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Am I a bad mother for liking my step-daughter more

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Clariey · 22/05/2025 03:30

Okay first of all, I want to clarify, I love my daughters more than I love anyone on this planet, that’s not what this is about.

Background, I have 2 daughters, they are 19 and 21. Lovely girls, both still live at home and I think like most families we have our issues but I love them deeply. As they have gotten older I’ve struggled at times with “liking” them, it’s tricky to explain, as they have all the traits one would want their child to have, they are kind and intelligent, they are funny and in every way I’m proud of them.
However there are traits they both have that sometimes irritate me, a lack of self-awareness, a desperate need to follow every trend and sometimes I feel they lack any originality and seem to be incapable of thinking truly for themselves. We can’t discuss politics as they just regurgitate opinions heard on social media, they pick holidays based on wherever some influencer has said is cool. It often feels like I could be talking to any late teen/early 20s girl. This frustrates me as I’ve always believed in the power of forming your own thoughts and opinions, I feel like this often what makes someone really interesting.

My step-daughter is 22, she moved in with us in September as she moved to the uk for her masters. I never really knew her before this, my husband and her mother were never a couple, she was raised by her mother in one country most of the year then spent summers with her dad in another. When she first moved in with us, I found her hard to read, intensely private and to be honest I didn’t really get her or like her. I loved her as an extension of my husband but didn’t really know her as an individual. Over the months I’ve gotten to know her and I have realised I really like her as a person. She doesn’t seem fussed by trends, not in a contrarian way where if something is trendy she must hate it, more in a I like what I like regardless of the popularity sense. She is incredibly intelligent, she reads books by authors I’ve never heard of, is capable of having meaningful conversations about most topics, from politics to feminism and history. She’s happy to have her view point challenged and her supporting arguments are never “such and such on TikTok said such and such”. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think she is perfect, I think she can be extremely cynical and seems to be permanently dissatisfied with the world.

Lately I’ve felt like I’d rather talk to my stepdaughter than my own children, not because I don’t love my children or enjoy their presence but I sometimes find their life boring. They surround themselves by people who are just like them, all caught up in a whirlwind of trends. Conversations quickly turn to arguments as they get defensive if I ever question a thought process (my theory here is they don’t have a thought process but rather they are regurgitating an opinion, they can’t defend it or talk about it in any real depth as it’s not their own).

On the flip, I feel like my step-daughter challenges me intellectually which I really enjoy. She teaches me things I never knew, has recommended some books to me which have left me feeling haunted and changed as a person. Equally she is receptive to criticism, she is open to discussing anything in depth and being challenged on her views and even conceding that her own opinions aren’t always correct. I know partially it is because she isn’t my daughter, we don’t have the same bond or relationship and probably look at each other more as equals than my own daughters and I do (I think they view me as past my best and a relic of the past while I often view them as naive and immature). Then there is the fact that my step-daughter grew up in a very different world to my own, learning about her childhood, her home city and her culture is all fascinating to me.

Last night I was chatting to my step-daughter and my own daughter wanted to change the topic to a date she had been on recently. I realised I felt a sense of dread at hearing about it as it’s always the same story with a different character. However when my step-daughter goes to share a story from a date she’s been on I am keen to listen, this is because she often has more profound views on the dates, her standards for men are higher and she’s attracted to more interesting people. I felt awful afterwards as in my mind my own children should be my priority, I should be grateful that they want to let me into their life and me being bored by it makes me feel like a bad mother, they are my own flesh and blood, how can I be anything but excited to hear what they have to share?

Now I can’t sleep, I feel like I’ve let my children down in some way, both by comparing them to my step-daughter when they are wonderful people in their own right but also by failing to instil some of these qualities in them.

Has anyone else ever felt like this? Am I awful and unreasonable for feeling this way?

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thepariscrimefiles · 22/05/2025 08:00

Clariey · 22/05/2025 07:22

No you’ve misunderstood. I agree with my daughters in principle I don’t agree with them being antisemitic.
Step daughter definitely knows more about the war and history than I do or my daughters do, she’s taken a keen interest in learning, even having learnt, she still admits she doesn’t know everything.

What have they said that you think is anti-semitic?

Clariey · 22/05/2025 07:59

MissDoubleU · 22/05/2025 07:50

So what you’re saying is you think your step daughter - who chooses to stay neutral on subjects of mass genocide, is somehow the smarter of the two?

Have you considered in fact that you do not have the correct answers here and your daughters aren’t discussing things with you because you believe they are influenced by social media and not, say, the mass bombings of literal hospitals and civillians being slaughtered on mass? There is plenty of very clear footage to be seen and being anti Zionist is not in any way anti semitic. This is why there is a huge movement of Jewish people protesting annd standing with Palestine; who insist when they say “never again” that means never again for anyone.

I’m not going to repeat the things my children have said but it’s not anti-Zionist it is straight up Anti-Semitic.

Also I’m not talking about the genocide, no one is debating that the Israeli’s have committed war crimes, no one at all.

The conversation I am referring to comes from my daughter saying “From the river to the sea” and citing all the land should belong to Palestinians. It provoked a conversation about the history, the context and background prior to the attack on October 7th and the subsequent massively out of proportion and devastating retaliation.

The conversation was never about defending what Israel has done.

Step daughter isn’t neutral on that matter; she is massively pro two state solution and often condemns both the actions of the Israeli government and Hamas. What she does also recognise though is that both people groups have the right to exist peacefully and this is something my daughters seem to disagree with.

Stop making assumptions.

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emilysquest · 22/05/2025 07:54

I have a similar thing between my DH and my stepdaughters. He is an intelligent man but has dyslexia, and was sadly let down by both his parents and his piss poor education in terms of fulfilling any academic potential or learning about the world (he did not grow up in the UK). I love him but there are many things he just doesn't, and can't, get. He knows a great deal about certain things including his previous profession, but he has never read a book in his life and his understanding of things like literature, art, culture, history and science is pretty much limited to what I have manged to (surreptitiously) teach him over the years. When I met him he watched WWF wrestling as his main entertainment and talked to me confidently about Hitler having started both world wars...

My stepdaughters have been educated in London and each gone on to several university degrees in several different European counties, are both in professional careers allied to my own. They are very interesting people. They can talk about amything and everything with knowledge and confidence, and their politics is similar to my own. Where it differs they can debate with skill and respect. I love it when they come home (doesn't happen as often as I would like) as after 20 years with DH, much as I love him, I get tired of him talking about the same few topics in which he has interest, and his failing to understand the nuances of things and the history behind things that go on in the world. I can't give him book recommendations, for example, as he "doesn't like books" (yes, I know its because of the dyslexia, but its still hard never to be able to discuss a book). My stepdaughters and I are always recommending books or films to each other. I do feel guilty sometimes when I an feigning interest for the millionth time in the details of an engine that I have no interest in at all and wishing I could be talking to my elder stepdaughter about geopolitics or some scientific news...

Snoken · 22/05/2025 07:54

I think the main difference is that your kids world is a lot smaller than your SDs world. They have lived in one country their whole lives and not even left home for uni whilst your SD has lived between different cultures and moved around and been independent for years already. This has given her a massive headstart but your DDs might get there too eventually, but they would need to want to get out there and experience a different type of life.

I have two kids the same age as your DDs and they had lived in 4 countries by the time we moved to my home country when they were mid-teens. They are very similar to your SD and not particularly interested in SM or the latest trends. They are very much intelligent individuals with their own style and opinions. They speak three languages and fairly knowledgable about what is going on in the world. I think it has just come naturally to them because we are all like that. I never saw the value of them just experiencing one type of life, one culture, one language etc.

MrsJoanDanvers · 22/05/2025 07:53

I think if she’s been raised abroad, there may be different educational standards-she may have been challenged more to think independently to read books which stretch her intellect. In some other countries, it’s seen as cool to be bright and intellectually inclined-here, it’s more fit in with your peer group. You love your daughters because they’re your daughters but you are allowed to find other young people interesting especially if they are well read and have considered opinions. Try to think of her adding a new dimension to your family. My dil was raised overseas and is very well read, multi lingual and paints-all very different from my dear daughter who is smart and funny and at the same time watches Love Island and uses sun beds and lip filler. The fact she likes superficial things doesn’t change my love for her. Why not reframe it as not being disappointed in your daughters but as feeling fortunate you have a lovely interesting stepdaughter as well as your daughters who are dear to you?

MissDoubleU · 22/05/2025 07:50

Clariey · 22/05/2025 05:24

See I really disagree here, there are definitely some topics my children do just regurgitate opinions on and having directed them towards seeking other sources of information have been told flat out now. Such as I often fear my children lack the nuance and depth necessary to understand the war in Gaza. They often times sound almost anti-Semitic in the way they speak and defend this attitude with simple one liners. They have no idea of the history, and refuse to take the time to learn it.
Now I don’t really mind if at their ages they don’t want to go on a deep dive of history to understand, however it does bother me that they take their one dimensional understanding and use it as an excuse to be horrid at times.
I don’t deny social media has a place in learning now, it does however there is no amount of 60 second TikTok’s that will give someone a rounded view on a situation like the war in Gaza.
My stepdaughter on the other hand, sits far more neutral on the subject, admits that she doesn’t have a full grasp of the situation but is happy to learn, talk to people, read books and articles, learn about the history etc.
Its not that I disagree with my children’s political views as I don’t really, we all as a family sit on the left, however it bothers me when they can’t back their opinions up, I think that’s a really important skill.
I think their heart is in the right place and they are wonderfully kind girls (more so than my step daughter, who is more cautious with her kindness) but they haven’t yet developed the maturity to understand that the vast majority of things in life don’t have a clear right and wrong.
I also know they get their stubbornness from me, and at 18-22 I was probably equally shocked to be told I was wrong and reluctant to admit that I didn’t know everything!

In many ways I think what it comes down to is for various reasons (childhood and culture) step-daughter is mature beyond her years, I think this can make my children look immature in comparison when really they are exactly where they are meant to be at their ages. Maybe I ought to feel more sadness that step-daughter has been forced to grow up quickly and mature faster than anyone really should.

So what you’re saying is you think your step daughter - who chooses to stay neutral on subjects of mass genocide, is somehow the smarter of the two?

Have you considered in fact that you do not have the correct answers here and your daughters aren’t discussing things with you because you believe they are influenced by social media and not, say, the mass bombings of literal hospitals and civillians being slaughtered on mass? There is plenty of very clear footage to be seen and being anti Zionist is not in any way anti semitic. This is why there is a huge movement of Jewish people protesting annd standing with Palestine; who insist when they say “never again” that means never again for anyone.

Chloe793 · 22/05/2025 07:48

i think it just sounds like your SD is more mature than your dd's. I don't think it's unreasonable if you feel like rolling your eyes at the fact that your dd's get all their information from TikTok. It's a choice for them to get their information from there and it's not somehow disloyal to not be impressed.

I think you just keep challenging your dd's with the another point of view - make sure you can back up your points! You don't have to do it in a confrontational way of course. I also think you have to ask yourself how they got to this point - what age did they have phones? What age were they watching shows like Love Island etc? How important are superficial things like looks/clothes in their family home?

MissDoubleU · 22/05/2025 07:45

Agix · 22/05/2025 05:06

I would place bets that your daughters are not just regurgitating opinions from social media. I would bet my right arm that they are whole, considered, aware people who have formed their own opinions and thought processess. Because most people who are "kind, intelligent and funny" - as you say your daughter's are - do.

You are devsluaing them in favour of a new shiny toy. You are putting more effort into liking your step daughter over your own daughters - probably because they are familiar to you, have always been there, and you're just not as interested.

Yes, that does make you a bad mother. Placing more effort and value into "new shiny people" who enter your life and then devaluing the people you already have and are close to is also a very narcissistic trait, a particularly gross one.

I'd say make more effort with your daughter's - but I'm unsure you'd bother, you've already made up your mind. If you cared at all, you might continue to not like them, but you might realise it's because you disagree with their considered opinions, rather than it being their fault for being airheads or whatever nonsense you're currently telling yourself.

Agree whole heartedly. I think OP is doing her daughters a great disservice here. Just because they take joy in the little things and enjoying their life. Enjoying trends doesn’t squash their intelligence, and is in fact very valid socially,

The whole “not like other girls” vibe is very “pick me” and I suggest you do some digging into these phrases and understanding why you devalue women based on purely on their enjoyment of certain things.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 22/05/2025 07:37

BeJollyEagle · 22/05/2025 04:12

Sorry it was a long post and trying to remember everything you said, but yes you did. My mistake.

I would say that I got a feeling my nana felt like this when we would go out, she always seem really impressed by girls who were more intelligent, spoke nicer, were more well behaved. She was older and believed children should behave a certain way so it could be that but it hurt as I knew she was comparing us. She would bring up comments about other kids and their achievements whilst not really saying anything about me.

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Reminds me of my mother.

I was well-read (for my age), did well in school, was very interested in history and botany from a young age. And I did receive a lot of compliments from other adults.

but there was always somebody my mother seemed to consider to be better/worthier of her compliments etc. It was usually centred around athletics (I was not athletic at all), musicality (and how I was berated for my insufficient lack of musical talent) or simply of better „character“. Whatever THAT meant!

OP: these are the girls you raised. And you apparently did not raise them as people who have intellectually challenging conversations about politics or feminism.

but you also ought to consider that moving out (from your „first“/family home) and to an entirely different country will give people perspective. Your DDs don’t have that perspective (yet). And you are your DD‘s mother. They know you love them. They know that you’ll want to know what’s going on in their lives.

your DSD doesn’t have that same security. She (even if subconsciously) will probably try to be somebody you WANT to talk to.

TorroFerney · 22/05/2025 07:33

I personally find it odd the role you expect your children to fill. They aren’t there to entertain and debate with you , what you describe seems more like a friend.

With regard to the stepdaughter, on the Gaza point is she not just staying neutral to be polite?

arcticpandas · 22/05/2025 07:31

Clariey · 22/05/2025 05:27

Yes I think this is a big part of it. I definitely love my children more than I love my stepdaughter, I am more fiercely protective of them and worry more about them.
I think I just enjoy the fresh perspectives step-daughter brings to the table and her willingness to both challenge and be challenged but really they are the qualities of a friend rather than a child.

This is normal. It might be that your SD has had more averse experiences which have forged her personality and made her "interesting" whereas your daughters have lived a sheltered life and haven't been confronted to difficulties why they tend to be shallow. In time they will have their share I imagine and become more interesting perhaps. But it's fine to prefer having conversations with other people than your children.

NestEmptying · 22/05/2025 07:30

She has moved out (effectively). Her home for most of her childhood was with her mother so she is now more of an adult living with fellow adults - it's a different relationship.

Your daughters are presumably free to be completely themselves without censoring any part of their personality. It's good that they have that freedom with you but your SD will.have less of that freedom. How ever welcome you make her, it's not her childhood home.

Koalafan · 22/05/2025 07:26

It's said that the traits we don't like in others often reflect the traits we don't like in ourselves.

Gonners · 22/05/2025 07:24

@Clariey My younger daughter has said she finds step-daughter quite pretentious but then she is Italian and French so I think a slight air of pretentiousness is to be expected.

Good grief! But thank you for reminding me why I dislike this country so much.

Clariey · 22/05/2025 07:22

KingMungBean · 22/05/2025 07:16

From your follow-up post it seems like you’re having a fundamental disagreement with your daughters about Gaza and you’re disappointed they’re not toeing your line. The new SD doesn’t seem to have a grounding in that situation, she just isn’t very clued up on it by her own admission so is agreeing with you. Your daughters are probably finding their relationship with you difficult too.

No you’ve misunderstood. I agree with my daughters in principle I don’t agree with them being antisemitic.
Step daughter definitely knows more about the war and history than I do or my daughters do, she’s taken a keen interest in learning, even having learnt, she still admits she doesn’t know everything.

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butterdish93 · 22/05/2025 07:20

There’s a better standard of education in a lot of European countries. Which produces more well rounded people. A sweeping statement but one which I have found to be largely true

Escapingagain · 22/05/2025 07:20

I think in the uk children are given phones and social media at a young age. Shows like love island are often looked up to as an aim to be famous/rich. You say your daughter’s friends are the same. Your step daughter was brought up in a different country with a different type of society. I think the only way you can change the dynamics of conversations with your daughters is to challenge them more. For example another date that has gone the same way- point it out it’s a theme what could you change? What do you need etc? Your daughters are still young and they will grow up more and change in time. Maybe they are looking to you for guidance. But comparing them to your step daughter who you happen to have things in common with probably isn’t the best way to look at the situation.

Clariey · 22/05/2025 07:19

beAsensible1 · 22/05/2025 07:15

So your daughter have different views and political opinions to you and aren’t neutral so the must only have tiktok views?

I think you are just on different wave lengths and possibly different political views so you assume they must be “trendy”

if your daughters recommended you a book would you even read it?

First of all, no, we actually share the same political views, I wouldn’t say I’m neutral on the war so that’s an assumption that is wrong. My issue isn’t their views it’s their inability to back anything up. They can spit one liners (which I can tell by the wording is not their own) but if asked to expand or presented with a follow up point can’t as they have none. I don’t challenge their views as I disagree with them I challenge them as I am interested and want to know more and I think it’s a good life skill to take a point and back it up.
I absolutely take book recommendations from my daughters, my eldest hasn’t picked up a book (for non academic purposes) since she left school so would have nothing to recommend (which is fine we don’t all have to be avid readers) and my youngest prefers fantasy and mythology which I have tried and not been interested in, again nothing wrong with these genres at all, I just have no interest in them.

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Brownsauce89 · 22/05/2025 07:19

I would say your daughters sound fun - I would rather hang out with them than discuss politics!! It’s good to have a grasp and understanding of what is going on in the world and ensure you are up to date - but you don’t HAVE to have an interest in politics to be an interesting human being. Why don’t you try taking an interest in what your daughters like and asking them questions?

Seventree · 22/05/2025 07:18

I think you come across as a bit of a pretentious intellectual snob. Your daughters don't have to care deeply about the same issues as you in order to be intelligent, interesting people.

WhatNoRaisins · 22/05/2025 07:17

I think it's tricky for young people these days, there's a lot of #nodebate and you get more shamed for having the wrong opinion on something.

For me going away to university and meeting different people from different places was really transformative and horizon broadening. I don't know if that's as true now. I think there's only so much that you can do with today's culture for young people.

I'd try to as your DDs more questions, nothing complex but "what do you think?" when they start quoting.

KingMungBean · 22/05/2025 07:16

From your follow-up post it seems like you’re having a fundamental disagreement with your daughters about Gaza and you’re disappointed they’re not toeing your line. The new SD doesn’t seem to have a grounding in that situation, she just isn’t very clued up on it by her own admission so is agreeing with you. Your daughters are probably finding their relationship with you difficult too.

Crowfeet · 22/05/2025 07:15

Step daughter is probably a bit more worldly wise and mature due to her upbringing. Your girls are probably still like baby birds in the nest having always been home. They’ve had very different upbringings. Even being a much older child than siblings can make someone more mature, or being an only child, it’s as simple as that in my opinion.

beAsensible1 · 22/05/2025 07:15

So your daughter have different views and political opinions to you and aren’t neutral so the must only have tiktok views?

I think you are just on different wave lengths and possibly different political views so you assume they must be “trendy”

if your daughters recommended you a book would you even read it?

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 22/05/2025 07:09

I'd hate to have a 20 something step daughter who recommended me haunting books. At a dinner party I'd cringe more being sat next to the step daughter than either of the daughters.