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Why does society infantilise women so much?

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Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 18:50

Just that. Why does society do that?

When discussing age gap relationships, whenever there is an older man in the scenario, comments such as “vulnerable” and “girls” are often used. 21 year old girl or 27 year old girl for example. A girl is a child between the age of 8-13. A woman is a grown adult who is 18 and over. So why use this term? In terms of the word vulnerable, this can mean different things; someone who needs special care or could potentially be exposed to being attacked or harmed, physically or emotionally. Surely all people can be vulnerable not just women? At what age is it okay for a fully grown woman do have a consenting relationship with an older man? Completely understand that there are some men who will use his power to get into a relationship with a younger woman, but not all relationships are like this. And a man could do this to a woman at any age. We don’t view men in the same way. I doubt many people are saying a 27year old man is vulnerable for having a relationship with an older woman. Off topic, but relevant in which women and men are viewed differently. Female teachers who have had relationships with pupils and gone to prison. Lots of comments from men saying they “would love to have had a teacher like that” joking and blaming the boy for not keeping his mouth shut. Whilst you don’t see females making these comments about male teachers.

Women on social media using the phrases girl math, girl dinner, girl hammer, lazy girl jobs and hot girl summer. These can be regarded as harmless fun, a trend not meant to be taking seriously but surely it just highlights how women, not girls are viewed and plays right into the hand of misogyny. It just seems very patronising that we have spent years trying to fight the patriarchy to get us to be taking seriously and the phrases just perpetuate the stereotypes that women are useless children who are can’t look after themselves.

Grown women also say “out with the girls, drinks with the girlies, girls night out” when posting pictures on social media or even in just conversation. Why do we do this? Why is this so normal and accepted. Big girl pants on and big girl job are also phrases used yet I’ve never heard a man say I need to put my big boy pants on are someone else say they need to do that.

At what age do we start treating women like women?

YABU - no, women are not infantilised by society
YANBU - yes, women are infantilised by society.

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Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:42

Bubblebubblepoppop · 20/05/2025 20:40

Yes you've articulated this way better than I would have done. 'Out with the girls' is fine when men also use 'out with the boys' (although tbh I hear the term 'lads' more than 'boys' in these kind of contexts).

My number one hate in the whole 'girl' usage is GIRL BOSS. Why is being female a factor in being the boss? Why can't a female just be a boss without noting she's a girl? I have never heard the term boy boss!

The PP has a good point and I also agree with you in the term girl boss. No man has ever said boy boss. This goes back to misogyny. Also the word manageress. I hate. The term manager does not mean a male. It means someone who manages as their job.

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Eagle2025 · 20/05/2025 21:40

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:38

But why do you think women are always portrayed as the victim?

Because that's how a lot of women portray themselves or how a lot of women view being a woman. Does my head in.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:38

soupyspoon · 20/05/2025 20:26

Referring to yourself or other women as girls is a red herring about infantilisation.

I call myself a girl sometimes, its neither here nor there in terms of how society, this forum is a good example, will portray women a victims no matter what. A crime committed by a women, must have been vulnerable, desparate or led by a man. A violent woman? Must be struggling with MH or ND of some sort. An unhappy relationship, must be a victim of toxicity or being undermined or being controlled.

The list is endless.

But why do you think women are always portrayed as the victim?

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noworklifebalance · 20/05/2025 21:38

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:35

My old boss would say things like “have a good night girls” if he seen we were going out despite being three years younger than him. Never said that to the men. But agree about context

Yes, this is what I mean about using the term girls when there is a power imbalance

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:35

noworklifebalance · 20/05/2025 20:21

I generally abhor it when women are referred to as girls esp when there is a power imbalance, e.g. I’ll get the girls in the office to book us the meeting room.

but i definitely don’t mind in situations when men would use the word “boys” - girls/boys night out etc. Our builder refers to the guys that work for him as the boys when talking to us - “I’ll get the boys to move the rubble” etc.

I think context is key.

My old boss would say things like “have a good night girls” if he seen we were going out despite being three years younger than him. Never said that to the men. But agree about context

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Dullardduck · 20/05/2025 21:35

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 18:50

Just that. Why does society do that?

When discussing age gap relationships, whenever there is an older man in the scenario, comments such as “vulnerable” and “girls” are often used. 21 year old girl or 27 year old girl for example. A girl is a child between the age of 8-13. A woman is a grown adult who is 18 and over. So why use this term? In terms of the word vulnerable, this can mean different things; someone who needs special care or could potentially be exposed to being attacked or harmed, physically or emotionally. Surely all people can be vulnerable not just women? At what age is it okay for a fully grown woman do have a consenting relationship with an older man? Completely understand that there are some men who will use his power to get into a relationship with a younger woman, but not all relationships are like this. And a man could do this to a woman at any age. We don’t view men in the same way. I doubt many people are saying a 27year old man is vulnerable for having a relationship with an older woman. Off topic, but relevant in which women and men are viewed differently. Female teachers who have had relationships with pupils and gone to prison. Lots of comments from men saying they “would love to have had a teacher like that” joking and blaming the boy for not keeping his mouth shut. Whilst you don’t see females making these comments about male teachers.

Women on social media using the phrases girl math, girl dinner, girl hammer, lazy girl jobs and hot girl summer. These can be regarded as harmless fun, a trend not meant to be taking seriously but surely it just highlights how women, not girls are viewed and plays right into the hand of misogyny. It just seems very patronising that we have spent years trying to fight the patriarchy to get us to be taking seriously and the phrases just perpetuate the stereotypes that women are useless children who are can’t look after themselves.

Grown women also say “out with the girls, drinks with the girlies, girls night out” when posting pictures on social media or even in just conversation. Why do we do this? Why is this so normal and accepted. Big girl pants on and big girl job are also phrases used yet I’ve never heard a man say I need to put my big boy pants on are someone else say they need to do that.

At what age do we start treating women like women?

YABU - no, women are not infantilised by society
YANBU - yes, women are infantilised by society.

“A girl is a child between the age of 8-13. A woman is a grown adult who is 18 and over. “

what do you call them between 13 and 18?! And under 8?

confused!

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:32

HuffleMyPuffle · 20/05/2025 20:21

I agree that people, especially MN, have a terrible habit of infantalising women, especially when they can use it to make men look worse (namely to imply peadophilia)

But men will equally say they're "meeting the boys", "boys night out", "need to be a big boy".

I agree. It seems that a lot of these comments that post stuff like that think women are not capable of making an informed decision at 18. What age can you make an informed decision?

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WhySoManySocks · 20/05/2025 21:30

Currently reading “Girl on Girl” by Sophie Gilbert. It’s fascinating; it examines the 2000s and 2010s pop culture, art, fashion, and porn (hence the title) in their influences to each other, feminism, and power. The title is both a reference to increasing influence of porn on mainstream culture at the time and a comment on how the whole setup turned the women against each other.

What I found most interesting, as someone who is the same age as the author, is the examination of how the culture of the time (full of very visible very young women in music etc, but also obsessed with thinness, whiteness, sexuality but also purity and slut shaming) has taught us (as teens / young women at the time) what it means to be a woman.

This thread and the permanent MN jumping to defend calling 45 year olds “girls” is reminding me of that. Other MN trope that remind me of that is self hatered on the Style and Beauty board. (“Find me a dress but my arms are gross”, “I wax everything to feel fresh” etc).

u3ername · 20/05/2025 21:30

RedRosesAndGypsophelia · 20/05/2025 21:01

Oh dear, I had my first child before I was a biological adult....
He's turned out to be an absolutely awful human being, he works full time along side college as he wanted a trade, he's paying for his own driving lessons and saved up for a car - he also pays his board on time with no complaints. He volunteers with a local scout group making sure younger children get to have the opportunities he had.
Can we please, please stop with this bollocks about the brain not being fully formed until we are 25, if it made even the remotest difference we wouldn't be able to prosecute people as adults until they were 25! Does that sound good to you? Rapists and murderers walking free because they were 'only' 24 years and 10 months old at the time of the crime.....
I think we infantilise everyone in society these days, not just women!

Sentencing is already more lenient for people younger than 25 in many jurisdictions including the UK, as what pp said happens to be a proven fact. But of course, it will vary somewhat individually - well done for reaching maturity earlier than average!

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:29

Sofiewoo · 20/05/2025 20:14

What a weird group of pick me’s out to bash other women under the veil of “feminism”.

Charming!

How is it pick me to have an opinion on these things. Could say you appear to be a pick me.

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Hotflushesandchilblains · 20/05/2025 21:24

Some of it I find harmless, as much as I am a feminist. The girl thing I dont care about - plenty of men talk about going out with the boys.

However, while it is true that men can be vulnerable, systemic inequality, and societal expectations mean women are more likely to be in vulnerable positions than men.

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:20

Boredlass · 20/05/2025 19:35

Exactly. I see this all the time and there’s nothing wrong with it

I agree, men also say this. I think it’s more the fact that they aren’t boys/girls. When you say boy/girl night out it indicates something juvenile, when actually these people are adults.

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u3ername · 20/05/2025 21:20

Graham Norton posted a photo of himself on Instagram wearing a tshirt saying ‘Girls just want to have fundamental rights’. Obvs it’s referencing the song but couldn’t help myself commenting that ‘girls’ is infantilising. Also might have mentioned the damage of Trans Activism to women’s rights… 😬 I’ve been on here too long!

UsernameTalk · 20/05/2025 21:20

OurManyEnds · 20/05/2025 20:32

Look, we disagree, and that’s fine. I can’t be arsed being hectored by someone who wants an explanation of why cartoons are for kids.

🙄so I can't enjoy watching Disney after I turn 12? Bet you think video games are also just for children too?

TakingHavenInTescoExpress · 20/05/2025 21:17

Wigtopia · 20/05/2025 21:09

Don’t get me started on women’s knickers with the tiny bow at the front! WHY?!

Presumably our tiny female brains could not, without this assistance, work out which way to put the garment on.

Bubblebubblepoppop · 20/05/2025 21:16

HuffleMyPuffle · 20/05/2025 20:49

Because it's the slang of the time...

It does mean a confident women. But "Confident Woman" doesn't look as good on the teeshirt

Well, in that case I'd argue Boy Boss looks better on a tshirt than Girl Boss. It's alliterative. Why is Boy Boss not the 'slang of the time'?

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:16

SoeurFayre · 20/05/2025 19:36

I agree with you. I cannot bear when women speak in a baby voice or describe themselves as "only little". I am in my 50's, my DD in her her 20's and we both know contemporaries who do both of these things. I would say, ime, women are the worst offenders to themselves.

I cannot imagine my male contemporaries describing themselves as "only little" or infantilising themselves voluntarily.

Absolutely.

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Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:14

ToKittyornottoKitty · 20/05/2025 19:33

It’s just as common to see ‘boys night out’ and ‘out with the boys’ in the context you have described.

Agree, when you use it in the same context as gurus night out etc. However I would say it’s different when you’re saying the girl math, girl dinner. Men told say that.

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StMarie4me · 20/05/2025 21:10

RogueMandible · 20/05/2025 18:56

I’m a 52 year old feminist who spent the late eighties fighting for abortion rights. I can assure you that I neither address other adult women as ‘girls’ or refer to myself as one. I don’t think I know anyone who does, unless they’re being heavily ironic. I lost my virginity aged 18 to a man in his mid-40s. It was my idea. I wasn’t exploited. I was as tough as any young woman needed to be if she hauled herself out of an impoverished home by virtue of stubbornness.

You could be me! Only I’m 10 years older.
I do call my lifelong friends “The Girls from School” because that’s what we were when we met. But that’s it!

Wigtopia · 20/05/2025 21:09

OurManyEnds · 20/05/2025 19:41

It bothers me with clothes; so much of women’s clothing in shops has Disney characters or cutesy slogans or frills or rainbows and shit. No guy goes about wearing a Disney Tshirt.

Don’t get me started on women’s knickers with the tiny bow at the front! WHY?!

Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:08

Anditsherewegoagain · 20/05/2025 19:30

It absolutely infuriates me the way so many women refer to themselves as " girls".
It's just colluding with societies view that women aren't actually fully functioning adults.
I've had quite a few run-ins on threads in MN because I question OPs as to why they are infantalising themselves and their friends by calling referring to themselves as " girls".

What did they say?

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Youstolemygoddamnhouse · 20/05/2025 21:07

RogueMandible · 20/05/2025 18:56

I’m a 52 year old feminist who spent the late eighties fighting for abortion rights. I can assure you that I neither address other adult women as ‘girls’ or refer to myself as one. I don’t think I know anyone who does, unless they’re being heavily ironic. I lost my virginity aged 18 to a man in his mid-40s. It was my idea. I wasn’t exploited. I was as tough as any young woman needed to be if she hauled herself out of an impoverished home by virtue of stubbornness.

I have actually used the phrase girls, like going out with them. But stopped in my early 20s. I think it was more habit/what everyone else said at the time. Have friends that still use it and I honestly just cringe. I don’t think if they even know why we should stop using it.

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ThrowAway987654321 · 20/05/2025 21:04

@Eagle2025theres a brilliant podcast called Lucky Boy about just this. Really worth a listen.

RedRosesAndGypsophelia · 20/05/2025 21:01

Hulabalu · 20/05/2025 20:16

Apparently brains not fully developed til age 25. I think that is biologically officially adult ?

Oh dear, I had my first child before I was a biological adult....
He's turned out to be an absolutely awful human being, he works full time along side college as he wanted a trade, he's paying for his own driving lessons and saved up for a car - he also pays his board on time with no complaints. He volunteers with a local scout group making sure younger children get to have the opportunities he had.
Can we please, please stop with this bollocks about the brain not being fully formed until we are 25, if it made even the remotest difference we wouldn't be able to prosecute people as adults until they were 25! Does that sound good to you? Rapists and murderers walking free because they were 'only' 24 years and 10 months old at the time of the crime.....
I think we infantilise everyone in society these days, not just women!

Eagle2025 · 20/05/2025 20:55

RobinHeartella · 20/05/2025 20:42

Yes or 14-17

Yes I was wondering that too 🤣 what's inbetween girl and woman for those few precise years 🤦‍♀️

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