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Am I a bad mother for liking my step-daughter more

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Clariey · 22/05/2025 03:30

Okay first of all, I want to clarify, I love my daughters more than I love anyone on this planet, that’s not what this is about.

Background, I have 2 daughters, they are 19 and 21. Lovely girls, both still live at home and I think like most families we have our issues but I love them deeply. As they have gotten older I’ve struggled at times with “liking” them, it’s tricky to explain, as they have all the traits one would want their child to have, they are kind and intelligent, they are funny and in every way I’m proud of them.
However there are traits they both have that sometimes irritate me, a lack of self-awareness, a desperate need to follow every trend and sometimes I feel they lack any originality and seem to be incapable of thinking truly for themselves. We can’t discuss politics as they just regurgitate opinions heard on social media, they pick holidays based on wherever some influencer has said is cool. It often feels like I could be talking to any late teen/early 20s girl. This frustrates me as I’ve always believed in the power of forming your own thoughts and opinions, I feel like this often what makes someone really interesting.

My step-daughter is 22, she moved in with us in September as she moved to the uk for her masters. I never really knew her before this, my husband and her mother were never a couple, she was raised by her mother in one country most of the year then spent summers with her dad in another. When she first moved in with us, I found her hard to read, intensely private and to be honest I didn’t really get her or like her. I loved her as an extension of my husband but didn’t really know her as an individual. Over the months I’ve gotten to know her and I have realised I really like her as a person. She doesn’t seem fussed by trends, not in a contrarian way where if something is trendy she must hate it, more in a I like what I like regardless of the popularity sense. She is incredibly intelligent, she reads books by authors I’ve never heard of, is capable of having meaningful conversations about most topics, from politics to feminism and history. She’s happy to have her view point challenged and her supporting arguments are never “such and such on TikTok said such and such”. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think she is perfect, I think she can be extremely cynical and seems to be permanently dissatisfied with the world.

Lately I’ve felt like I’d rather talk to my stepdaughter than my own children, not because I don’t love my children or enjoy their presence but I sometimes find their life boring. They surround themselves by people who are just like them, all caught up in a whirlwind of trends. Conversations quickly turn to arguments as they get defensive if I ever question a thought process (my theory here is they don’t have a thought process but rather they are regurgitating an opinion, they can’t defend it or talk about it in any real depth as it’s not their own).

On the flip, I feel like my step-daughter challenges me intellectually which I really enjoy. She teaches me things I never knew, has recommended some books to me which have left me feeling haunted and changed as a person. Equally she is receptive to criticism, she is open to discussing anything in depth and being challenged on her views and even conceding that her own opinions aren’t always correct. I know partially it is because she isn’t my daughter, we don’t have the same bond or relationship and probably look at each other more as equals than my own daughters and I do (I think they view me as past my best and a relic of the past while I often view them as naive and immature). Then there is the fact that my step-daughter grew up in a very different world to my own, learning about her childhood, her home city and her culture is all fascinating to me.

Last night I was chatting to my step-daughter and my own daughter wanted to change the topic to a date she had been on recently. I realised I felt a sense of dread at hearing about it as it’s always the same story with a different character. However when my step-daughter goes to share a story from a date she’s been on I am keen to listen, this is because she often has more profound views on the dates, her standards for men are higher and she’s attracted to more interesting people. I felt awful afterwards as in my mind my own children should be my priority, I should be grateful that they want to let me into their life and me being bored by it makes me feel like a bad mother, they are my own flesh and blood, how can I be anything but excited to hear what they have to share?

Now I can’t sleep, I feel like I’ve let my children down in some way, both by comparing them to my step-daughter when they are wonderful people in their own right but also by failing to instil some of these qualities in them.

Has anyone else ever felt like this? Am I awful and unreasonable for feeling this way?

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Bansea · 22/05/2025 08:31

I’d be curious to know which books she recommended please!

Calliopespa · 22/05/2025 08:31

Chiconbelge · 22/05/2025 08:18

If my young adult children found me hanging on the words of a new stepsister while she talks about Annie Ernoux they would react by doubling down on the Tik Tok talk and it would give them a lot of pleasure to do so - but it wouldn’t stop them from feeling under-estimated by me.

If every time you talk about Gaza you put down the views they express and accuse them of getting them from Tik Tok, they aren’t going to respond by humbly asking you for a reading list.

Don’t forget they will be very able to read you and they will know already what you are thinking and feeling. This won’t be going on just in your head or here on MN. I’d focus a bit more on your communications with them - just because you love them doesn’t mean that they don’t need your good opinion.

There is a valid point here that op must be careful not to make her DD’s feel inferior

BUT the first paragraph in this response - about how the Dc might react by “ doubling down on the tik-tok talk” and “ getting pleasure from doing so” is exactly the sort of self-defeating assertiveness that is problematic in this generation and our culture generally at the moment. People are threatened by disagreement or debate and can’t manage it civilly. Everything is taking sides.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/05/2025 08:29

Snoken · 22/05/2025 08:22

It's not really debating though, it's being able to have discussions with the people you live with. I don't think most people don't like that and it's certainly not something that is done due to a lack of hobbies. Having interesting discussions is vital for most people to connect and keep their brains in shape.

Yes, i agree, discussing topics is a positive thing, though when you clearly disagree with the people in your company, why continue debate sensitive issues.
Can't force someone to agree with you or have the expertise and skills to debate it? When you're in that situation, change the record, unless you want to upset them.
There are many things that I won't discuss with certain people as it is only going to disappoint me and them.

RumAndDietCoke · 22/05/2025 08:28

Don’t feel bad OP, I prefer my DSS to my DS. My DS has hurt me a lot over the years and something happened yesterday which was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Fortunately, he’s an adult and has left home so I don’t have to see him much nowadays.

MyOliveHelper · 22/05/2025 08:26

Calliopespa · 22/05/2025 08:22

Yup.

Even much of the school syllabus is concerned with repetition of answers and following of templates rather than independent thought.

I think its like that at all levels. I know people who really don't know how they feel about a film or an album until they've read what theyre supposed to think about it by the critics they value.

OneQuirkyPanda · 22/05/2025 08:25

Honestly, it sounds like you have a crush on your SD. I’m not saying it’s anything sexual, but you seem to be completely enamoured by her and are putting her on this pedestal, could you be transferring some of your feelings about your husband onto her as she reminds you of him?

MyOliveHelper · 22/05/2025 08:23

Snoken · 22/05/2025 08:22

It's not really debating though, it's being able to have discussions with the people you live with. I don't think most people don't like that and it's certainly not something that is done due to a lack of hobbies. Having interesting discussions is vital for most people to connect and keep their brains in shape.

Why does it have to be about Gaza though. Why cant it be about music, or local politics, or art, or ULEZ?

It seems like OP feels certain topics are what the refined people like her SD discuss, and those are the things we should all talk about.

Calliopespa · 22/05/2025 08:22

Pricelessadvice · 22/05/2025 08:06

I hate to say it, but a lot of young adults from the UK are like your daughters. They’ve been bought up on social media and just regurgitate what they’ve heard in the media.

Yup.

Even much of the school syllabus is concerned with repetition of answers and following of templates rather than independent thought.

Snoken · 22/05/2025 08:22

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/05/2025 08:16

Sounds like you enjoy debates in your home OP, most people don't.
Stepdaughter is probably just being polite while hoping that you find a hobby.

It's not really debating though, it's being able to have discussions with the people you live with. I don't think most people don't like that and it's certainly not something that is done due to a lack of hobbies. Having interesting discussions is vital for most people to connect and keep their brains in shape.

Butchyrestingface · 22/05/2025 08:19

Clariey · 22/05/2025 08:11

That’s a conversation I’ll happily have with them when they can tell me why they disagree with a two state solution. When I asked why I got “I don’t like Israel or Israelis they don’t deserve a country”.
The issue isn’t their views it’s their inability to back it up, I can ask over and over why? And I will always get “cause that’s just what I think” or similar.

Im not saying I agree explicitly with stepdaughters views, I don’t, but I respect her ability to back them up and explain her perspective and if I disagree she will listen and debate it respectfully.

I get the impression it might be quite exhausting to be a member of your family. Having to debate and justify every utterance with a mother who is 'interested'.

I've never had kids but I have been a daughter. When I was a late teen/young adult, I just wanted my mum to be my harbour, not someone constantly challenging me and seeking intellectual debate on all the subjects of the day, some of which I would have found really upsetting (mass bombings of civilians).

Every family is different of course, but perhaps your daughters just want a mum who is a safe space for them to talk about their dates and suchlike - even if you do find their level of chat vacuous and inane. You're their mum - not someone they should feel they need to impress or intellectually stimulate.

You are not your step-daughter's mother and it sounds like she barely knows you, so easier for her to debate X/Y/Z dispassionately because you will never fill that role for her.

Chiconbelge · 22/05/2025 08:18

If my young adult children found me hanging on the words of a new stepsister while she talks about Annie Ernoux they would react by doubling down on the Tik Tok talk and it would give them a lot of pleasure to do so - but it wouldn’t stop them from feeling under-estimated by me.

If every time you talk about Gaza you put down the views they express and accuse them of getting them from Tik Tok, they aren’t going to respond by humbly asking you for a reading list.

Don’t forget they will be very able to read you and they will know already what you are thinking and feeling. This won’t be going on just in your head or here on MN. I’d focus a bit more on your communications with them - just because you love them doesn’t mean that they don’t need your good opinion.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/05/2025 08:16

Sounds like you enjoy debates in your home OP, most people don't.
Stepdaughter is probably just being polite while hoping that you find a hobby.

thepariscrimefiles · 22/05/2025 08:15

You sound as though you have a crush on your step-daughter. She is more wordly and cosmopolitan than your own daughters and you seem quite in awe of her. I have met friends in the past where we immediately click and have a quite intense friendship. However, these friendships are very different to my relationships with my adult children, for whom I feel a visceral love, even when they annoy me or we disagree on political issues

It is really unfair to make comparisons between her and your own daughters, who are the products of your upbringing. They are still young and will mature once they have left home.

I hope your daughters don't pick up on what sounds rather like disdain for the simplicity of their views which you view as uninformed and immature.

mrsmiggins78 · 22/05/2025 08:15

It can only be a good thing for your to grow to love your step-daughter. This isn't a zero-sum game and it doesn't mean you love your own daughters less. Once the shine is off your step-daughter you may find yourself swinging back the other way.

You have nothing to feel guilty about and you are clearly trying very hard not to overstep any sort of mark. Just keep doing what you're doing. Each of them will take what they need from you and your own daughters still have a lot of growing up to do. Just wait.

Tbrh · 22/05/2025 08:13

Well you're allowed to like other people and their company. It's not like you don't love your children or love them any less. I think you're overthinking it OP. I'm sure other parents admire other children too, and even might get a pang of envy sometimes

Clariey · 22/05/2025 08:11

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That’s a conversation I’ll happily have with them when they can tell me why they disagree with a two state solution. When I asked why I got “I don’t like Israel or Israelis they don’t deserve a country”.
The issue isn’t their views it’s their inability to back it up, I can ask over and over why? And I will always get “cause that’s just what I think” or similar.

Im not saying I agree explicitly with stepdaughters views, I don’t, but I respect her ability to back them up and explain her perspective and if I disagree she will listen and debate it respectfully.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/05/2025 08:10

I don't think there is any harm on enjoying your stepdaughter, don't make comparisons between them.

Somewhere along the way, you have enabled your daughters in the life they lead.
I can see it happening with my niece, aged 9, she has the latest trends in face creams, My Sister her mum, mentions Instagram daily.

I don't do SM, my DD isn't interested either, she reads books, (I don't) we have interestingly chats, she can become defensive on issues more acceptable to her generation. I respect that.

she isn't perfect but she is very different from the average 16 y. o.

Butchyrestingface · 22/05/2025 08:10

Well, this is certainly a departure from the usual raft of 'I hate my step-daughter' threads we've had for the last while.

I read your OP wondering what all three girls would say about YOU, if asked, @Clariey. Grin

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ForFunGoose · 22/05/2025 08:06

I am the same with ds and his friends!
He was not an easy teen and I’m a bit battle weary from it. My hope is when he moves out and we establish a better adult relationship things will improve.

I think your feelings are perfectly normal OP

Pricelessadvice · 22/05/2025 08:06

I hate to say it, but a lot of young adults from the UK are like your daughters. They’ve been bought up on social media and just regurgitate what they’ve heard in the media.

Clariey · 22/05/2025 08:04

Ankleblisters · 22/05/2025 08:00

I want to meet your step daughter and chat to her too. She sounds really interesting. I would also be really happy if you could pass on some of those book recommendations please OP.

I think people mature at different ages - they may well mature in equally interesting people who you can have just as satisfying a convo with. They might just need to get off tik tok first.

I listed some earlier but
Annie Ernoux - A woman’s Story, The years, Simple Passions and The Happening
Natalia Ginzburg - All of them really but particularly The Dry Heart, The Road to the City and Family Lexicons
Marguerite Duras - Lover
Leila Slimani - Sex and Lies
Fleur Jaeggy - Sweet Days of Discipline

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Calliopespa · 22/05/2025 08:02

Clariey · 22/05/2025 04:06

I did start with saying they are intelligent, kind and funny and I am very very proud of them.

You are right I probably don’t see the bad sides of my step-daughter as often. I don’t think she is happy or at least not as happy as my daughters. She seems to be permanently upset about something, the world is never quite to her likening, her standards and expectations are always very high but that’s the only flaw I ever really see. I’m sure there are more but we don’t have a mother daughter relationship and I’m still getting to know her.

You may be in the honeymoon phase with her op.

But maybe try to turn this into a positive maternal thing by using what you admire about her to influence your interactions with your DDs . They are still young and forming. Perhaps take this as the impetus to redouble your efforts in exposing them to broader horizons and more rigorous thought processes.

They sound like much of MN btw! 🤭 Especially the defensiveness when challenged. Is everyone they know either a narc, pass agg or busily asserting their boundaries? 🙄 Maybe de-personalise this a little and look at it as cultural. I think we do have a real issue with a reductive, defensive, mindless, online pseudo-psychology generation . Perhaps what you are noticing is the impact of your dsd having grown up a bit more distant from this, rather than anything intrinsic in your girls. I’d start rescuing them now!!

MyOliveHelper · 22/05/2025 08:01

What's funny is that you don't think your stepdaughter is as influenced by whoever she admires as your kids are. Very few people have original thoughts. They just say what they think they should say. They like what films theyre told to like, they like the music theyre told to like. I'd rather be friends with someone who was fine telling people they like Taylor Swift, than someone who has to pretend to like some obscure band who don't even have proper lyrics to their songs.

Ankleblisters · 22/05/2025 08:00

I want to meet your step daughter and chat to her too. She sounds really interesting. I would also be really happy if you could pass on some of those book recommendations please OP.

I think people mature at different ages - they may well mature in equally interesting people who you can have just as satisfying a convo with. They might just need to get off tik tok first.