To think it’s actually really unfair to be charged for bank holidays at nursery?

Yes EVERYONE paid for those holidays. This has been explained multiple times throughout the post.

The op is complaining as ONLY Monday parents are having to pay for bank holidays as that's their child's day to attend. it's not split evenly between everyone, even though they are the only ones missing out on childcare the BH's when the nursery is closed.

So essentially, Monday children are missing up to 8 days of childcare even though they are paying for the same amount as everyone else.

Why is this so hard for so many people to comprehend on here.

It really annoyed me that we still had to pay for my daughter’s nursery when it was closed, especially when it closed for two weeks randomly in the summer. I see the logic though and they’d get the money out of us some way though. It’s also not like you can pay less for insurance or the gym (for example) if you end up not driving or working out for a day.

No, they have answered. They’re not saying staff shouldn’t be paid for bank holidays, they are saying that the cost of bank holidays shouldn’t fall only on the shoulders of parents with children attending on Mondays. (Their original post wasn’t worded amazingly well).

Oh, and suggesting that the only sort of ‘fun time’ is ‘family fun time’ is not only rather regressive but it would mean that all families would have to be one child families…

This!

which I’ve noted the OP has failed to answer 🤔

Because sometimes adults need time away from their children- and equally children often need some time away from their parents!
Often people send children to grandparents or relatives for a day or so to have a break, or manage to get around to those house hold chores and DIY projects that never seem to happen with kids around.
my partner and I have taken leave on a few occasions when our child is in nursery. It’s great. We’ve mostly just got on with household jobs and admin that’s been piling up, but we’ve also had a day here and there to do things just us.
Looking after ourselves and our house and our relationship is just as vital to our child’s wellbeing as time with them.
Suggesting that parents who might want to do things separately are some how bad parents and shouldn’t have had children is both rather odd and just a tad horrid.

I think you’re probably being unreasonably attacked here, as actually the point you are really making is slightly different from how you worded it. The question is not whether or not it’s unfair to be charged for bank holidays (as others have pointed out, staff need to be paid and it has to come from somewhere); you question really is: is it not unfair that the parents of children who attend on Mondays (and some Fridays) have to pay while those who attend on other days do not? Can it not be run equitably? The answer to that is absolutely it is and you should write to the Nursery provider and ask why they cannot spread the cost of bank holidays and charge all parents appropriately.

That's life unfortunately. My friends child was sick for 9 full weeks during the creche year and still had to pay. In my creche we paid for easter , christmas and summer holidays. It's a huge thing leaving your child with other people and they deserve proper compensation for that role. There are very little profits from creches, staff are overworked and underpaid for the time and effort they put in.

The cost if childcare is exorbitant. They pay employed staff minimum wage. Their overheads can be high, but they cut every corner to it's minimum. Leaving huge profits for the Nursery Owners. Yes we pay for shop staff's holidays, hospital workers holidays either via taxes or in what you buy and pay for. But in thus and any other "care situation" the owners of these businesses know the paying customers are over a barrel for approx 5 years, until the child enters full time education. Most families want the income from both parents to fulfill the costs if living they lifestyle they demand, so that's the price you hacmve to pay. If you are prepared to down grade look after your own children you risk the chance of not getting back into your chosen profession or having to start off again at a lower grade or switch professions even. And all offerings will be at a .uch reduced salary than when you got pregnant. Even employers will think again and again over employing parents of child bearing ages. Should they invest time and money into employees who may one day walk away because their "ideal family" life is calling. As the say you pick your choice. Ideally I suppose you train in child care, you have your own children ensuring that your premises etc are up to scratch to take in additional children. Payments stay in your pockets. You then become the "owner" of a child care establishment and make big bucks while laying in the sun with your own children growing up nicely in private schools paid for by your businesses profits.

So where would the money come from to pay them?

It must depend on nursery if ours is closed on a bank hol we don’t pay if open like last bank hol then child goes in

Do you get the BH's off @bouncinround ?

I think the cost of staff for bank holidays should be spread over all customers not just ones who use the nursery on Mondays.

I can't get over how many people think this is a good system.

Of course staff get paid for bank holidays, but that should be factored into the overall fees the nursery charges - the same as the annual leave and sick pay the staff are entitled to be paid for.

You would expect to see a small increase in the day rate spread across everyone to cover these overheads.

That is why I worked Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday! I'm not paying for Bank Holidays at nursery.

I begrudged this too. I went PT with Mondays off to resolve this.

Also, I think this is particularly obvious when nurseries issue an itemised bill and there date is listed there, perhaps with a ‘consumables’ or lunch charge too. That’s when it really grates. Where nurseries split the bill in to 12 equal installments I bet fewer people complain as it isn’t as obvious!

The same way as they get paid when taking the other 20 days per year statutory holiday.

Incorporating it into a daily rate means the cost gets split across ALL parents using the nursery, not disproportionate to those attending on Mondays.

I agree that it is unfair. especially if you have a child that only goes certain days. Those who go on Mondays miss out massively. The nursery my two went to did not charge for bank holidays.

Staff holidays should be incorporated into the daily charge. And lots of people do not get paid for bank holidays. Myself included when I used a nursery.

mine too. But, I wonder if the reason Mondays in particular are so unpopular is the bank holiday issue - it’s 3 days in about 5 weeks this year! Maybe if they didn’t charge for BH they’d find Mondays were more popular for attendance. (Low Friday attendance - well, who wants to work a Friday 😂 think this is universal and not BH related. even when my daughters ASC had no availability any other day there were always loads of spaces on a Friday!)

I’ve never had to use a nursery for my dcs and I’m suprised that you would be charged for bank holidays when they are not open! I agree the staff costs should be factored into the overheads or split fairly between all customers. Not a direct bill to the Monday users. I work in retail and although we don’t get a paid day off, we do get a bank holiday premium for working. The company does not raise their prices specifically on that day though to be able to pay the bank holiday staff their extra pay. Could you imagine popping into your local supermarket and paying an extra 25% for your loaf of bread on bank holiday Monday just because the staff are being paid a little extra? It’s the company policy to give paid time off to the nursery workers so they should factor that cost in somewhere else

There's always one mummy martyr on a thread like this. I regularly take an annual leave day from work and keep my toddler in nursery to get a day to myself! Having a day to yourself to prevent burnout or using it is as couple time is actually good parenting in my book. Goes with the saying "can't pour from an empty cup".

Are you just so bad at math you can’t imagine how the nursery could calculate the cost of bank holidays and roll it into the day rate for everyone to cover?

Im completely with you OP. Staff should be paid for bank holidays but that burden should be funded more equally across parents rather than be funded only by parents who use childcare on Mondays. Its bullshit to pay for a service you dont receive. Im using a childminder instead of nursery now and don't have to pay for bank holidays, much better!