Men DO NOT have right of way!

I was never "brought up to move aside"... Who taught you that? And who has taught men to "grow up expecting this"? Surely as 50% of a parenting team (and sadly often 100% of the parenting team!), we should be teaching our children of either sex that everyone is equal. We cannot blame "men" as an homogeneous blob of patriarchal expectation. My lovely husband certainly does not expect women to move out of his way, nor do any of my male friends or two male nephews!

I'm 45, fatter than I was when I was younger and I used to be much better looking back then🤣
Men used to hold doors open for me until I got to a certain age (or size?🤔) and then it's like you become invisible.
I think because they no longer find certain women (like me) as attractive, they just don't give a shit.
However, they'll fall over themselves for a 21 year old blond all eyelashes and beautiful.
It's sad they need that kind of motivation to be chivalrous.
I hold doors open for everyone. Men, women, young, old I just love manners and being polite and kind💖💖

I don't agree that patriarchy chicken" is a real thing- but hey that makes me sexist and misogynistic.

How did I dismiss your life experience?

So? You've just dismissed my life experience. Every time this ridiculous "patriarchy chicken" thread appears I make a point of testing if there is any truth to it- there isn't.

It's confirmation bias. The vast majority of people are perfectly capable of walking along a pavement making the minor adjustments needed to avoid walking into other people.

To be honest my "lived experience" says this is not unique to men.

I've had women in cars fail to give way to me as a pedestrian on a crossing and women in large cars barge their way past give way signs, wrong side of the road etc.

It's only lack of physical size that makes this less common on pavements etc

So?

That's the point. Women are generally brought up to move aside. Men grow up expecting this, and tend not yo move out of the way. If you stop moving out of the way (patriarchy ch8cken) then you realise how much men don't move aside and are surprised when women don't.

I'm a 66 year old woman.

I don't really understand this.
I just automatically move out of everyone's way as that is the polite thing to do.

Oh yes. Originates with the Charlotte Riley article I think.

Since getting older I have my shopping trolley. ANYONE coming directly at me ( prams and wheelchairs excepted) will see I am looking at the pavement immediately in front of the trolley and I keep going. The only time no-one moved was when I was in the local precinct and around 5 middle eastern men were laughing and talking, walking straight, side by side and everyone was moving out of their way. I kept a straight line looking at the end of the trolley and got right up to one of them and I just stood there completely still until he moved.
Well, one of us had to and it wasn't going to be me. 😁

I find this is dependent on location, not sex or age. In a certain northern city which prides itself on its friendliness, people just barge into you if you dare to be in their path.

It’s not ‘grown up’ to dismiss women’s lived experiences of being forced to give way as childish. It’s sexist and misogynistic.

No, but everyone could just behave like grown-ups. The vast majority of people, of both sexes, manage to navigate their way along pavements without any of this angst.

The vast majority of people do not bowl along their own fixed track , refusing to make any deviation because "why should they give way?".

It's not even a case of "giving way" as the vast majority of people , of both sexes, will simply make an unthinking, minor adjustment to avoid barging into someone.

There was a bump into you craze where I actually had to dodge young men. Generally I follow just behind a man in a crowd and it's like an ambulance clearing the way! If you look up at the sky people think you're crazy and avoid bumping into you! I still move around for the more entitled unless I have my dog with me having a good sniff and they are astounded when they have to move around us.

Gosh, people who think like that must be deeply flawed individuals. If I saw someone coming towards me looking unhappy I would assume they were perhaps in pain or struggling and certainly wouldnt try and barge into them.

Sounds like what men say to women ‘cheer up love, it may never happen’.

Women shouldn’t have to gurn at you to not be knocked over in the street.

Well, most advocates of patriarchy chicken don't exactly come across as the most balanced individuals. They invariably sound like they've got a whole sack of maris pipers on their shoulder. 🤣

Jeez. I could just as easily say that if you trip along daintily, grinning inanely at everyone, people will definitely clear a path for you. I mean, your assumption that older women get trampled on because they are invariably grumpy is a bit, well, ageist.

I don't think it's all about attractiveness like some seem to believe. I think it's more that if you stomp along with a scowl on your face people think "I'm not having this moody cow barge me out the way!". I'll often smile at strangers and amazingly I seem to have a lot of good interactions.

Well, to counter this, I was pleasantly surprised by the guy who moved out of my way in Tesco completely last night without me even having to do the mutual moving thing last night which I was about to do. I did say thank you.

I've noticed men standing super close in the queue. I have had the trolley nudging before but it's usually been older women.

I had a super close till man the other week. I was on the way back from the gym, my hair was tied in a ponytail and very sweaty. Did I swing my soggy ponytail into his face? Maybe.

Bridleways are included in the recent update as cyclists need to give way to horses on bridle paths in Rule H2.

Horses are now also expected to consider the most vulnerable road users (ie pedestrians) and give way to them under “those who can do the greatest harm have the greatest responsibility to reduce the danger or threat they may pose to others.”

a bridleway isn't the highway or included in the Highway Code - so where are you getting that pedestrian have priority on a bridleway?