I want to eat meat after 10 years of vegetarianism/veganism

It’s difficult tbh because non meat eaters have so many varying views.

My grandad had a farm with roaming chickens and cockerels. We would take the eggs into the barn and shine a light under them to make sure they weren’t fertilised. If they weren’t we ate them because as you say they are going to be laid anyway and Im used to this thought process
So In my opinion as long as the chickens aren’t killed once they stop laying and are allowed to live out their lives freely then I don’t see what’s wrong with eggs.
The problem comes when male babies are born as they are crushed alive for animal feed. So again as long as the producers don’t do this and leave all the chickens to live a nice life I’m fine.

This doesn’t happen with any of the free range chickens lives at supermarkets.

Small local producers like your lady nearby may be different

What reason did your friend give. I’m assuming they explained.

Can you answer the egg question for me please?

I only eat actual free range eggs, there is a lady in the next village who sells them and her chickens really are free range and cute as hell. But that is still wrong according to a (fish finings beer drinking) vegan I know. I disagree as the eggs are going to be laid anyway. What is your view?

Asked with respect and purely out of curiosity.

Which is why I said most avoid it in my experience, but palm oil will be mainly found in non vegan products and used to feed the animals that meat eaters eat.

I’m always baffled that so many meat eaters are outraged about orangutans but couldn’t give a shit about cows, pigs and chickens.

Anyway, I’m not debating it. I’m never convinced about the motives of such threads and even when vegans post reasonably on them, they get called preachy so I tend to stay away on the whole.

I suppose it depends if they are the dictating type. If they are then I agree.
Just as they would be if they wore leather or bought leather furniture.

If they aren’t and they keep their opinions to themselves then if they chose not to eat animals but drink wine with fish finings then that’s the line they have decided to draw.

Each to their own. I’m very much of the opinion every little helps.

But morally it is a vegan issue. If one becomes vegan for ethical reasons, as most do, then it should surely be considered as bad as dairy, for example? I know several "vegans" who will cheerfully get pissed on non vegan wine or beer, but then lecture about eating meat or dairy which is hypocrisy at its finest.

Agree.
Its all about awareness and checking the label. No one needs to eat these foods that contain ingredients such as palm oil.

the more recent food stuffs on the shelves for vegans and vegetarians has some issues re production and effects on the environment. These foods, however, are mainly pushing the flexitarian idea. An attempt at copying the flavours of animals to get more people to eat less meat.

Traditional old style non meat eaters don’t necessarily eat these. They weren’t around when I stopped eating animals in 1980 so I’m very much a veg and lentils type consumer. The same for religions and cultures around the world

So perhaps we need to reduce the number of upf plant based foods and go back to making meals using the raw ingredients ourselves. In fact that would be a good idea for all readymade type meals and foodstuffs

I don’t really want to be drawn into an a vegan vs meat eater thing, but palm oil isn’t really a vegan issue as such. It’s in plenty of non vegan foods and is used in animal feed. Most vegans I know avoid palm oil anyway.

That’s horrible of people to hassle your kids

Two of mine are veggie and one a pescatarian ( they were brought up as pescatarians. ) They never experienced any hassle ever.
Hopefully yours rise above it.

So you are ok with eating Orangutans into extinction, given the amount of palm oil in products that so many vegans eat/use?

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@Iwantasteak

I posted this on the other thread you mentioned. About the couple who went back to meat after 20 ish years veggie and one of them had a bad digestive reaction as his body had forgotten how to process it. So bearing that in mind I would start small.

Dont go full on with a massive steak!

Reintroduce the veggie diet over the vegan diet. Then start with simple recipes containing meat (home made veg and chicken soup for example) rather than actual cuts. Also, fish is apparently easier to reintroduce than meat. So maybe go with the tuna jacket (good choice, my favourite!) and see how that goes. Might be worth seeing a nutritionist who has experience of this for advice.

You realise the farming involved in producing food for vegan and vegetarian diets is horrific for wildlife don't you?
If everyone went high and mighty about it then the outcome would be horrific for the planet.
And are we getting rid of dogs/cats etc? As there's no longer really the habitats for them to exist naturally due to humans.**

So eat meat. Dietary preferences are not personality.

Noones likely to care at all, unless they're personally vegetarian for moral reasons. Diet isn't part of someone's personality.

All the more reason to make choices that minimise deaths not just throw your hands up and say death is unavoidable so it doesn't matter how many deaths are caused.

Every food choice involves death at some level.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36550xx50yo

Cranswick is the largest supplier of pork in the UK - so probably where most of the pork you eat comes from - certainly most of the pork sold in supermarkets.

This is the reality - there is no ethical consumption -

The undercover footage "shows workers holding piglets by their hind legs and slamming them to the ground, using a banned method of killing the animals known as "piglet thumping".

So when you say "it's no one business what you eat!" that judging meat eaters is "preachy" this is what you are supporting when you buy and consume meat.

Interesting link in thread about genetics and vegetarianism.
i was one for 8 years & instinctively wanted to eat it again. Heavy periods on iron supplements wasn’t cutting it. I figured out myself I can’t be one even though my friend is healthy as a veggie.
I felt incredibly good within a few weeks and months- like super powered indefatigable and mood boosted. One word of warning though it took a good couple of years to have the right amount of enzymes for digesting a fillet steak . I would vom up undigested steak hours later in the night . No horrible odour of vom or anything just the steak ! All other meat was fine including minced steak.

Why??

I went vegetarian in primary school and stuck with it until I was 30 when DS was born. I switched back to meat and haven't looked back (he's 8 years old now) I just suddenly had an overwhelming urge to eat meat and wanted to make sure my DS had as varied a diet as possible, including family dinners. It's honestly been the best decision and I really dont think anyone else cared or even noticed the change. No one commented on it other than in passing.

I might ask you if you regretted all the years without meat having gone back to it, just out of genuine interest but I’m not a judge person, I’m very much ‘whatever’ when it comes to what other people do.

Well then you're not the kind of person people would like to know anyway.

Judge away in your self righteous lonely corner.

I know someone who was vegan and now eats meat after becoming a farmer! I didn't judge her - I was interested in why, because I'd only met people who changed from meat eater/vegetarian to vegan rather than vice versa. We had a very interesting conversation about it.

Personally veganism really really doesn't suit my body. If I don't eat meat or fish at least a few times a week I quickly feel exhausted (and I do eat nuts, leafy greens etc). I don't think it's for everyone.

I was vegetarian for 12 years, from 16-28. Then I ate a steak and it was delicious. No issues reintroducing meat into my diet. No one commented. I eat red meat once or twice a week, and have a mixture of chicken or fish or veggie on other days. It’s nice to have the flexibility and as I’m probably peri menopausal I keep my protein levels high.

Going against the grain here but I would (silently) judge you.