? Her sister owes her? Does DD1 deserve punishment for having a relationship with her father when her sister doesn’t? Are you getting your own resentments towards her out by using DD2 as a proxy?

You see her as being to blame for choosing to date this boy and thus exposing the deeper cracks in your family dynamic. You aren’t acknowledging your DD2’s own questionable behavior in this, and as such I doubt you have any intention of tackling it.

Therapy may help.

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 18:33

No DD1 isn’t in a better position and I didn’t say that but he was a better and much more involved dad to her. And why would she have half a mum? DD1 is less independent than DD2 and more dependent on her mum and dad

He decided when I was pregnant with DD2 that he didn’t think we should have her. I did have her and he didn’t bond well. When we split he tried for a bit but the damage was done and he didn’t try very hard to fix it. DD2 hasn’t been parented by this man for over 10 years. Young kids who refuse to see their other parent usually do require some extra parenting, after all I was looking after her alone when DD1 was with her dad ergo we ended up spending more time together.

DD2 is more mature in that she doesn’t scream/shout at you and she has never done this, DD1 has not long grown out of this. DD2 can see different view points even if she doesn’t agree. DD1 does still struggle with that.

I see both their sides and both their views and points. I see both their struggles and differences. I acknowledge the weird dynamic. We have all tried hard to overcome the obstacles of teen angst years but a year ago, DD1 started dating this boy and it’s not gone well since then.

Selfishly, I would like them to both put their issues aside but that would make my life so much easier but that’s not what this is about.

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GravyBoatWars · 22/05/2025 18:30

They both need to move out.

They're stuck in their adolescent relationships and roles and that's unlikely to change until they live separately from you and each other, away from their childhood home. They aren't (and can't really) handling conflict like two adults in a houseshare or adult family members with their own homes because they are still siblings at home with mum. You're trying to be a parent to your children living at home having sibling squabbles but also not treat them like children while not being able to tell them to just leave each other to live their lives... it's all impossible.

There's no guarantee that they'll ever be good friends, but staying in this set up is only going to add to the resentment pile. Give them both a timeframe for them leaving and (if you're able) lay out what financial assistance you can provide for what length of time.

InterIgnis · 22/05/2025 18:22

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 18:12

I see my RS with DD1 is more traditional mum and teen daughter dynamic.

I see my RS with DD2 is more mother adult daughter dynamic

DD2’s RS is a bit more advanced in terms of emotional maturity

I assume I will also get to that stage with DD1 it’s just a little further behind

DD’s father put in the dynamic of one child each not me. It did not originate from me or what I wanted to do. He realised he didn’t want 2, he only really wanted 1 of them and DD2 ended up being punished for that

DD2 doesn’t want to be around her father so she has 1 parent technically and DD1 has 2

No, they both have two parents. You aren’t required to compensate DD2 to the detriment of her sister because of her choice not to see him. If indeed their father is as bad as you say, DD1 isn’t in a better position by having a relationship with him.

You have a choice as to whether to continue the dynamic. You have a responsibility here too, that can’t be shrugged off with a ‘not my fault’. Similarly, you cannot use your ex’s poor parenting to excuse your own - ‘he’s worse’ does not make your own attitudes and actions good. IMO it’s increasingly apparent that you favor DD2.

I hope both of them can eventually break away from this shitshow of a dynamic.

Digdongdoo · 22/05/2025 18:22

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 18:12

I see my RS with DD1 is more traditional mum and teen daughter dynamic.

I see my RS with DD2 is more mother adult daughter dynamic

DD2’s RS is a bit more advanced in terms of emotional maturity

I assume I will also get to that stage with DD1 it’s just a little further behind

DD’s father put in the dynamic of one child each not me. It did not originate from me or what I wanted to do. He realised he didn’t want 2, he only really wanted 1 of them and DD2 ended up being punished for that

DD2 doesn’t want to be around her father so she has 1 parent technically and DD1 has 2

Are you sure DD2 is more emotionally mature? She doesn't seem to be handling this in a very grown up way.
DD1 having more of a relationship with her dad doesn't mean she only needs half a mum.
All sounds incredibly unhealthy.

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 18:12

InterIgnis · 22/05/2025 17:46

Do you see it as different, or lesser? DD2 is less of an emotional burden on you, and supports your relationship in a way you prefer. Your attitude towards DD2 really does read to me that you consider her to be yours, whereas DD1 is her father’s. You’re not breaking free of a harmful dynamic, but reinforcing it.

I see my RS with DD1 is more traditional mum and teen daughter dynamic.

I see my RS with DD2 is more mother adult daughter dynamic

DD2’s RS is a bit more advanced in terms of emotional maturity

I assume I will also get to that stage with DD1 it’s just a little further behind

DD’s father put in the dynamic of one child each not me. It did not originate from me or what I wanted to do. He realised he didn’t want 2, he only really wanted 1 of them and DD2 ended up being punished for that

DD2 doesn’t want to be around her father so she has 1 parent technically and DD1 has 2

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PLHJ84 · 22/05/2025 18:07

LadyDanburysHat · 22/05/2025 09:50

You have already chosen DD2 by allowing her to be like this about DD1s boyfriend. Telling DD1 she must get permission from DD2 to bring her boyfriend around. That is unfair. It is your house not DD2s. I think you need to come down hard on both of your daughters to grow the fuck up honestly.

No way would I allow any of that behaviour in my house

This.

DD2 needs to grow up & get over it!

If i was your dd1 i’d move out & leave you both to it as you’ve made it clear you’ll side with your other daughter

LaurieFairyCake · 22/05/2025 17:54

I would say ‘no problem, no boys round until they both can come round’

thsts the only way it’s equally respectful

InterIgnis · 22/05/2025 17:46

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 17:40

I don’t know. DD1 and I do have a good relationship it’s just different to the one I have with DD2.

Out of the 2 of them I think DD1 is less independent emotionally and needs me more than DD2 does. I probably talk to DD1 more frequently and she comes to me a lot more for advice/support. DD2 has more friends than DD1 so is less likely to come to me. DD2 likes her own company, DD1 would always want to be with me rather than alone.

If I was to invite them both to do something with me, DD1 usually wants to and DD2 will say she’s busy. DD2 really likes my partner and sees him like a real step father figure so they do hang out sometimes. DD1 is closer to her real dad so sees him just as my partner.

Do you see it as different, or lesser? DD2 is less of an emotional burden on you, and supports your relationship in a way you prefer. Your attitude towards DD2 really does read to me that you consider her to be yours, whereas DD1 is her father’s. You’re not breaking free of a harmful dynamic, but reinforcing it.

Digdongdoo · 22/05/2025 17:40

Unless what he said was particularly awful, it sounds like a run of the mill teenage squabble. They're adults now and DD2 needs to stop holding it over her sister.
He's obviously not awful or you'd be very concerned for DD1. You need to stop picking sides and let them sort it out amongst themselves.
Your household dynamic doesn't sound very healthy. It's probably best for you all if they both move out - put a stop to the competition and favoritism.

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 17:40

I don’t know. DD1 and I do have a good relationship it’s just different to the one I have with DD2.

Out of the 2 of them I think DD1 is less independent emotionally and needs me more than DD2 does. I probably talk to DD1 more frequently and she comes to me a lot more for advice/support. DD2 has more friends than DD1 so is less likely to come to me. DD2 likes her own company, DD1 would always want to be with me rather than alone.

If I was to invite them both to do something with me, DD1 usually wants to and DD2 will say she’s busy. DD2 really likes my partner and sees him like a real step father figure so they do hang out sometimes. DD1 is closer to her real dad so sees him just as my partner.

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InterIgnis · 22/05/2025 17:30

‘her decision…and stop trying to get us to change our minds’

Fucking hell. She sees this as you and her versus her sister. Not only that, but that she has greater authority than you in your own house.

It very much reads to me like you’re stuck in the dynamic of DD1 being on the outside of your family, whereas you and DD2 are close knit. You risk alienating DD1 entirely, and it’s obviously up to you whether that’s something you consider to be an acceptable outcome.

I also suspect that DD2 may be using this as an opportunity to punish DD2 and assert dominance over her, and it’s actually more about that than it is the boyfriend.

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 16:26

DD2 and I are fine in terms of talking this out. She says she is not angry with me she is angry with DD1 for keep pushing this. She understands DD1 is also my daughter and also lives in the house, and that I am in a bad position. She thinks DD1 just needs to accept the consequence of her decision and stop trying to get us to change our minds. DD2 says she will be angry if I disrespect her boundaries

I did take DD2’s side for the past year, he hasn’t been here but as you can see from all the responses here, everyone has a different take on it and I accept that I have found myself drawn into the drama and ended up in the middle. I should not have let DD1 think that I was changing my mind but on reflection DD1 has been stuck to this guy like glue and she is expecting me to take them as a package duo if I ever want to spend time with her. There is an event coming up and she will only come if he can come, which is why I had started to change the previous boundary as I assumed it would be ok (it’s not)

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PussInBin20 · 22/05/2025 16:22

I would ban both boyfriends and say you won’t take sides and both are not being fair to you.

They can conduct their relationships outside of your home or move out.

Nn9011 · 22/05/2025 16:14

Also dd2 should NOT be made to feel wrong for being upset or angry about the situation. She should not have to let go of any anger towards this man, how she's treated by dd1 and your inability to protect her. Like it or not, try your best or not, victim yourself or not you have failed her.

Nn9011 · 22/05/2025 16:11

The more you comment the more I'm confused as to how you don't see DD1 is the problem here?
The historical context is your ex bullied dd2, and dd1 picked up on his attitudes and followed suit until dd2 was able to stand up for herself with (it sounds like) limited support from you.
Now DD2 is trying to stand up for herself by saying someone who has made crude comments about her body shouldn't be allowed into her home, someone who caused her to loose friends and someone you dd1 sided with.

Dd1 is an adult and can date who she wants but she needs to go touch grass if she thinks dd2 should suck it up and you need to have a long think about why you allow dd1 to act this way.

KurtShirty · 22/05/2025 16:00

you can see from both girls point of view how they both feel they are in the right.

I think the solution would be one which respects both of their positions, as well as yours as their mother, and in order to find a solution like that you have to believe it’s possible, be willing to think creatively, and then get them on board to do the same.

I can see a situation, for example, where if DD2 really feels heard re her feelings that she might be able to also see her sisters perspective and agree that for now he can come over if it’s prearranged so she doesn’t have to see him (if she’s out or whatever), and that DD1 understands that work needs to be put in in order to get to this.

they both do need to recognise each other’s positions but they will only be able to do this if they also feel heard. One of them will have to make the first move and be the adult.

Otherwise a family therapist might be able to help, it might not be possible for you to mediate this. if I was you, I’d be trying to learn some skills by reading about mediation and family therapy, there’s probably quite a lot of stuff you can do.

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 15:55

I was concerned about him with DD1 as he had not shown himself to be respectful to women in the past. She says he is respectful to her

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userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 15:49

He doesn’t give me the creeps and he seems to make DD1 happy. But he isn’t very charismatic and he appears pretty laid back ie lazy

He was 16/17 and made a crude sexual comment about DD2. He didn’t touch her but it got made into gossip as if something had happened between them (it had not). She had a boyfriend who was one of B’s friends/colleagues. This is why it caused a fracture in the group and made work unbearable for DD2 as some people believed either side. My DD1 took part in the gossip at the time too

i mean DD2 did choose to leave but that’s because people were talking about her and this boy and what happened and it was sexual in nature so not very nice for an 18yo girl to go through?

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wordywitch · 22/05/2025 15:10

userspacereturn · 22/05/2025 14:56

It was crude and I wouldn’t like it. I don’t blame her.

when DD1 started dating him I was very concerned and I’ve been clear about respect and boundaries but she said everything is fine.

In all honesty I do wish DD1 would just accept it and stop being pushy about it. It is what it is. She knew DD2 wouldn’t like it as she hid it from us for a while

So what he said was horrible enough for you to be concerned about DD1 dating him? Hmm. Gut instincts are not often wrong.

BleepyBleep · 22/05/2025 15:08

I guess it’s down to semantics but leaving a job because I dislike someone isn’t the same as losing a job. You left because you wanted to. DD2 is being a bit disingenuous in framing it as losing a job.

And I say this as someone who’s also looking to change jobs due to disliking a couple people.