Gender ideology is toxic and creates divisions

I agree. It's all about the 'gotcha' here and making out trans identity is about somehow being broken or deluded. As much as I struggle to get my head around it, that doesn't align with the people I know who are pretty normal and just for whatever reason feel better with some degree of transition and are getting on with their lives.

If she changed her name by deed poll would you still refuse to call them their new name?

Well you’ll get loads of people on mumsnet who agree with you.

Personally I don’t. I have relationships with three trans people and all are so much happier these days now they are recognised by their family and friends as the gender they feel comfortable with.

The world is full of differing viewpoints.

So Grin is old enough to be mocked by adults but too young to choose their own name?

How old is this child?

But words generally have a meaning that makes sense. ‘Cis’ doesn’t achieve that.

‘Grin’ is clearly a person desperately craving attention. Sad.

You may have missed the fact that the (self declared, specific incorrect pronouns demanded) ‘identity’ IS the ideology.

Teenagers have always experimented and tried on different personas as they grow up - just look at goths or punks or mods. They enjoy being part of an identifiable group and winding the older generation up.

The difference with gender ideology being that ‘identity’ is now being wielded as power over others - blackmailing parents into indulging their demands with threats of suicide, castigating elderly grandparents who don’t understand the demand for ungrammatical or sex inappropriate pronouns, demanding that schoolmates remember a daily changing rotation of preferred pronouns (yes, at the peak of this madness, some schools indulged the special kids with coloured wristbands to indicate the preferred identity of the day - some police forces still do this with their officers who have different id cards for different ‘identities’).

I mentioned earlier about the girl on TikTok furious that her mum got a double mastectomy before her elective surgery. Her mum had breast cancer. The narcissism that this movement enables and cheers kn if off the scale.

These kids need adults to be adults and not indulge their ‘pronoun’ demands or agree that normal rules of humanity don’t apply to them.

Parents can provide unwavering support by setting boundaries and telling them the truth. I get that some parents are battling those bad actors indoctrinating their kids and trying to drive a wedge and they have to tread carefully but truth has to be at the heart of their relationship.

"There are children called things like Olive and Miles."

Those are clearly the names given by the parents.

"Grin is pretty inoffensive IMO."

That really isn't the point. In that particular case I believe the name given at birth was "Molly Jessica"

If you had named your daughter "Molly Jessica" how would you feel if she insisted that you refer to her as a boy named "Grin"?

Although, in that particular case, the parents have gone full on affirming and do indeed refer to their daughter as their son.

"There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis."

I'm old enough to remember this. I was 16 when Kirsty MacColl sang this on Top of the Pops

<suddenly realises how off-topic this is and goes back to my cave>

We know from research that calling a child a new name and different pronouns is not a neutral act. It’s worth looking at the Cass review if you haven’t already. Also some of the clinicians who were working at the Tavistock have spoken out about this.

I'm just not that angry. Sorry to disappoint.

It’s like the cultural revolution in China.

Of course you’ve talked about coerced speech. You claimed it wasn’t coerced speech. That’s you talking about it. And now you’re lying about talking about it.

But as usual it’s just lies, lies and more lies when the ideology you espouse is a house of cards built on sand.

Conversations go on different tangents on threads. Language will always come up on gender ones and indeed the OP has talked about language several times.

Of course it is! It's horrifying, and I can guarantee you the majority of trans people feel the same.

But this thread is about OP her child and Reddit. Not rapists.

@Ddakji

You've told me my belief system is evil. That I've talked about coercion (I didn't). I didn't mention rapists or courts or the ruling.

Too extreme for me.

🙄🙄🙄

I kimd of agree

I think gender ideology is regressive. Why do girls' Tshirts have butterflies abd boys' Tshirts have dinosaurs? And, if I buy theatre tickets, why does the ticket company need to know if I'm male or female?

But, also think (1) we are male or female and (2) "they" is plural not singular

So, I could get on board with Mx but not "they". And then I feel bit hypocritical

What extreme am I going to? That poster and I are talking about language. She claims it’s not coerced when it absolutely is. I mean, I think it’s extreme to tell a female victim of rape she has to refer to her male rapist as she because that what he demands.

You and I are talking about language. Is that conversation not going the way you want it to? Because you claim it’s not coerced when there’s evidence - in this instance from a court of law - that it absolutely is?

What is the Supreme Court ruling about if not the distortion of language that you support?

This is exactly what I mean. It is impossible to have any sort of conversation without people going into extremes.

TRA's are exactly the same.